Athiest in society

[TridenT]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: FuryofFive
Im not sure how anyone else feels about this topic

my gf and her family are religious of course. i could care less. i feel thats there business or perogative. who am i to tell them other wise.
i just feel i dont wanna believe in a man in the sky or the evil beast down below...thats besides the point.

but why is it so hard to stomach that we dont believe?
we believe in all the same morals that religious believers do.
you know..thou shall not kill,steal,commit adultery, among others.

my experience has been pretty good, as in others i know dont care but there are some who really dont like it.
anyone else kinda feel the same, as in its silly that its ok for us to accept them, but the fact they dont accept us

Why not do those things? If there is no heaven or hell, why not tear it up?

I would "tear it up" if I knew exactly what happened when I died, but since I don't I plan on not doing such. I kinda fear death, you know.. Living is kinda cool sometimes. :-/ (I am atheist and do not know what happens at death, I assume nothing but I wish for something more... You know, because it would kinda suck for there to be nothing!)

 

[IronWing]

Atheism is unacceptable. To believe in anything is better than nothing. Atheism stabs at the heart of every religion. To believe is to pay a preacher. Atheism is an assault on this system and must be eradicated.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Atheism is unacceptable. To believe in anything is better than nothing. Atheism stabs at the heart of every religion. To believe is to pay a preacher. Atheism is an assault on this system and must be eradicated.

LOL!

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: ghostman

Originally posted by: rudeguy

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: rudeguy
Why not do those things? If there is no heaven or hell, why not tear it up?

Not everyone has chosen to base their sense of morality on the fear of going to Hell.

So what is it based on?

I lived life for a long time with no direction. Basing all my decisions on what I wanted and thought I needed. That way of life sucked.

Dr. Jung talks about this a lot. Most people wander through life feeling unfulfilled and are constantly looking to fill a void they feel within themselves. He calls it a spiritual void. People throw themselves into work, sports, gardening, raising wild coconuts...those are all fine hobbies but nothing to live your life around. True fulfillment comes when you are basing your decisions on something greater than yourself.

I would never dream of forcing my beliefs on another person but I do think its important to share my experiences.

Sorry. Not to nitpick, but my English teacher made a point of correcting me every time I used the word "most". It drove me nuts, but it seems more sensible now. "Most" requires you to have knowledge of a majority. When people use the phrase "most people," it would require that the person using it knows the majority of people in the world. It would be more appropriate to use the word "many" which could be any amount of people.

I point that out not to be as ass, but because it's relevant in what you're currently saying. I don't disagree with you that religion fills a void for many people. I see subway preachers all the time, describing how they used to be a drug addict and were saved by Jesus. But not even Dr. Jung (no clue who he is) can claim that most people wander life with a void, much less claiming how true fulfillment can be attained by most people. I think religion has its place. It helps to provide community, hope and purpose to some people. But not everyone needs religion to provide that.

I was using Jung's words when I said most, not my own. Dr. Jung was one of the top psychiatrists in the world in the early 20th century. He was more than qualified to use the term most.

He once told a man, much like the drug addict in the subway, that the only chance he had to save his life was to have a spiritual awakening. The man did just that and learned that he also had to spread the message in order to maintain. This message has been passed to millions of people now.

That is why I am not afraid to share my views.

Perhaps you believe anxiety is caused by someone unable to get over their love for pooping and playing with feces when they were a toddler, since that's the basis of most psychology in the 20th century developed none other than sigmund freud.
Carl Jung was a big psychodynamics guy. He believed in many theories, while interesting, holds very little value in the scientific community. I wouldn't put too much faith in his authority.

 

[PrinceofWands]

It's a truly awful situation in this country. While I no longer consider myself an atheist, I certainly was and I'm still definitely not religious.

People aren't allowed to NOT be religious. They're often required to at least 'fake it'. It's disturbing, unethical, and has very real impacts on people's lives.

I've told the story before about refusing to say God in the pledge and getting in trouble in school over it, then getting beat up by others in class when I stopped participating in the pledge completely because I was not allowed to say it as originally intended. I've told the story about being refused entry into the Scouts over it, causing me to lose friends and become ostracized further. Then there's the military issues, money issues, invading my space to witness and convert, teaching issues, political issues, and so many other issues I've lost track.

About 3 years ago I joined Americans United and always encourage others to do the same. This country HAS to change the way it views religion if it wishes to continue to exist.

 

[LtPage1]

Some people can't stand the fact that it's possible to be happy, fulfilled, and moral without having to believe in a lot of pretend stuff.

 

[Born2bwire]

I don't care, I can take solace in the fact that you'll be going to Hell.

 

[BlackTigers]

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[datalink7]

Originally posted by: njdevilsfan87

Originally posted by: Xavier434
I have found that actively not believing in a god(s) can often be just as difficult as believing in one for many people. The easiest way I have found to combat such things is to just not care at all one way or the other. It tends to be the least conflicting too when dealing with family/society unless they are the type that really looks down upon those who do not share similar beliefs or are constantly trying to push theirs on you. In which case, it's their loss. My time will not be wasted.

This is the case for me. It just pisses me off sometimes that I'm agnostic because I just want 'to know'. But I'm not going to lie to myself.

And you're right... I rarely think about it, because I never get anywhere. It's always an infinite loop of reasoning no matter where you go with it. So yes... it's a waste of time.

It's not actively not believing in got anymore than it's actively not believing the the tooth fairy... oh nevermind.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Born2bwire
I don't care, I'll masturbate to the fact that you'll be going to Hell.

Naughty!

 

[KIRBYEE]

The idea of a god is so absurd. Religion makes no sense.

 

[FuryofFive]

Originally posted by: herm0016
the church of the FSM is a real, recognized religion with followers. I am a member of a local pastafarian group. it was not a book, it was a letter, and our bible was published sometime after the original letter to the Kansas school board. I think you are a hypocrite. you should do some research before you tell other to do it.

they turned it into a book tard

 

[Nik]

Believing god does not exist = requires faith
Believing god does exist = requires faith
agnosticism = not believing either way, having no proof for either side of the spectrum.

Theists are just as silly as atheists.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: FuryofFive

Originally posted by: herm0016
the church of the FSM is a real, recognized religion with followers. I am a member of a local pastafarian group. it was not a book, it was a letter, and our bible was published sometime after the original letter to the Kansas school board. I think you are a hypocrite. you should do some research before you tell other to do it.

they turned it into a book tard

Way to unnecessarily bash another man of faith. He said his bible was published sometime after the original letter. Why do you feel so threatened by people who believe in a God? Is it because deep down inside you know that there is a God? That when you die you will have to answer in front of his noodily presence for your sins?

 

[OCGuy]

Remember what it was like before you were born? Thats what its like when you die.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nik
Believing god does not exist = requires faith
Believing god does exist = requires faith
agnosticism = not believing either way, having no proof for either side of the spectrum.

Theists are just as silly as atheists.

Negative. Religion says there's a "God(s)", but offers no Proof, Faith is required

There's no Proof of "God(s)" existing, no one can see a "God(s)", thus the Athiest/Agnostic has no reason to think there is a "God(s)", no Faith required


Of course this has all been explained to you many times before.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nik
Believing god does not exist = requires faith
Believing god does exist = requires faith
agnosticism = not believing either way, having no proof for either side of the spectrum.

Theists are just as silly as atheists.

Negative. Religion says there's a "God(s)", but offers no Proof, Faith is required

There's no Proof of "God(s)" existing, no one can see a "God(s)", thus the Athiest/Agnostic has no reason to think there is a "God(s)", no Faith required


Of course this has all been explained to you many times before.

You can't prove that they don't exist so therefore you accept that assumption on faith.

I've never seen you, therefore I must assume that you do not exist :roll:

Electrons existed before man could even comprehend their existence. Just because you don't have proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

On the other hand, without proof, I cannot believe that him/her/it/whatever does exist.

Agnostics don't know either way, don't profess to be arrogant enough to know that there is a god or know that there is no god. Singular or plural is simply pedantic.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Nik
Believing god does not exist = requires faith
Believing god does exist = requires faith
agnosticism = not believing either way, having no proof for either side of the spectrum.

Theists are just as silly as atheists.

Negative. Religion says there's a "God(s)", but offers no Proof, Faith is required

There's no Proof of "God(s)" existing, no one can see a "God(s)", thus the Athiest/Agnostic has no reason to think there is a "God(s)", no Faith required


Of course this has all been explained to you many times before.

You can't prove that they don't exist so therefore you accept that assumption on faith.

I've never seen you, therefore I must assume that you do not exist :roll:

Electrons existed before man could even comprehend their existence. Just because you don't have proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

On the other hand, without proof, I cannot believe that him/her/it/whatever does exist.

Agnostics don't know either way, don't profess to be arrogant enough to know that there is a god or know that there is no god. Singular or plural is simply pedantic.

Your Illogic has been addressed before. Learn from it.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: sandorski
I got nothin so I will just continue to troll and poke Nik with sticks.

Okay.

 

[DangerAardvark]

I'm declaring an Atheist Jihad, binding on all loyal followers of holy Athe, on the blaspheming Pastafarians. Your God is full of empty calories, heathens.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: sandorski
I got nothin so I will just continue to troll and poke Nik with sticks.

Okay.

Funny, but everything I said is True.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Nik
You can't prove that they don't exist so therefore you accept that assumption on faith.

I've never seen you, therefore I must assume that you do not exist :roll:

Electrons existed before man could even comprehend their existence. Just because you don't have proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

On the other hand, without proof, I cannot believe that him/her/it/whatever does exist.

Agnostics don't know either way, don't profess to be arrogant enough to know that there is a god or know that there is no god. Singular or plural is simply pedantic.

Evidence of sandorski's existence is right before you. God has yet to make a post on these forums. Hell, he won't even call me at home. The only way he "talks" to people is when they hear voices in their head, or misconstrue everyday happenstance as a "sign" of God wanting something done.

"Gosh, I really wanted money for some $200 jeans, and look, there's a job opening at Kmart! Surely God must have wanted me to have that job!"

That, or God wanted you to see that a crappy job at Kmart wasn't worth the pittance you'd make, and you'd seek more fulfilling things than overpriced merchandise. Now you've gone and pissed off God for misreading his obvious signs.


Burden of proof is on you to prove that something does exist.

I have yet to see any evidence to support the existence of any of the deities humanity has conjured up over the ages. Zeus, Ra, God - take your pick, which one's right? Will the next big religion, created in 10,000 years, be the right one? Are we all going to Super-Hell because we don't believe in the Super-God of that future religion?

The mere fact of our existence is not evidence of anything. You can apply Occam's Razor to that if you want. One one side, an infinitely complex, infinitely intelligent entity. On the other, some kind of concentrated singularity of energy, which suddenly began expanding, forming a bubble of space, time, and energy, of finite complexity.


The only possibility of any kind of god-like entity existing would be some sort of powerful alien life form, with capabilities similar to those of God. It would be to us as we are to ants. We would be so utterly insignificant to it that we would barely be within its scope of relevant perception. Even then, it's not a deity. It's just another one of the Universe's inhabitants, another form of life.

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
I'm declaring an Atheist Jihad, binding on all loyal followers of holy Athe, on the blaspheming Pastafarians. Your God is full of empty calories, heathens.

You shall be the first to die for speaking ill of his Marinarany Ways. Those who dare insult the caloric content of his Meaty Balls shall be exiled to a terrible realm: You shall listen to Chris Crocker whine about Britney Spears, forever!

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: FuryofFive
Im not sure how anyone else feels about this topic

my gf and her family are religious of course. i could care less. i feel thats there business or perogative. who am i to tell them other wise.
i just feel i dont wanna believe in a man in the sky or the evil beast down below...thats besides the point.

but why is it so hard to stomach that we dont believe?
we believe in all the same morals that religious believers do.
you know..thou shall not kill,steal,commit adultery, among others.

my experience has been pretty good, as in others i know dont care but there are some who really dont like it.
anyone else kinda feel the same, as in its silly that its ok for us to accept them, but the fact they dont accept us

just how much less could you care?

and why is it so hard for you to stomach that there are people who do believe?

Exactly WHERE are you getting that from the OP, Mosh? Really, where?

Here's the pertinant quote from him:

i feel thats there business or perogative. who am i to tell them other wise.

So, again, where do you get that it's hard for him to stomach believers?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: FuryofFive

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: FuryofFive
Im not sure how anyone else feels about this topic

my gf and her family are religious of course. i could care less. i feel thats there business or perogative. who am i to tell them other wise.
i just feel i dont wanna believe in a man in the sky or the evil beast down below...thats besides the point.

but why is it so hard to stomach that we dont believe?
we believe in all the same morals that religious believers do.
you know..thou shall not kill,steal,commit adultery, among others.

my experience has been pretty good, as in others i know dont care but there are some who really dont like it.
anyone else kinda feel the same, as in its silly that its ok for us to accept them, but the fact they dont accept us

just how much less could you care?

and why is it so hard for you to stomach that there are people who do believe?

i really dont care less, everyone can believe in the flying sphagetti monster and i wouldnt care. i simply made a generalized statement. i hear from my gf that her father says we should break up because i dont believe in god..

and how come on this forum all the time.. the OP gets attacked as if i was making fun of someone

you fail to see your hypocricy, that is why.

It's hyprocrisy, Mosh, and please feel free to quote where you are getting your idea of his hypocrisy from, or we will be forced to believe it's YOU who are being hypocritcal.

So . . . quote up or shut up.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Nik
You can't prove that they don't exist so therefore you accept that assumption on faith.

I've never seen you, therefore I must assume that you do not exist :roll:

Electrons existed before man could even comprehend their existence. Just because you don't have proof doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

On the other hand, without proof, I cannot believe that him/her/it/whatever does exist.

Agnostics don't know either way, don't profess to be arrogant enough to know that there is a god or know that there is no god. Singular or plural is simply pedantic.

Evidence of sandorski's existence is right before you. God has yet to make a post on these forums. Hell, he won't even call me at home. The only way he "talks" to people is when they hear voices in their head, or misconstrue everyday happenstance as a "sign" of God wanting something done.

"Gosh, I really wanted money for some $200 jeans, and look, there's a job opening at Kmart! Surely God must have wanted me to have that job!"

That, or God wanted you to see that a crappy job at Kmart wasn't worth the pittance you'd make, and you'd seek more fulfilling things than overpriced merchandise. Now you've gone and pissed off God for misreading his obvious signs.


Burden of proof is on you to prove that something does exist.

I think his point that when you take this in the sense of logic and science, if you believe in God you do so on faith because there has not been satisfactory proof of God. Likewise though, it is more or less impossible to prove that there isn't a God. Technically though God is defined in such a way that makes this impossible should he deem it so it is a bit moot. Either way, being an atheist does in some way require a bit of faith (not to be compared to the faith that someone that does believe in God requires) as they believe in the total absence of a God(s). There is a difference in simply saying that you don't know whether or not there is a God and saying that there isn't a God.