Athiest in society

[FuryofFive]

Originally posted by: vi edit
There are many facets of our lives that we develop deeply rooted convictions.

Just go hang out in the P&N forum for a bit and try to digest that.

i dont care much for politics heh

 

[FuryofFive]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: FuryofFive

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: FuryofFive
explain my hypocrisy??? the fact i accept others for what they believe. but get told that i dont deserve someone or deserve to goto hell because i dont believe in a hippy who lives in the sky.
i think its you who needs to do some explaining before you throw "hypocrisy" out. i was simply saying that society as a whole tends to bend around the religious groups.. laws are made because of religious people... why cant i buy booze on sundays?? because of some religious person.
and im a hypocrite because i simply asked if anyone else felt that the acceptance didnt go both ways.

flying spaghetti monster, hippy who lives in the sky?

you see, you can ridicule others for believing, but they aren't supposed to judge you. that's being a hypocrite.

flying sphagetti monster was a book...do ur research

hippy in the sky could be a freakin book. that doesn't change who you were referring too and who you were ridiculing.

i wasnt ridiculing anyone. shows how much u know. the dude who wrote the book, wrote it based on a situation that happened where he lived

 

[0]

For someone that doesn't care, you're sure putting a lot of energy into this.

 

[FuryofFive]

Originally posted by: 0
For someone that doesn't care, you're sure putting a lot of energy into this.

im at work.. im not on a call why not sit on a forum and kill time

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I don't go around telling people in real life that I'm an Atheist and the chances of them finding out are small unless they start preaching their religious views to me then I'll tell them just to shut them the fuck up which usually works.

This has worked for me.

Granted, I live in Nevada, which is pretty much a live and let live state (we think a Blue Law is the fact that the major cities have banned prostitution).

 

[soulcougher73]

Religous people dont really have a live and let live mentallity. In their eyes an athiest is a sinner and needs to be enlighened to the true god. But that is because they have faith that they are correct even if you somehow produced 100% pure evidence of their not being a god they would still believe.

I mostly try to stay out of this stuff myself. I have religous family members but i never really talk to them about what i believe because it is their right to believe whatever they want to believe in.

 

[FuryofFive]

Originally posted by: soulcougher73
Religous people dont really have a live and let live mentallity. In their eyes an athiest is a sinner and needs to be enlighened to the true god. But that is because they have faith that they are correct even if you somehow produced 100% pure evidence of their not being a god they would still believe.

I mostly try to stay out of this stuff myself. I have religous family members but i never really talk to them about what i believe because it is their right to believe whatever they want to believe in.

exactly.. i do the same, i dont go out and hand people little business cards that say. im an athiest, and u should be too.

i come from a big italian family.. catholics everywhere.

 

[MisterJackson]

As the atheist was walking through the woods.

He said to himself. "What majestic trees, what powerful rivers, and what beautiful animals!"

As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly bear charge towards him. He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him. He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer. He tripped & fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him. At that instant the Atheist cried out, "Oh my God!"

Time Stopped.

The bear froze.

The forest was silent.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky. "You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident." "Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?"

The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask you to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps you could make the BEAR a Christian."

"Very Well," said the voice.

The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed. And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head & spoke: ?Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from thy bounty??

 

[ghostman]

Originally posted by: FuryofFive
explain my hypocrisy??? the fact i accept others for what they believe. but get told that i dont deserve someone or deserve to goto hell because i dont believe in a hippy who lives in the sky.
i think its you who needs to do some explaining before you throw "hypocrisy" out. i was simply saying that society as a whole tends to bend around the religious groups.. laws are made because of religious people... why cant i buy booze on sundays?? because of some religious person.
and im a hypocrite because i simply asked if anyone else felt that the acceptance didnt go both ways.

I don't want to speak for mosh, but I believe she's saying the hypocrisy comes from the fact that you're questioning why your gf's folks are asking you to break up. Even though you accept their religion, you're not accepting their opinions based on those religions. Well, that's where I think the confusion arises.

Why not do those things? If there is no heaven or hell, why not tear it up?

I'm not a religious person and I hear this thrown about a lot. The question/logic goes... "if there is no heaven or hell, there are no consequences, so why not do whatever you want?" But that makes the assumption, often unstated as above, that "there are no consequences". In my opinion, that's not true. To me, morals aren't based on religious beliefs, but the other way around. These morals are a result of thousands of years of evolution - early humans realized there was a greater chance of survival when participating in a community. Societies grew and those who didn't co-operate in the society (stealing, killing, etc.) hurt the community and its chance of survival. And so it goes on... We see the "laws" actually being put into writing long before Christianity (though it may be credited to other gods): Code of Ur-Nammu, Code of Hammurabi

 

[Xavier434]

I have found that actively not believing in a god(s) can often be just as difficult as believing in one for many people. The easiest way I have found to combat such things is to just not care at all one way or the other. It tends to be the least conflicting too when dealing with family/society unless they are the type that really looks down upon those who do not share similar beliefs or are constantly trying to push theirs on you. In which case, it's their loss. My time will not be wasted.

 

[FuryofFive]

Originally posted by: ghostman

Originally posted by: FuryofFive
explain my hypocrisy??? the fact i accept others for what they believe. but get told that i dont deserve someone or deserve to goto hell because i dont believe in a hippy who lives in the sky.
i think its you who needs to do some explaining before you throw "hypocrisy" out. i was simply saying that society as a whole tends to bend around the religious groups.. laws are made because of religious people... why cant i buy booze on sundays?? because of some religious person.
and im a hypocrite because i simply asked if anyone else felt that the acceptance didnt go both ways.

I don't want to speak for mosh, but I believe she's saying the hypocrisy comes from the fact that you're questioning why your gf's folks are asking you to break up. Even though you accept their religion, you're not accepting their opinions based on those religions. Well, where I think the confusion arises.
.

i just used that as an example in my life. at the current moment.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I have found that actively not believing in a god(s) can often be just as difficult as believing in one for many people. The easiest way I have found to combat such things is to just not care at all one way or the other.

Apathism represent! :laugh:
Really, it's not that I don't care. It's just that I'm too lazy too.

 

[yours truly]

heard someone say the other day, atheists put their minds before their souls and religious zealots put their souls in front of their minds

 

[FuryofFive]

Originally posted by: hopeless74
heard someone say the other day, atheists put their minds before their souls and religious zealots put their souls in front of their minds

thats a good one heh,can i steal it?

 

[yours truly]

lol its all yours

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: FuryofFive

Originally posted by: hopeless74
heard someone say the other day, atheists put their minds before their souls and religious zealots put their souls in front of their minds

thats a good one heh,can i steal it?

Zealots of any belief/cause put their minds before anyone elses. It has nothing to do with soul.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: rudeguy
Why not do those things? If there is no heaven or hell, why not tear it up?

Not everyone has chosen to base their sense of morality on the fear of going to Hell.

So what is it based on?

I lived life for a long time with no direction. Basing all my decisions on what I wanted and thought I needed. That way of life sucked.

Dr. Jung talks about this a lot. Most people wander through life feeling unfulfilled and are constantly looking to fill a void they feel within themselves. He calls it a spiritual void. People throw themselves into work, sports, gardening, raising wild coconuts...those are all fine hobbies but nothing to live your life around. True fulfillment comes when you are basing your decisions on something greater than yourself.

I would never dream of forcing my beliefs on another person but I do think its important to share my experiences.

 

[ElFenix]

atheist.


and how much less could you care?

 

[xanis]

I was born and raised Catholic, but I'm pretty much indifferent to the whole organized religion thing, though I do believe in God. I don't really care what people believe and I definitely don't judge them on it.

 

[FuryofFive]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
atheist.


and how much less could you care?

about this much |---------------------------->|

 

[Aberforth]

I dunno why some people call themselves as atheists. To become an atheist you have to understand every bit of this universe and not draw blind conclusions. By not believing you are not gaining anything special from the public or the intellect, in the same way believing doesn't make anyone good citizens. Religion has got nothing to do with God, as every religion is formed by men. In fact no man can be a true follower unless he experiences certain truths himself, which has happened before and will happen again.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: rudeguy
Why not do those things? If there is no heaven or hell, why not tear it up?

Not everyone has chosen to base their sense of morality on the fear of going to Hell.

So what is it based on?

A selfish, but socially convenient construct called "The Golden Rule".

I really don't like being punched in the face, so I don't do it to you. I don't like being stolen from, so I don't do it to others. I appreciated it when people open the door for me and lend a hand, so I do it for them. It's very simplistic set of guidelines that many people have imbedded into their behavior that help us function as a soceity.

It's not perfect. Somepeople may like getting kicked in the crotch. Other people may enjoy doing everything for themselves and want no assistance. Others may want it, but are too selfish to either return the favor or stop themselves from doing something they don't want done to themselves.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
I dunno why some people call themselves as atheists. To become an atheist you have to understand every bit of this universe and not draw blind conclusions. By not believing you are not gaining anything special from the public or the intellect, in the same way believing doesn't make anyone good citizens. Religion has got nothing to do with God, as every religion is formed by men. In fact no man can be a true follower unless he experiences certain truths himself, which has happened before and will happen again.

Man that's heavy dude:roll:

 

[yours truly]

Man that's heavy dude:roll:

i got man handled by a heavy dude today. he grabbed my arm. i swear i wanted to clock him one. hes filthy, keeps putting his hands downs his pants then sniffs his fingers

i have had to bleach my arm

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: rudeguy
Why not do those things? If there is no heaven or hell, why not tear it up?

Not everyone has chosen to base their sense of morality on the fear of going to Hell.

So what is it based on?

A selfish, but socially convenient construct called "The Golden Rule".

I really don't like being punched in the face, so I don't do it to you. I don't like being stolen from, so I don't do it to others. I appreciated it when people open the door for me and lend a hand, so I do it for them. It's very simplistic set of guidelines that many people have imbedded into their behavior that help us function as a soceity.

It's not perfect. Somepeople may like getting kicked in the crotch. Other people may enjoy doing everything for themselves and want no assistance. Others may want it, but are too selfish to either return the favor or stop themselves from doing something they don't want done to themselves.

Fair enough.

Do you believe in karma?