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ch33zw1z said:
Christians don't care if you collect stamps. But they sure care if you don't believe the same thing as them.
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As do many atheists, who very vocally want everyone to convert to their "non"-religion.

That's why I self identify as an agnostic rather than an atheist. I don't know if there's a god, and more importantly I don't care. I'm not going to try to convince anybody else that there's no god. But quite a few atheists will go out of there way to convince theists that god doesn't exist. These atheists can't tolerate people believing differently than them.

Edit: I'll give you one thing, and that is that Christians themselves may have helped push atheists toward a religious-like zealotry, with their intolerance of atheism. But atheists didn't have to pick up that ball and run with it. They could have simply ignored the braying asses.
 
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BoberFett said:
As do many atheists, who very vocally want everyone to convert to their "non"-religion.

That's why I self identify as an agnostic rather than an atheist. I don't know if there's a god, and more importantly I don't care. I'm not going to try to convince anybody else that there's no god.
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Same here

BoberFett said:
But quite a few atheists will go out of there way to convince theists that god doesn't exist. These atheists can't tolerate people believing differently than them.
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Yes, and to that I say good. If that's your conviction, and you feel that strongly about it, then go for it. People with religious conviction have no qualms about it either. Dish it out, take it back.

Although, I've yet to have an Atheist come to my door, stop me in the street, approach my car while I'm at a stop light, or stuff along that lines. I can that Christians have done all three of those things.

BoberFett said:
Edit: I'll give you one thing, and that is that Christians themselves may have helped push atheists toward a religious-like zealotry, with their intolerance of atheism. But atheists didn't have to pick up that ball and run with it. They could have simply ignored the braying asses.
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While I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, in reality ignoring it won't make them go away.
 
Retro Rob said:
Atheism is supposed to be the complete opposite of religion, and we're not talking about "loads of things".

If atheists would stop criticizing certain aspects of religion (preaching, televangelizing, singing,...,....
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I have never heard an Atheist criticizing these things, ever.
 
ch33zw1z said:
While I agree with the spirit of what you're saying, in reality ignoring it won't make them go away.
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Science has been lessening the impact of religion for a long time. And it has done so through education, not in behaving like their opposition. That conversion away from religion might not be happening as fast as atheists like, but I do believe it has been a while since we burned any witches here in the US... 😛
 
BoberFett said:
Science has been lessening the impact of religion for a long time. And it has done so through education, not in behaving like their opposition. That conversion away from religion might not be happening as fast as atheists like, but I do believe it has been a while since we burned any witches here in the US... 😛
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I don't think Atheists had anything to do with moving away from burning witches. I get your point though!
 
BoberFett said:
You're pretty dim.

Atheists frequently complain about being oppressed.

But strangely I have yet to hear about anyone complain about being oppressed because they don't collect stamps.
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I'm sure some have used the term oppressed, whatever, but I think you're really fucking dim by trying to make the minor squabbles by a relatively small number of people, citing the separation of church and state more often than not, as somehow analogous to the strangely common notion that there is an active war on religion, specifically christianity, a perception advocated continually by this country's most popular "news" channel (by viewership) and the politicians it caters to. You literally cannot go a single day without hearing christian victim complex on either talk radio or networks like Fox.

I love how now we've moved from TV station owning status, to complaining, as qualifications for a genuine religion. Oh my.
 
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IronWing said:
Trinity is a trainwreck I can watch over and over. It's like Jim and Tammy Faye on acid.
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The broadcast antenna for that outfit is on a mountain top about 2 miles to the southeast from me. It and Fox are all I can get with an antenna. Cable is a necessity.
 
This guy is hosting:
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Atheism isn't a common interest or a form of entertainment. I think by atheism they actually mean anti-religious.
 
kage69 said:
I'm sure some have used the term oppressed, whatever, but I think you're really fucking dim by trying to make the minor squabbles by a relatively small number of people, citing the separation of church and state more often than not, as somehow analogous to the strangely common notion that there is an active war on religion, specifically christianity, a perception advocated continually by this country's most popular "news" channel (by viewership) and the politicians it caters to. You literally cannot go a single day without hearing christian victim complex on either talk radio or networks like Fox.

I love how now we've moved from TV station owning status, to complaining, as qualifications for a genuine religion. Oh my.
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Your tears sustain me.
 
It could be interesting to watch depending on what they air and how "fresh" they keep the content. I could see watching the channel for historical and current event purposes. But like ch33zw1z and others I'm agnostic; I'm not into the extremist views of any tangent.
 
alzan said:
It could be interesting to watch depending on what they air and how "fresh" they keep the content. I could see watching the channel for historical and current event purposes. But like ch33zw1z and others I'm agnostic; I'm not into the extremist views of any tangent.
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Is it "extremist" to merely state and explain why one does not believe in a god?
 
sandorski said:
Is it "extremist" to merely state and explain why one does not believe in a god?
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Only if you want to run for public office in this country. Yea, Christians are victims.

Edit: What the hell did the patch fix do to IE 11 I got no backup arrow to get out of this!
 
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sandorski said:
Is it "extremist" to merely state and explain why one does not believe in a god?
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Not at all. If asked in a reasonable manner or as a conversational topic I think most people are willing to state their views on non-belief or belief.

I view conversion attempts or preaching as extremist. (No I don't consider an atheism channel or it's host(s) as preaching.)
 
BoberFett said:
Your tears sustain me.
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Hey look, another stellar example of your observational skills! I suppose it's a good thing that we both benefit from the laughter your ignorance and immaturity produce.

Ironically I find your 'tail between legs, frightened to back up your own views' behavior quite nourishing myself, so thank you for that.
 
alzan said:
It could be interesting to watch depending on what they air and how "fresh" they keep the content. I could see watching the channel for historical and current event purposes. But like ch33zw1z and others I'm agnostic; I'm not into the extremist views of any tangent.
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They should team up with NOVA, the Smithsonian, etc. I could see them become a home for a lot of good evolutionary biology content. Maybe have a basic principles show for religious types tuning in for shits and giggles. Something like that might have a chance at getting christians to understand the how bad they fail when they get indignant over their popular "you think we came from monkeys!!" accusation/retort (as an example).
 
BoberFett said:
As do many atheists, who very vocally want everyone to convert to their "non"-religion.
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I doubt an atheist wants anyone to convert to anything period, that's one of the dumbest things I've every read in a post.

How frigging stupid.

That's like someone saying the people that can breathe air want the people that chose to hold their breathe every 30 seconds for some reason that's unexplainable would like to see you stop it and act normal.

If you want to keep doing it, have at it and keep on explaining your justification to everyone else.

*shrug*

I'd be interested to see what they'd even put on the channel.

Science shows like someone posted earlier I'd imagine, in the off hours.
 
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kage69 said:
They should team up with NOVA, the Smithsonian, etc. I could see them become a home for a lot of good evolutionary biology content. Maybe have a basic principles show for religious types tuning in for shits and giggles. Something like that might have a chance at getting christians to understand the how bad they fail when they get indignant over their popular "you think we came from monkeys!!" accusation/retort (as an example).
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I'd rather that they not get confrontational with theistic viewers; although reasoned discussions between atheists/theists would be interesting.

Joint projects with other channels or organizations are an idea but I think would be prone to deviate from atheism as subject matter.
 
I think this whole idiocy about "neackbearded, fedora wearing atheists who are butthurt" because they want a voice in the community where religion already has a LOT of representation is taking things a bit far.

I am an agnostic too, just like Richard Dawkins.
 
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