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Atheist files suit to remove "In God we trust" from money....
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DragonMasterAlex
Banned
Yeah, he's a nut in many areas, no question. That doesn't change that he's right about this particular topic, even if he really is wasting time and energy that should be spent on more important causes.
By the way: Screw Egalitarianism. The world's seen enough of that repressive evil for one species, thank you very much.
Jason
josepavento
Member
It personally doesn't bother me that much.
But, he does have a point. In this country, there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state. Same thing with the pledge.
If we as a country let this slide, where does it stop? Why should money get special treatment? We need to maintain the precedant of seperation between church and state. No matter how trivial the matter. If we start bending the laws, and the constitution.... the laws and constitution become useless and meaningless. If we start bending the rules, who decides where we stop bending them? How far will it go?
This country allows me to not believe in God. It's a wonderfull country, because I can make decisions like that. By having "In god we trust" on our money, the government is taking that right away from me. The constitution allows me to have the same rights as everyone else in our country, yet not in this case? I don't think so. Equal protection under the law, with no preference given to race, gender, or religous beliefs.
As trivial as it is to many of you, especially those who do believe in God, it is important to many other people and we must respect their constitutional rights.
But, he does have a point. In this country, there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state. Same thing with the pledge.
If we as a country let this slide, where does it stop? Why should money get special treatment? We need to maintain the precedant of seperation between church and state. No matter how trivial the matter. If we start bending the laws, and the constitution.... the laws and constitution become useless and meaningless. If we start bending the rules, who decides where we stop bending them? How far will it go?
This country allows me to not believe in God. It's a wonderfull country, because I can make decisions like that. By having "In god we trust" on our money, the government is taking that right away from me. The constitution allows me to have the same rights as everyone else in our country, yet not in this case? I don't think so. Equal protection under the law, with no preference given to race, gender, or religous beliefs.
As trivial as it is to many of you, especially those who do believe in God, it is important to many other people and we must respect their constitutional rights.
I help my church out with a fund raiser garage sale, ppl could come a donate ther crap then we would sell it and send the money to huricane releif. ONe guy came and was looking around but quickly realized it was a CHURCH event, then he looked at another guy there and said "Fvck God, Im an atheist." How can he say ****** God if he beleives he dont exist?
Well the dollar is getting old... but I also think it's silly how people take traditions like that so offensively. I mean we celebrate halloween still, but traditionally, halloween is pretty disgusting. Traditionally, almost all of the men who founded our nation attributed it's success to God, and the "separation of church and state" was not "established" then, it's a notion that people came up with afterwards, who deny they themselves have any sort of "religion". But ultimately, everyone has something that fills "religion" in their lives, and it's going to influence their actions in government, and printing money. If more Americans dislike seeing "in God we trust" then it probably be changed, because it would be a national lie!
However, I feel sorry for those people on days like 9/11
However, I feel sorry for those people on days like 9/11
BrokenVisage
Lifer
Still not in P&N eh?
Since every idiot comes up the separation of state from church argument, this notice goes out to the legislators who might consider the studity of deleting the phase "In God we trust"
1. Forget taking off any religious holidays, all christian, jewish or the like for example.
2. Forget taking oaths, because somebody said its not part of government. Imagine, perjury will be rampant, oh well, forget it, it maybe going on now, but not rampant.
3. Whatever anybody can add.......
1. Forget taking off any religious holidays, all christian, jewish or the like for example.
2. Forget taking oaths, because somebody said its not part of government. Imagine, perjury will be rampant, oh well, forget it, it maybe going on now, but not rampant.
3. Whatever anybody can add.......
BrokenVisage
Lifer
Meh, not as much as bible thumpers do, I'm all for removing the phrase since, yanno, religion is optional and money isn't.
As usual, the mere mention of God sends the athiests into a rage, hurling feces and screaming like howler monkeys.
It's interesting to note that the athiests push atheism on everyone else VASTLY more (and more rudely) than any Christian ever does.
As to America? It's quickly headed towards one of two directions:
1) A nation like Iraq where the population is duped into a mass "religion" where people blindly follow their leader and believe everything he says. People believing anything else are shunned or jailed.
2) A nation like old Russia or China, etc. - communist. God is forbidden and you're jailed for even mentioning it.
It's interesting to note that the athiests push atheism on everyone else VASTLY more (and more rudely) than any Christian ever does.
As to America? It's quickly headed towards one of two directions:
1) A nation like Iraq where the population is duped into a mass "religion" where people blindly follow their leader and believe everything he says. People believing anything else are shunned or jailed.
2) A nation like old Russia or China, etc. - communist. God is forbidden and you're jailed for even mentioning it.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
Humble Pie, while I agree with you about Christianity believing in multiple religions, I question the rigor of your post-secondary education. The phrase where you said something like "my mom converted to Jewish" pretty much was the icing on the cake for my dis-belief. Go ahead, search for the phrase "converted to Jewish" on google - a whopping total of 550 occurrences. If you include another search for "convert to Jewish," you'll get another 300 or so hits. Then, read what Google has found. In virtually every instance, "converted to Jewish" uses the word Jewish as an adjective, as in "converted to Jewish synagogues", "converted to Jewish use", "converted to Jewish mysticism..."
Maybe I'm overly skeptical. However, I find it incredulous that anyone who has attended a post-secondary institution would write the preceding paragraph. Furthermore, I find myself in disbelief that someone who has taken "four years of theology" at a Catholic college would ever say, type, or write the phrase "my mom converted to Jewish." Quite frankly, the preceding paragraph sounds more like a 14 year old's rant and attempt to assert that he has more knowledge than everyone else.
Everyone can take delight in realizing that even if you DID attend college for four years, you certainly didn't pay much attention. However, they would unfortunately need to temper that delight with the knowledge that you were, in fact, almost correct. In the Christian religion, the Trinity is singular. It isn't more than one God. But, if you study the history of Christianity, and read the existing texts from the times when Christianity was beginning, you will discover that Christianity doesn't say "There is only one God." Christianity essentially says, "our God is the Supreme God. If you worship the other Gods, he'll come down and spank you and your inferior Gods." (I stated it that way for a bit of levity. The essential thought is there though.) However, over the centuries since, only one God is worshipped and the other gods have been completely removed from the religion.
I'll leave it up to others to do a bit of googling. I'm sure there are plenty of other scholarly sources on the World Wide Web which agree.
edit: I bolded instead of quoted the questionable paragraph.
Maybe I'm overly skeptical. However, I find it incredulous that anyone who has attended a post-secondary institution would write the preceding paragraph. Furthermore, I find myself in disbelief that someone who has taken "four years of theology" at a Catholic college would ever say, type, or write the phrase "my mom converted to Jewish." Quite frankly, the preceding paragraph sounds more like a 14 year old's rant and attempt to assert that he has more knowledge than everyone else.
Everyone can take delight in realizing that even if you DID attend college for four years, you certainly didn't pay much attention. However, they would unfortunately need to temper that delight with the knowledge that you were, in fact, almost correct. In the Christian religion, the Trinity is singular. It isn't more than one God. But, if you study the history of Christianity, and read the existing texts from the times when Christianity was beginning, you will discover that Christianity doesn't say "There is only one God." Christianity essentially says, "our God is the Supreme God. If you worship the other Gods, he'll come down and spank you and your inferior Gods." (I stated it that way for a bit of levity. The essential thought is there though.) However, over the centuries since, only one God is worshipped and the other gods have been completely removed from the religion.
I'll leave it up to others to do a bit of googling. I'm sure there are plenty of other scholarly sources on the World Wide Web which agree.
edit: I bolded instead of quoted the questionable paragraph.
mercanucaribe
Banned
What the hell does 9/11 have to do with anything? Are you a terrorist? It does make sense, because Al Qaeda is a religious organization that loves to see "In God We Trust" on money.
Thank you for bestowing us your superior knowledge, oh non-idiot one.
My employer grants religious holidays, not the government. Christmas has really become a consumer whore fest than a religious thing. Does the government and employers not allow other religious beliefs to get custome holidays? I don't know, but if they don't then there does need to be change.
Oaths? Swearing before God? Honestly, does that do anything?
Sweeping generalizations and insults. That'll make the opponents look retarded, thus making your argument automatically better!
Atheists are not pushing anything on anyone. I personally don't care enough to make a change, but something referencing God should not be on something paid for by all people's taxes. The atheists are responding to an intrusion by certain religious people in the government. No atheist is forcing Christians to do anything, other than remove dogma from public property.
I've never seen atheists push anything on anyone. I've seen Christians try to push their "morals" on everybody else with gay marriage and abortion, and the ten commandments.
If your definition of pushing beliefs on someone is by removing religious references on government property paid for by people of all types of faiths...then sure, they're bastards whatever.
Some Christians (or so they claim), are forcing their lifestyles on large groups of other people. That's fine. But take God away from money...that's just fvcking terrible LOL
The Godfather
Platinum Member
LMAO
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