Atheism in a year

[Bacardi151]

Originally posted by: bamacre

I don't know, that's an old, and unfortunately, unanswered question. But I will ask this, how can you expect to learn about something as complex as God in 10 minutes? Have you ever learned a programming language? Or a foreign language?

so how long did it take you? and how did you learn about something as complex as God. besides separation of church and state do you know why public schools does not teach creationism/intelligent design? because if that was the case courses that teaches the existance of UFOs and aliens started human life might just be as applicable as well.

Originally posted by: bamacre

BTW, I believe in evolution, it's does not conflict with my understanding of God.

you believe in evolution because you cannot disprove that it actually occurs. however, you most likely either do not fully comprehend evolution or the bible, because they do conflict. seing that an essential part of evolution says we evolved from apes...whereas the bible says we were created in the image of God, then you most likely think God is an ape.


PS

malak, i read through the first few pages and....really....even if you're not trying to convince anybody of your beliefs, try at least come out less of an imbecile with all that jibberish, you keep saying things without any proof.

for example

In fact, there are lots of instances of evidence supporting the belief in God, all across the world. There has been a scientific study on prayer which shows there is a part of the brain only activated through prayer

ok you said lots of evidence, yet you only state one without any proof of it. for what its worth, it could just be something you pulled out of your arse, seeing this is not a study many are familiar with, perhaps give us a name for this study? the year the research was made?

Well, I have more proof that God exists than that you exist.

i've seen all types of denials, this has to be the biggest joke of them all.

95% of the world disagrees with you.

ignorant number to throw out there. we both know it's not 95%

No, that's not what I mean by proof at all. The bible is no proof of anything, by itself. Neither is any history book

then what proof are you talking about? we have yet to see any type of proof coming from you, if any.

in conclusion, this ONLY applies to you malak

You don't have any facts at all, simply ignorance. Your lack of understand, lack of study, and lack of any real experience leaves you less than a student, and clearly not in any position to make any statements

 

[Bacardi151]

Originally posted by: asm0deus

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: asm0deus

At the heart of this is that while most believe there is a god and have their belief go unchallenged (even by themselves), the belief in the converse - that there isn't one - gets people called all kinds of neat names This double standard, followed yet unseen by everyone, really is sad... it says so much about human stupidity.

that is the searching and studying i mentioned, i challenge it everyday and many days i give up, and leave it as it was. most certainly it is more foolish to not search, and to not study. like i said it's a revelation of your laziness, to just say 'i don't feel it' everyday. i'd rather be on the other side, where i try to feel it and to understand it, and sometimes i actually do. I actually see why things are the way they are, and the science of it fits perfectly into the spirituality of it. at least i am trying, at least my words hold the weight of attempt at it rather than the weight of contempt of it. but i dont know how you weigh your words, i keep my words close to my heart, perhaps your words have never seen your heart. good luck with that

Lol, cute. Personally I see how it's all a farce & what it has done for us, both good & bad. I see why it may indeed have been necessary at a certain point, or at least necessary for us to have advanced as quickly as we did. But that's beside the point really.

You essentially paraphrased your earlier post, doing an excellent job of maintaining the condescending tone I might add. After I called you on it :laugh: Some people are truly hopeless.

it really is easier to critique others than it is to post something original of your own isn't it? another revelation of your laziness i suppose. though i've already predicted the end to those series of revelations, atheism takes alot less than a year to figure out... :laugh:

keyword in your earlier post is "trying". alas you are trying too hard to see it a specific way, thus you are left with your narrow minded view.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: asm0deus
it really is easier to critique others than it is to post something original of your own isn't it? another revelation of your laziness i suppose. though i've already predicted the end to those series of revelations, atheism takes alot less than a year to figure out... :laugh:

Lol, more hypocrisy! This is great, keep it up Aside from the obvious; criticizing me for what you claim is criticizing others, you put down a belief which has received so much thought and grown within me - fueled by logic, not "what I feel" - over the course of a lifetime likely twice as long as your own as being something a lazy person comes up with, which "takes less than a year to figure out" I generally don't namecall, as it's immature under most circumstances - but in this case I think it's quite fitting - you are a grade-A idiot. You're a shining example of everything wrong with religions and why many followers, christians in particular, have such a reputation for arrogance & hypocrisy. That you can't see it just adds to the fun, it's like a perpetual stupidity machine :laugh:

 

[ComatoseDelirium]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: ComatoseDelirium
Your a moron.

You just pwn3d yourself.

heh why cause I didn't say you're? gah.

 

[asm0deus]

Originally posted by: Bacardi151

Originally posted by: asm0deus

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: asm0deus

At the heart of this is that while most believe there is a god and have their belief go unchallenged (even by themselves), the belief in the converse - that there isn't one - gets people called all kinds of neat names This double standard, followed yet unseen by everyone, really is sad... it says so much about human stupidity.

that is the searching and studying i mentioned, i challenge it everyday and many days i give up, and leave it as it was. most certainly it is more foolish to not search, and to not study. like i said it's a revelation of your laziness, to just say 'i don't feel it' everyday. i'd rather be on the other side, where i try to feel it and to understand it, and sometimes i actually do. I actually see why things are the way they are, and the science of it fits perfectly into the spirituality of it. at least i am trying, at least my words hold the weight of attempt at it rather than the weight of contempt of it. but i dont know how you weigh your words, i keep my words close to my heart, perhaps your words have never seen your heart. good luck with that

Lol, cute. Personally I see how it's all a farce & what it has done for us, both good & bad. I see why it may indeed have been necessary at a certain point, or at least necessary for us to have advanced as quickly as we did. But that's beside the point really.

You essentially paraphrased your earlier post, doing an excellent job of maintaining the condescending tone I might add. After I called you on it :laugh: Some people are truly hopeless.

it really is easier to critique others than it is to post something original of your own isn't it? another revelation of your laziness i suppose. though i've already predicted the end to those series of revelations, atheism takes alot less than a year to figure out... :laugh:

keyword in your earlier post is "trying". alas you are trying too hard to see it a specific way, thus you are left with your narrow minded view.

im not sure you'd be the person to qualify my trying. I study more than 5 religions so obviously narrowness isn't my main concern, im more concerned with quality over quantity. I found the study of religion to very directly be the study of everything. This study will never end, because things are almays being made and changing. We are all bound to viewing things in our own way, that's part of the reason we are here and it's also the reason we are all so unique. Personally I prefer a broad foundation of sources, but like I said, the quality of them interests me more than the quantity. Quantity is compressible, you can potentially summarize a book into a chapter, a chapter into a paragraph and a paragraph into a sentence. Quality is multidimensional, it can multiply the meaning of a sentence by the power of a lifetime. If I were to pick my failure and share it with you, it wouldn't be my narrowmindedness, it would be my inability to explain things in a way you would appreciate. I'll study every science and art eventually, but the hardest part is balancing them all and finding some sort of a social life in between. In truth, i'll probably just be on the computer and watching TV, screw the studies gurck is right, ignorance is bliss.

 

[asm0deus]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: asm0deus
it really is easier to critique others than it is to post something original of your own isn't it? another revelation of your laziness i suppose. though i've already predicted the end to those series of revelations, atheism takes alot less than a year to figure out... :laugh:

Lol, more hypocrisy! This is great, keep it up Aside from the obvious; criticizing me for what you claim is criticizing others, you put down a belief which has received so much thought and grown within me - fueled by logic, not "what I feel" - over the course of a lifetime likely twice as long as your own as being something a lazy person comes up with, which "takes less than a year to figure out" I generally don't namecall, as it's immature under most circumstances - but in this case I think it's quite fitting - you are a grade-A idiot. You're a shining example of everything wrong with religions and why many followers, christians in particular, have such a reputation for arrogance & hypocrisy. That you can't see it just adds to the fun, it's like a perpetual stupidity machine :laugh:

wow something to actually reply to, i didnt know you had it in you. i wish i could see the logic of your atheism, but its so hard to see through the stench cloud that is your ignorance. I may be an idiot but you're a troll. In the worst way, where you assume a sickness in my mind to forget the trollness that you are. It's cool though cause I can smell you 3 threads over and knew before I came that this was troll central. You don't know me, and you don't know what religion I am. I mentioned Buddhism which I wonder if you even knew that they were atheists, did you know that? because at this point I don't even really know what I am talking to, it's either a troll clown or a an old man who logicized himself into a corner not worth leaving.

"logic will get you from A to B, imagination takes you anywhere" -einstein

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Lol, more hypocrisy!

Originally posted by: asm0deus
screw the studies gurck is right, ignorance is bliss.

Originally posted by: asm0deus
You don't know me, and you don't know what religion I am.

The gift that keeps on giving

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: asm0deus

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: asm0deus
it really is easier to critique others than it is to post something original of your own isn't it? another revelation of your laziness i suppose. though i've already predicted the end to those series of revelations, atheism takes alot less than a year to figure out... :laugh:

Lol, more hypocrisy! This is great, keep it up Aside from the obvious; criticizing me for what you claim is criticizing others, you put down a belief which has received so much thought and grown within me - fueled by logic, not "what I feel" - over the course of a lifetime likely twice as long as your own as being something a lazy person comes up with, which "takes less than a year to figure out" I generally don't namecall, as it's immature under most circumstances - but in this case I think it's quite fitting - you are a grade-A idiot. You're a shining example of everything wrong with religions and why many followers, christians in particular, have such a reputation for arrogance & hypocrisy. That you can't see it just adds to the fun, it's like a perpetual stupidity machine :laugh:

wow something to actually reply to, i didnt know you had it in you. i wish i could see the logic of your atheism, but its so hard to see through the stench cloud that is your ignorance. I may be an idiot but you're a troll. In the worst way, where you assume a sickness in my mind to forget the trollness that you are. It's cool though cause I can smell you 3 threads over and knew before I came that this was troll central. You don't know me, and you don't know what religion I am. I mentioned Buddhism which I wonder if you even knew that they were atheists, did you know that? because at this point I don't even really know what I am talking to, it's either a troll clown or a an old man who logicized himself into a corner not worth leaving.

"logic will get you from A to B, imagination takes you anywhere" -einstein

Actually Buddhism, the traditional Buddhism that developed from India, is definitely NOT atheistic. There are plenty of religious supernatural beings that are integral to Buddhist cannon. There has been a trend in the west to slough off the more.. "religious" aspects of Buddhism including religious figures as such as an attempt to distance themselves from Christianity, but in the end the true root of Buddhism is definitely NOT athesitic

 

[asm0deus]

Originally posted by: Mo0o

Originally posted by: asm0deus

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: asm0deus
it really is easier to critique others than it is to post something original of your own isn't it? another revelation of your laziness i suppose. though i've already predicted the end to those series of revelations, atheism takes alot less than a year to figure out... :laugh:

Lol, more hypocrisy! This is great, keep it up Aside from the obvious; criticizing me for what you claim is criticizing others, you put down a belief which has received so much thought and grown within me - fueled by logic, not "what I feel" - over the course of a lifetime likely twice as long as your own as being something a lazy person comes up with, which "takes less than a year to figure out" I generally don't namecall, as it's immature under most circumstances - but in this case I think it's quite fitting - you are a grade-A idiot. You're a shining example of everything wrong with religions and why many followers, christians in particular, have such a reputation for arrogance & hypocrisy. That you can't see it just adds to the fun, it's like a perpetual stupidity machine :laugh:

wow something to actually reply to, i didnt know you had it in you. i wish i could see the logic of your atheism, but its so hard to see through the stench cloud that is your ignorance. I may be an idiot but you're a troll. In the worst way, where you assume a sickness in my mind to forget the trollness that you are. It's cool though cause I can smell you 3 threads over and knew before I came that this was troll central. You don't know me, and you don't know what religion I am. I mentioned Buddhism which I wonder if you even knew that they were atheists, did you know that? because at this point I don't even really know what I am talking to, it's either a troll clown or a an old man who logicized himself into a corner not worth leaving.

"logic will get you from A to B, imagination takes you anywhere" -einstein

Actually Buddhism, the traditional Buddhism that developed from India, is definitely NOT atheistic. There are plenty of religious supernatural beings that are integral to Buddhist cannon. There has been a trend in the west to slough off the more.. "religious" aspects of Buddhism including religious figures as such as an attempt to distance themselves from Christianity, but in the end the true root of Buddhism is definitely NOT athesitic

yeah it depends on where/when you look. i was just offering an alternative for gurck, since I know he wanted to think he had me pinned as a christian evangelist, either way, im not very satisifed with his responses and probably wont be able to go into buddhism further.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: asm0deus
yeah it depends on where/when you look. i was just offering an alternative for gurck, since I know he wanted to think he had me pinned as a christian evangelist, either way, im not very satisifed with his responses and probably wont be able to go into buddhism further.

I never claimed to have you pinned as anything but the pompous hypocritical kid you are.

 

[Mo0o]

Gurck give it a rest man, you talk about evangelical Christians being overbearing and annoying but seems like you're being just as much of a douche except you're on the other side.

 

[asm0deus]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: asm0deus
yeah it depends on where/when you look. i was just offering an alternative for gurck, since I know he wanted to think he had me pinned as a christian evangelist, either way, im not very satisifed with his responses and probably wont be able to go into buddhism further.

I never claimed to have you pinned as anything but the pompous hypocritical kid you are.

i guess we're done, wish i could have said it in a way that could have brought something better out in you, but my guess is that it never existed.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
Gurck give it a rest man, you talk about evangelical Christians being overbearing and annoying but seems like you're being just as much of a douche except you're on the other side.

For wanting equality? Yep, how dare I? :roll:

 

[sao123]

For wanting equality? Yep, how dare I?

that funny, because your idea of equality is that all the worlds religions would cease to exist in favor of your own philosophy that no God exists.

I think all you aethists are hypocritical, because you are complaining how the religious people try to Christianize you in some way, yet here you are trying to convince everyone to become aethiest. You're no better than those who you afflict with your insults.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: sao123
that funny, because your idea of equality is that all the worlds religions would cease to exist in favor of your own philosophy that no God exists.

Link to where I said this? Oh wait, there is none - you have to put words in my mouth to have an argument

I only want the same liberties christians have. How many here have called me names or otherwise put me down while telling the OP of the Campus Crusade thread that if he didn't want to hear it, it was his own fault for listening? That the girl in question in said thread was only trying to help? Do you not see the hypocrisy?

Further, follow the thread before slinging insults. In addition to an invite to serious discussion, this thread was also an experiment (one which was quite successful in proving that most people are idiotic, hypocritical assholes) and a half-facetious answer to the bible-spewing thread. I wouldn't even have posted if not for a slip of the mouse when I didnt' even have a sentence written. All stuff you'd know had you read before responding :roll:

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: asm0deus
I guess we're done, wish i could have said it in a way that could have brought something better out in you, but my guess is that it never existed.

Nor in you, if we're looking at it in that light. Take heart though, you're what... 14? Perhaps in time you'll lose the edge off your ridiculously huge ego and discuss rather than patronize. Till then...

 

[InfuriatedGerm]

Religion, Currently the worlds oldest game of Chinese Whispers....still being played today.

 

[frankie38]

I believe you are making a case for being agnostic. Is that what you are really trying to say.

 

[cquark]

Another thing about the Bible, is that it was written so that men 5000 years ago could understand it.

It's only about half that age. The authors of the Bible were bronze-age barbarians, not stone age barbarians. (-;

 

[aznman]

have u every considered that god is trying to test u? every human has a mind and free will. and since u dont beleive in anything, why not kill urself and make the world a better place? u have nothing to loose but ur life which is worthless to u.

 

[asm0deus]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: asm0deus
I guess we're done, wish i could have said it in a way that could have brought something better out in you, but my guess is that it never existed.

Nor in you, if we're looking at it in that light. Take heart though, you're what... 14? Perhaps in time you'll lose the edge off your ridiculously huge ego and discuss rather than patronize. Till then...

it's not the ego that has the edge, it's the certainty. and it only wounds you because your voice lacks it. i just turned 25, not that it matters to you. the texts i read are hidden from your eyes, for good reason. even if they were in front of you you would never read them. have you ever studied religion? what made you stop? did your parents instill your doubts or was it self chosen? i dont really care, but if you haven't then you're the one who is projecting his problems on others. which i suspect is your primary downfall. perhaps the cloudy doubting doom you feel is not as shared as you think.

 

[meltdown75]

oh boy. can't keep my damn trap shut when i see this sh!t.

Gurck why do you always resort to telling people you think they're 14/15? What does age have to do with anything?

This thread is nothing more than, "Come on in and get bashed." It's not even debate. It's just you vs. the world. You don't even entertain that others *might* have a point, not even for a SECOND. And it's so lame how you only quote tiny peices of people's responses. All that does is show your inability to debate. You concentrate on little tidbits you can attack, nothing more. You see the opening and dive right in. People try to be respectful of your views but you can't give them the same respect in return.

This thread isn't about proving atheism or anything else for that matter. It's Gurck's bashfest. Instead of inviting us in for 'debate', why don't you prove YOUR point of view so WE can bash YOU? Oh forget it, it doesn't work that way. I think you're just trying too hard to reach lifer status, honestly I don't believe you care that much about this debate. You just want the posts any way you can get them and the more ire you stir up, the easier it is for you to rack up the numbers.

It is strikingly obvious that someone such as asmodeus is so much more respectful and willing to entertain debate than yourself. Alas, he has discovered, like I have, that there's no winning with you. It's like talking to a fvcking wall.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

Originally posted by: malak

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
Why does religion prevail? I think every needs something to believe in. Whether its the Biblical God, math, shoelaces or jellybeans. Everybody needs to have faith. Without faith, life is empty. So why attack religion if it hasn't done anything bad to you? Why try to convince people God doesn't exist? Just let them have faith in something.

I'm sure the OP has faith is SOMETHING. Everybody does.

He has faith in that he will die one day and cease to exist. Pretty depressing if you ask me.

Right. So why can't we just let everyone believe what they want? I'm not saying I do or don't believe in God, but let's just let everyone have their own beliefs if they help them live a better life.

That's a good question...so why did we have to open a thread to ask that question? Man, these religion threads piss me off...I used to like them, but as a Christian, I'm tired of arguing with people who will never be convinced...

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
People try to be respectful of your views

:laugh: I'll allow that you have actually tried, but most haven't. That you think they have while I haven't just shows your own bias; your underlying opinion that atheists need to be open and understanding to what you must consider the true belief, while christians need not be because their belief is, to you, the truth already. Have you ever considered that a belief in no deity should perhaps command the same tolerance and respect as an opinion that belief in a deity does?

If nothing else, please answer this question: Why is it ok for a christian to evangelize (it's their true belief, they honestly believe they're trying to help, etc - I've heard all the reasons) while it's trolling & being intolerant if an atheist does?

I quote tidbits because it makes for a leaner, more readable post and leaves no doubt as to which comment or idea I'm responding to. Any curiosity about the full post can be satisfied by simply scrolling up. I try never to take anyone out of context, but if you feel I did please bring it up.

It is strikingly obvious that someone such as asmodeus is so much more respectful and willing to entertain debate than yourself. Alas, he has discovered, like I have, that there's no winning with you. It's like talking to a fvcking wall.

See above...

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: asm0deus
it's not the ego that has the edge, it's the certainty. and it only wounds you because your voice lacks it.

I've been called a lot of things, but unsure isn't one of them. I'd wager I'm far more sure in my beliefs than you are. Actually, your self-contradiction (telling me I'm too stubborn to look at anything else, then telling me I'm unsure of myself), in addition to your huge ego (you must think you're a god yourself for having studied religion, you've brought it up no fewer than five times) belies your own fragile ego & religious uncertainty.

the texts i read are hidden from your eyes, for good reason

6 times What reason, btw?

even if they were in front of you you would never read them. have you ever studied religion? what made you stop? did your parents instill your doubts or was it self chosen?

I see no reason to read fiction unless I enjoy it. I see nothing enjoyable about your suggested reading. FWIW I was raised casually roman catholic, but it just never made any sense to me. I surmise I'm missing the religion gene(s).

you're the one who is projecting his problems on others. which i suspect is your primary downfall. perhaps the cloudy doubting doom you feel is not as shared as you think.

I am? All I'd like is for a thread spouting atheism to be taken the same was as one spouting christianity. My experiment has proven this can't be because peoples' perception of reality is too clouded by their belief. Being discriminated against by an arrogant majority sucks.

Also see my above response to sao123 on why this thread exists - odd that you stroke your ego at every opportunity by letting us know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that you read - yet apparently did no more than skim over the OP