ATI caught with it's pants down?

[jhbball]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
Another display of fanboyism.

When will it end?

Let me find that Voodoo5 somewhere and put it in a glass box 🙂

well, apparently, it's not going to end with these crappy threads.

you 'contributed' to it. 😛

:roll:

type more. please.

 

[Genx87]

Besides the obvious bias which is expected in an editorial. He does hit on a few issues with ATI. Basically they have been resting on their laurels.

And in all reality they really werent being pushed by nvidia. It is obvious the 6800 series caught them off guard big time. I have a feeling they really believed the 6800NU was going to be Nvidias next generation card. And if you look at it the X800 Pro was going to compete against it. But when the 6800 GT and Ultra were announced with 16 pipes it sent ATI into a tizzy. At first I never would have expected either company to take until August for anykind of reasonable supply to show up. But their 16 pipe card is basically non-existent. I cant even blame the lack of GDDR-3 on this.

I think what happened was they probably designed a 16 pipe card but not for the clock speeds advertised. They probably figured the X800 Pro will suffice until the fall refresh and then they could finish Nvidia off and get higher yields. Instead they had to rush the thing out unprepared and thus have terrible yields on high speed 16 pipe parts.

GDDR-3 shortages alone cant account for the utter lack of X800XT-PEs in the channel.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: jhbball

Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
Another display of fanboyism.

When will it end?

Let me find that Voodoo5 somewhere and put it in a glass box 🙂

well, apparently, it's not going to end with these crappy threads.

you 'contributed' to it. 😛

:roll:

type more. please.

type less . . . please

:roll:

Originally posted by: Genx87
Besides the obvious bias which is expected in an editorial. He does hit on a few issues with ATI. Basically they have been resting on their laurels.

GDDR-3 shortages alone cant account for the utter lack of X800XT-PEs in the channel.

ATI's lack of foresight - the same shortsightedness nVidia had with nv30 - is to blame. 😉

And ATI's "marketing" is pure FUD and BS now. 😛

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: fsstrike
"I know where my money will be going, and an X800 seems like money badly spent if you don't plan on buying an new card every three months. "

So, by reading that article, you fully agree that buying an x800 (pro/xt) will call for an upgrade in 3 months? Think about it really hard.

You know what, I think he is right. The X800 XTPE ONLY gets 60FPS @ 1600x1200 4xAA 8xAF in Farcry SM3.0? Not sure about you, but I think that is REALLY BAD. 60FPS is almost unplayable. 3 months? I cant wait 3 months, I need to upgrade NOW because my x800 is a POS!

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2102&p=5

No... the x800 XTPE gets 0, yes ZERO, FPS @ 1600x1200 4XAA 8XAF in Far Cry SM3.0. Why? Because ATi cards don't support SM3.0 😀

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
ATi should just pull out of the graphics business and cut their losses. :roll: They have no cards that can even play games. Maybe Matrox can challenge the newly omnipresent Nvidia. :roll: Ati should just stick with the crappy shuttle mobos. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Zephyr

You're a "The glass is half empty" type of person, aren't you. 😛

As opposed to "ATI stole half of my water" type of person? Grinning, Ducking, Running. 😉

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
ATi should just pull out of the graphics business and cut their losses. :roll: They have no cards that can even play games. Maybe Matrox can challenge the newly omnipresent Nvidia. :roll: Ati should just stick with the crappy shuttle mobos. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Zephyr

You're a "The glass is half empty" type of person, aren't you. 😛

As opposed to "ATI stole half of my water" type of person? Grinning, Ducking, Running. 😉

*Lathers up in flame retardent gel*

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
ATi should just pull out of the graphics business and cut their losses. :roll: They have no cards that can even play games. Maybe Matrox can challenge the newly omnipresent Nvidia. :roll: Ati should just stick with the crappy shuttle mobos. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Zephyr

You're a "The glass is half empty" type of person, aren't you. 😛

As opposed to "ATI stole half of my water" type of person? Grinning, Ducking, Running. 😉

*Lathers up in flame retardent gel*

somebody's sarcasm meter is broke. 😛

:roll:

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
ATi should just pull out of the graphics business and cut their losses. :roll: They have no cards that can even play games. Maybe Matrox can challenge the newly omnipresent Nvidia. :roll: Ati should just stick with the crappy shuttle mobos. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Zephyr

You're a "The glass is half empty" type of person, aren't you. 😛

As opposed to "ATI stole half of my water" type of person? Grinning, Ducking, Running. 😉

*Lathers up in flame retardent gel*

Vasoline isn't flame retardant...

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
ATi should just pull out of the graphics business and cut their losses. :roll: They have no cards that can even play games. Maybe Matrox can challenge the newly omnipresent Nvidia. :roll: Ati should just stick with the crappy shuttle mobos. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Zephyr

You're a "The glass is half empty" type of person, aren't you. 😛

As opposed to "ATI stole half of my water" type of person? Grinning, Ducking, Running. 😉

*Lathers up in flame retardent gel*

somebody's sarcasm meter is broke. 😛

:roll:

Yeah, I completely missed that he made a joke :roll:

Grinning? Ducking? Running? Because....

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Vasoline isn't flame retardant...

AHHHHHHH! OH GOD! AUGHHHHH!!! IT BURNS! GETITOFFGETITOFFGETITOFF!!!!



OHHHH SWEET JESUS! OH, KILL ME NOW!!!!



*runs off flaming into the sunset, consequently and ironically only making things worse*

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
ATi should just pull out of the graphics business and cut their losses. :roll: They have no cards that can even play games. Maybe Matrox can challenge the newly omnipresent Nvidia. :roll: Ati should just stick with the crappy shuttle mobos. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Zephyr

You're a "The glass is half empty" type of person, aren't you. 😛

As opposed to "ATI stole half of my water" type of person? Grinning, Ducking, Running. 😉

LOL :beer:

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: gsellis

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
ATi should just pull out of the graphics business and cut their losses. :roll: They have no cards that can even play games. Maybe Matrox can challenge the newly omnipresent Nvidia. :roll: Ati should just stick with the crappy shuttle mobos. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Zephyr

You're a "The glass is half empty" type of person, aren't you. 😛

As opposed to "ATI stole half of my water" type of person? Grinning, Ducking, Running. 😉

*Lathers up in flame retardent gel*

somebody's sarcasm meter is broke. 😛

:roll:

Yeah, I completely missed that he made a joke :roll:

Grinning? Ducking? Running? Because....

T'was. But if it was flammable, it would be Dropping, Rolling, Moaning. 😉

The only reason I every wanted to race a Pinto was so I could have the bumper sticker, "Hit me, I am wearing Nomex!"

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Vasoline isn't flame retardant...

AHHHHHHH! OH GOD! AUGHHHHH!!! IT BURNS! GETITOFFGETITOFFGETITOFF!!!!



OHHHH SWEET JESUS! OH, KILL ME NOW!!!!



*runs off flaming into the sunset, consequently and ironically only making things worse*

now you're "flaming"?

:Q

i'm sure you can find someone to frag your @ss.

😀



:roll:


*PS: Vasoline claims to be good for "burns" 😉

:roll:

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Vasoline isn't flame retardant...

AHHHHHHH! OH GOD! AUGHHHHH!!! IT BURNS! GETITOFFGETITOFFGETITOFF!!!!



OHHHH SWEET JESUS! OH, KILL ME NOW!!!!



*runs off flaming into the sunset, consequently and ironically only making things worse*

Glad I used the bathroom recently. Would have had to go home early sitting on a plastic bag otherwise. Oh, that hurt. 😉

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: apoppin
now you're "flaming"?

:Q

i'm sure you can find someone to frag your @ss.

😀



:roll:


*PS: Vasoline claims to be good for "burns" 😉

:roll:

Son, I'm here to make a plea on behalf of the rest of the forum.

The :roll: smiley is now available only in quantities very similar to the X800XTPE. The 😛 smiley is struggling to market much like the 6800GT. People are despairing as their posts are being delayed again and again due to lack of supply.

Could you please back off on them a bit until they're available wide?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin
now you're "flaming"?

:Q

i'm sure you can find someone to frag your @ss.

😀



:roll:


*PS: Vasoline claims to be good for "burns" 😉

:roll:

Son, I'm here to make a plea on behalf of the rest of the forum.

The :roll: smiley is now available only in quantities very similar to the X800XTPE. The 😛 smiley is struggling to market much like the 6800GT. People are despairing as their posts are being delayed again and again due to lack of supply.

Could you please back off on them a bit until they're available wide?

you are asking me to change my "style"?

(no emoticon - yet)

anyone else hate it that bad?

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin
now you're "flaming"?

:Q

i'm sure you can find someone to frag your @ss.

😀



:roll:


*PS: Vasoline claims to be good for "burns" 😉

:roll:

Son, I'm here to make a plea on behalf of the rest of the forum.

The :roll: smiley is now available only in quantities very similar to the X800XTPE. The 😛 smiley is struggling to market much like the 6800GT. People are despairing as their posts are being delayed again and again due to lack of supply.

Could you please back off on them a bit until they're available wide?

you are asking me to change my "style"?

(no emoticon - yet)

anyone else hate it that bad?

I don't hate it at all - your posting style I'm just fine with. I'm just saying, the rest of us would like some smilies to use too....

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin
now you're "flaming"?

:Q

i'm sure you can find someone to frag your @ss.

😀



:roll:


*PS: Vasoline claims to be good for "burns" 😉

:roll:

Son, I'm here to make a plea on behalf of the rest of the forum.

The :roll: smiley is now available only in quantities very similar to the X800XTPE. The 😛 smiley is struggling to market much like the 6800GT. People are despairing as their posts are being delayed again and again due to lack of supply.

Could you please back off on them a bit until they're available wide?

you are asking me to change my "style"?

(no emoticon - yet)

anyone else hate it that bad?

I don't hate it at all - your posting style I'm just fine with. I'm just saying, the rest of us would like some smilies to use too....

sorry, MY sarcasm meter was temporarily malfunctioning.

these 'flame-fests' need a little 'humour' just to get through them. 😉

 

[Insomniak]

There's flaming going on here?

Actually, I've found this to be pretty good discourse. Points, counter points, a lot of good perspectives are changing hands in here...


EDIT: Wait, that's the SLI thread. This one is all ribbing. Disregard above.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Insomniak

Originally posted by: apoppin
now you're "flaming"?

:Q

i'm sure you can find someone to frag your @ss.

😀



:roll:


*PS: Vasoline claims to be good for "burns" 😉

:roll:

Son, I'm here to make a plea on behalf of the rest of the forum.

The :roll: smiley is now available only in quantities very similar to the X800XTPE. The 😛 smiley is struggling to market much like the 6800GT. People are despairing as their posts are being delayed again and again due to lack of supply.

Could you please back off on them a bit until they're available wide?

you are asking me to change my "style"?

(no emoticon - yet)

anyone else hate it that bad?

I don't find the smiley itself annoying... I just fine the smiley on one line, with 2 blank lines, and a smiley on another line, 2 more blank lines, 7 words, two blank lines, more smilies, etc. to be a bit annoying.

 

[Childs]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I don't find the smiley itself annoying... I just fine the smiley on one line, with 2 blank lines, and a smiley on another line, 2 more blank lines, 7 words, two blank lines, more smilies, etc. to be a bit annoying.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

"What do you do in this case, spin, dodge and dance"

the best sentence in that article

 

[fsstrike]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: fsstrike
"I know where my money will be going, and an X800 seems like money badly spent if you don't plan on buying an new card every three months. "

So, by reading that article, you fully agree that buying an x800 (pro/xt) will call for an upgrade in 3 months? Think about it really hard.

You know what, I think he is right. The X800 XTPE ONLY gets 60FPS @ 1600x1200 4xAA 8xAF in Farcry SM3.0? Not sure about you, but I think that is REALLY BAD. 60FPS is almost unplayable. 3 months? I cant wait 3 months, I need to upgrade NOW because my x800 is a POS!

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2102&p=5

No... the x800 XTPE gets 0, yes ZERO, FPS @ 1600x1200 4XAA 8XAF in Far Cry SM3.0. Why? Because ATi cards don't support SM3.0 😀

Im sorry, then Anandtech must be lying
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2102&p=5

 

[nitromullet]

you are asking me to change my "style"?

(no emoticon - yet)

anyone else hate it that bad?

With all the different emoticons you use, I sometimes feel like I'm talking to someone who twitches a lot (especially with the animated ones). Your angle is often hard to judge... For instance, you'll say that Doom3 sucks and follow it with a smiley face... Does Doom3 sucking make you happy or are you smiling for another reason?

 

[Brian48]

Im sorry, then Anandtech must be lying
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2102&p=5

I believe that's just a mistake on Anand's graph, or it was just not elaborated enough. If you search all the other sites covering this SM2.0 vs SM2.0b vs SM3.0, you'll see it mentioned. None of the current ATI cards support SM3.0 right now, which is why ATI is trumping the virtues of SM2.0b, which in reality is actually a pretty good way to go, but doubtful anyone is going to pick up on it since SM3.0 appears to be next evolutionary step.

UPDATE: Oh I just noticed the date of the article is actually BEFORE it was realized that support for SM2.0b was also implemented with the FarCry 1.2 patch.