ATHF: Competition: 01/02/10 DeadLift

[SociallyChallenged]

The USAPL American record for that weight class is 805 in gear, 685 raw. WABDL is 800 national/world record (geared). USPF is 901 (Ed Coan).

Basically, its doable, but he'd have to be damn good - and in a suit.

It just so happens that we decided no suits so...

 

[Herbot]

What's your last name? What meet did you pull 785 in?

I'd rather remain anonymous on here, but my school's unassisted record for my weightclass when I lifted (220 lb class) is 805. Unofficial results. I never competed due to my unimpressive bench and squatting ability compared to others. Generally there was a 10-15% reduction in weight during competition vs. what went on in the gym. I can tell you that most of the football players I knew would easily be able to do 3x their bodyweight deadlift, they simply just did not devote any time to it.

If you want to disqualify me due to lack of video evidence, I'm fine with that.

 

[crt1530]

If you want to disqualify me due to lack of video evidence, I'm fine with that.

Okay.

 

[Deeko]

I'd rather remain anonymous on here, but my school's unassisted record for my weightclass when I lifted (220 lb class) is 805. Unofficial results. I never competed due to my unimpressive bench and squatting ability compared to others. Generally there was a 10-15% reduction in weight during competition vs. what went on in the gym. I can tell you that most of the football players I knew would easily be able to do 3x their bodyweight deadlift, they simply just did not devote any time to it.

If you want to disqualify me due to lack of video evidence, I'm fine with that.

Listen, I understand that elite-level athletes are freakishly fast/strong/etc - but powerlifting requires specific training to reach the true champion levels. Larry Allen - largely regarded as the strongest man in NFL history - squatted 900 and benched 700, not competition legal. And those non-legal lifts were still not enough to beat the elite powerlifters.

And that's not to say he isn't strong as all hell, or the fact that he can do that + run the 40 in 4.85 seconds + 30 inch vertical (at 300+lbs) + pull to the sideline on running plays isn't ridiculously impressive/athletic. Just that being a football player does not automatically make you stronger than a trained, elite powerlifter. If, now that he's retired, he took to powerlifting training, maybe he would beat those guys...but you get my point. I find it very unlikely that you had college football players pulling 805 @ 220 raw.

 

[Koing]

Listen, I understand that elite-level athletes are freakishly fast/strong/etc - but powerlifting requires specific training to reach the true champion levels. Larry Allen - largely regarded as the strongest man in NFL history - squatted 900 and benched 700, not competition legal. And those non-legal lifts were still not enough to beat the elite powerlifters.

And that's not to say he isn't strong as all hell, or the fact that he can do that + run the 40 in 4.85 seconds + 30 inch vertical (at 300+lbs) + pull to the sideline on running plays isn't ridiculously impressive/athletic. Just that being a football player does not automatically make you stronger than a trained, elite powerlifter. If, now that he's retired, he took to powerlifting training, maybe he would beat those guys...but you get my point. I find it very unlikely that you had college football players pulling 805 @ 220 raw.

The weights in his gym could be ALL OVER THE SHOP...especially when you have a bunch of weights put together with 25kg's and not 50kg plates. The weights won't be competition calibrated ones. Most gyms have horrible weights.

As far as the rules we will let Herb in with his results. This is hardly the most 'official' comp due to no comp scales and we are using an honour system. And it's on the internet an all

Updated with :

MrMatt.....................195kg....................220.5%
MrEgo......................142.9kg..................170%
Herb.......................297.1kg..................318%

I'll get an entry in a few weeks after the English champs so I can get some DL action going on.

Koing

 

[Herbot]

I find it very unlikely that you had college football players pulling 805 @ 220 raw.

Have you ever been in the weightroom of a top collegiate football team? I've seen a 160 pound defensive back do squats with 550 pounds. It's ludicrous. That said, most football players don't train for max deadlifts. They mostly do squats and cleans for power, which makes sense given the sport they're playing. Some of them do Romanians. Olympic-level strength is something that a lot of these guys could easily achieve if they trained specifically for lifting, but again, they're more concerned with pragmatic strength for a specific purpose.

The whole Larry Allen benching 700 pounds isn't as abnormal as you think. That same 160 pound db could 1RM bench 385, and he wasn't nearly the strongest guy on the team. I think you're also forgetting the fact that most of these guys have access to steroids, HGH, etc. Powerlifting as a sport doesn't tend to attract the people who would actually be the best powerlifters.

 

[Deeko]

Have you ever been in the weightroom of a top collegiate football team? I've seen a 160 pound defensive back do squats with 550 pounds. It's ludicrous. That said, most football players don't train for max deadlifts. They mostly do squats and cleans for power, which makes sense given the sport they're playing. Some of them do Romanians. Olympic-level strength is something that a lot of these guys could easily achieve if they trained specifically for lifting, but again, they're more concerned with pragmatic strength for a specific purpose.

The whole Larry Allen benching 700 pounds isn't as abnormal as you think. That same 160 pound db could 1RM bench 385, and he wasn't nearly the strongest guy on the team. I think you're also forgetting the fact that most of these guys have access to steroids, HGH, etc. Powerlifting as a sport doesn't tend to attract the people who would actually be the best powerlifters.

Players from U of Washington & Washington State train at my gym in the offseason, and just last week there were Seattle Sounders FC guys (MLS team) lifting there, so yea - I've been in the gym with serious athletes. And at my other gym, I lift with some world record holding powerlifters, so I've been around that side, too.

You're missing my point on Larry Allen - he is the STRONGEST the NFL has ever had, and his lifts, while certainly impressive, were not elite powerlifting level. And I understand that they don't train for that - I pointed out in my last post that maybe if Larry Allen focused on powerlifting training, he WOULD be the best, but he doesn't (although that 700lb bench was in an Inzer bench shirt, so he's certainly versed in that space)....but he doesn't. And the same applies to that deadlift. You're telling me a college kid can lift raw more than ANY powerlifter has in a suit, except for Ed Coan, who might be the best powerlifter of all time? I doubt that.

I'm not taking anything away from football players, I think they are the best all-around athletes out there...and while many of them COULD be elite powerlifters if they trained for it, they don't train for it. You've also gotta remember that a football gym lift is not necessarily a powerlifting-legal lift. That 160lb db that was squatting 550 - was he going past parallel? Was the bench press legal, or was there a bounce off the chest? Are these deadlifts smooth, without any hitching, to a full lockout?

 

[Koing]

That 160lb db that was squatting 550 - was he going past parallel? Was the bench press legal, or was there a bounce off the chest? Are these deadlifts smooth, without any hitching, to a full lockout?

I can almost gurantee with my life that the bench press was no where near powerlifting legal Paused! Makes it UBER hard!

The squat arguably but who knows?

The DL I am more incline to say was the least f0cked up to do. Most people don't hitch the f0ck out of the bar to lock out.

Koing

 

[crt1530]

I deadlifted 400kg a few years ago before I decided to stop lifting heavy (no video or meet results, of course). Then I decided to lean up a bit because I didn't want to weigh 110kg anymore. Now I am doing lots of push-ups because I am going to join the military.

 

[Herbot]

I deadlifted 400kg a few years ago before I decided to stop lifting heavy (no video or meet results, of course). Then I decided to lean up a bit because I didn't want to weigh 110kg anymore. Now I am doing lots of push-ups because I am going to join the military.

Hey, that sounds exactly like me!

 

[MrEgo]

Were you wearing a suit or anything when you did 655?

 

[Herbot]

Were you wearing a suit or anything when you did 655?

Actually the plates were styrofoam and the bar was a broomhandle, so while it LOOKED like a lot, it was maybe 10 pounds. Also all those pushups were girly style. No one could ever do 100 pushups! Certainly not Navy SEALs or Army Rangers, or even my brother who just got out of OCS, along with most of the guys in his graduating class. IMPOSSIBLE!

To answer seriously, no, I never use any "assisting" equipment. I go to the gym in t-shirts and basketball shorts, wear Sambas, not any sort of special shoes.

 

[MrEgo]

Just out of curiousity, how tall are you? I saw a guy in my local gym the other day deadlift 500 even. He was probably 5'11ish, 210lbs if I had to guess.

 

[Herbot]

A little over 5'11".

There's a 67 year old man at one of the gyms I go to who does 3x10 deads with around 365. I'd say he's 5'9" or so, maybe 170. Definitely not huge. And old. I'll say it again: some people are just genetically superior.

I wanted to clarify something: when I said 805 was the record, that wasn't MY record.

 

[Koing]

A little over 5'11".

There's a 67 year old man at one of the gyms I go to who does 3x10 deads with around 365. I'd say he's 5'9" or so, maybe 170. Definitely not huge. And old. I'll say it again: some people are just genetically superior.

I wanted to clarify something: when I said 805 was the record, that wasn't MY record.

A lot of old timers are SUPER strong in the DL! You can get strong for years but the decline in speed affects your power output drastically though. That and the number of years training it's hard to keep going at the elite level after 20-25yrs...

Koing

 

[MrMatt]

Okay.

yeah fishy fishy fishy. I figured it would be doable if he was maybe 5 6 at that weight...but slightly taller than average, at that weight, pulling that? :hmm:

I'm actually happy we made it this far before someone posted a lift THAT far out of line

 

[Koing]

Now for me to get f0cking strong and put up a decent deadlift in my 4-5 week Strength Phase

Koing

 

[MrMatt]

Now for me to get f0cking strong and put up a decent deadlift in my 4-5 week Strength Phase

Koing

Is it bad that I'm thinking of cutting to 187 lbs. so I can go to a lower weight class and hopefully pull 450 again?

 

[Deeko]

Is it bad that I'm thinking of cutting to 187 lbs. so I can go to a lower weight class and hopefully pull 450 again?

Welcome to the world of competative lifting, then

 

[crt1530]

Is it bad that I'm thinking of cutting to 187 lbs. so I can go to a lower weight class and hopefully pull 450 again?

Yes. Work on pulling 500.

 

[Koing]

I'd pull more weight unless you can cut to 187lbs and qualify for Nationals. Anything else is not worth it imo.

Koing

 

[HN]

Name: HN
Bw: 63.5kg : 140lbs
Result: 136kg : 300lbs
Class: 69kg : 151.8
%ofBody : 214% (300/140)

 

[Koing]

added

 

[Koing]

Name: Koing
Bw: 91kg
Result: 190kg
Class: 94kg
%ofbody 208.8%

I reckon 210kg is in my sights before the comp is over

 

[BlackTigers]

Damn, I had a 385 pull at 160 but I hitched it coming up to the top.

I'll see if I can replicate this without the hitch here in a few weeks.