i am an atheist. i believe in mathematics, science, and technology. back then, people used God(s) as a way to explain unknown phenomena and such. now we don't need such excuses and i think there is a reason behind everything in the world and universe. i respect everyone's views and everyone should respect other's. religion still serves a purpose today, but not as great. i'm not a religious or politics freak, but i think that waging war (Jihad) because God told you to is a dumb idea.
Nebor
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Originally posted by: Nebor
Once again I lobby for a change to P&N&R.
Once again you are ignored
Wow, this is like if I were praying, "God, I really need some help this Christmas, or liittle Timmy just isn't going to get the medicine he needs to grow again. So if you could help out in any way, it would be appreciated. Amen."
So your thinking, alright, God knows what's going on, maybe he'll do something. Then the sky parts, and a beam of light shines through, and a booming voice says, "Yeah, umm... I'm definitely not gonna be able to get to that. See ya."
Hayabusa Rider
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No one knows, but everyone believes.
Athiesm is just as "illogical" as religion is.
The magic faries analogy is faulty because no one really believes it. You are a magic typing turtle. I can't prove it one way or another, however it is a trivial diversion.
Religion is something that people through the ages have believed and STILL believe, educated people and ignorant, rational and irrational. The athiest is not superior to these people. They still have a belief ABOUT god. They claim special knowlege. OK, so you "know" god doesn't exist, but you can't demonstrate how it is so.
Me? I don't know. I know what I would like to believe, however that is not the same as believing. Frankly, over time I am leaning towards those who believe. Am I right or wrong in this? I don't know, and neither do you.
I DO believe it is arrogant to claim to know or be able to objectively prove the existence of god one way or another. Key word here is objectively. If God doesnt want to be seen for god's reasons, then that is how it is.
What I also find just as arrogant as claming objective proof is the claim that we pitiful bits of carbon etc with a three pound lump of mostly fatty compounds between our ears can know how the universe works.
A dog can know what a dog can know, which is limited
An ape can know what an ape can know, which is limited,
and a human can know what a human can know, which is unlimited? Seems we just took the potential for omnipotence and omniscience from god and claimed it for ourselves.
I probably have as much formal education as anyone here. Without particulars, it is substantial, and I am not young. I have seen a great many things, and what I have learned is that I know almost nothing, and will never know much more if I were immortal. My being limits who I can be.
I am that I am, and I simply don't know. Perhaps that is as good an explanation of agnosticism as any, however it in no way makes me right or wrong, nor superior to anyone else in their beliefs.
Athiesm is just as "illogical" as religion is.
The magic faries analogy is faulty because no one really believes it. You are a magic typing turtle. I can't prove it one way or another, however it is a trivial diversion.
Religion is something that people through the ages have believed and STILL believe, educated people and ignorant, rational and irrational. The athiest is not superior to these people. They still have a belief ABOUT god. They claim special knowlege. OK, so you "know" god doesn't exist, but you can't demonstrate how it is so.
Me? I don't know. I know what I would like to believe, however that is not the same as believing. Frankly, over time I am leaning towards those who believe. Am I right or wrong in this? I don't know, and neither do you.
I DO believe it is arrogant to claim to know or be able to objectively prove the existence of god one way or another. Key word here is objectively. If God doesnt want to be seen for god's reasons, then that is how it is.
What I also find just as arrogant as claming objective proof is the claim that we pitiful bits of carbon etc with a three pound lump of mostly fatty compounds between our ears can know how the universe works.
A dog can know what a dog can know, which is limited
An ape can know what an ape can know, which is limited,
and a human can know what a human can know, which is unlimited? Seems we just took the potential for omnipotence and omniscience from god and claimed it for ourselves.
I probably have as much formal education as anyone here. Without particulars, it is substantial, and I am not young. I have seen a great many things, and what I have learned is that I know almost nothing, and will never know much more if I were immortal. My being limits who I can be.
I am that I am, and I simply don't know. Perhaps that is as good an explanation of agnosticism as any, however it in no way makes me right or wrong, nor superior to anyone else in their beliefs.
Chebago
Senior member
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm pretty close to agnostic. I believe in God, but I don't differentiate between religions -- as far as I'm concerned, they're all pretty much the same and are all equally valid forms of spiritual expression (some exceptions for cults and mormons
Just out of curiosity, what is it you have against Mormons, specifically? I'm kinda curious about how much you really know about them and, no, I am not Mormon.
I've read a couple of books about Mormons Fundamentalists....they as a whole, are pretty messed up in a lot of ways.
Umm...the Mormon Fundamentalists are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, which you would call the Mormon church, calling them members of the Mormon church would be like calling Pentacostals Catholic or lumping all the churches with Jesus in the title as the same church...one big difference is that Mormon is a nickname for the LDS church, but it is part of the name of the Mormon Fundamentalists.
Chebago
Senior member
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm pretty close to agnostic. I believe in God, but I don't differentiate between religions -- as far as I'm concerned, they're all pretty much the same and are all equally valid forms of spiritual expression (some exceptions for cults and mormons
Just out of curiosity, what is it you have against Mormons, specifically? I'm kinda curious about how much you really know about them and, no, I am not Mormon.
I've read a couple of books about Mormons Fundamentalists....they as a whole, are pretty messed up in a lot of ways.
Umm...the Mormon Fundamentalists are not members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, which you would call the Mormon church, calling them members of the Mormon church would be like calling Pentacostals Catholic or lumping all the churches with Jesus in the title as the same church...one big difference is that Mormon is a nickname for the LDS church, but it is part of the name of the Mormon Fundamentalists.
huh? That makes no sense, unless...
Since people with their intellect created science, math and technolgoy and, in your opinion, God created our intellects? Therefore God created sceince, math and technology?
Mr. Lennon
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If there is a reason behind everything in this world and universe, what is the reason for you being here? I can see now that our society is constantly becoming more advance that people are turning athiest due to scientific views, but If you get down to the basic principles of science, a theory is not proven till evidence is shown. What theory has been proved factual that there is no god? Of course you can say the opposite, what evidence is there that there is a god?
I was raised as catholic and I am still today. The reason I have kept to my beliefs is because every time this issue has come up in science classes..etc, it has always come down to the conclusion that science has never proved to me that there is no god. Having the bible and witnessed miracles first hand has kept me bound to my religion. Athiests can attack that statement, feel free, but I have seen more proof that god is present than he is not.
I know there are people who suffer every day due to war, sickness, poverty, and crime. Why god lets these things happen is beyond me. In the end, we will all know the answer.
The only reason you think the fairy analogy is faulty is because the comparison is right on, and it's now staring you in the face, God is equal to faires. There is an equal amount of proof that supports fairies as does God, which is none. By your reasoning, if more people believed in faires, it would make them more real, correct? That's is the most absurd arguement I've heard in a while. The facts are, God doesn't exist until proven. It's not my job to prove there is NOT a God, it's your belief, so it then become your responsibilty to prove there IS a God. The burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, I can claim fairies, PeterPan, Big Foot, The Loch Ness Monster, Shrek, Alf, Santa Clause, and many other magical and fun creatures exist and say, "prove they DON'T exist." It simply doesn't work that way. Why? Because you can't disprove a negative. Like I said, the burden of proof is on you. You made it up, now you need to back it up. It's as simple as that.
I beg to differ. FAIRES made our science, mathematics, and technology, and our ability to comprehend all of it.
^
That sounds just as believable, right?
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