At the dealership. Buying my first bike!

[StageLeft]

When I bought my bike they had tacked on a delivery fee, an assembly fee, plus tax, title and license, this was listed on the tag on the handlebars in the showroom. Of course, I didn't pay any of those fees but I'm sure there are plenty of people who do.

I talked to a guy I know who works in the parts department at that dealership and he told me of a Marine who came in to buy a Yamaha R1 and ended up getting everything they offer, plus gear and paid over $20k for it when all was said and done...stupid squids.

In this market you could probably work a hell of a deal though without too much hassle.

Nothing is sadder than an army guy making chump change salary but when he comes back from tour throws all he has into some nice car. All that fvcking time in the desert and he has a decent car out of it.

 

[GhettoPeanut]

Nonsense. Trial by fire. The best riders are self-taught. Give them a bike, the more CC the better. Most people have a natural feel for motorbikes and schools tend to train this out of them.

Pretty arrogant and I'm gonna go ahead and say your wrong. Take any person, put them on a bike, and they're not gonna go a damn inch, or they're gonna kill themselves. someone, at some point, has to teach them about the mechanics of its functionality.

 

[SearchMaster]

Pretty arrogant and I'm gonna go ahead and say your wrong. Take any person, put them on a bike, and they're not gonna go a damn inch, or they're gonna kill themselves. someone, at some point, has to teach them about the mechanics of its functionality.

***Taps GhettoPeanut's meter...not Skoorb-calibrated

 

[SpatiallyAware]

FBB

Aren't you a photographer? Do you have health insurance?? If not - get it ASAP.... A very small drop with some road rash will add up REALLY quickly after the ambulance ride and ER visit.


And it's never a good subject to talk about, but make sure your life insurance policy, DNR, and organ donor stuff is setup.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Pretty arrogant and I'm gonna go ahead and say you're wrong. Take any person, put them on a bike, and they're not gonna go a damn inch, or they're gonna kill themselves. someone, at some point, has to teach them about the mechanics of its functionality.

Your sarcasm meter is broken...

 

[PhoKingGuy]

FBB

Aren't you a photographer? Do you have health insurance?? If not - get it ASAP.... A very small drop with some road rash will add up REALLY quickly after the ambulance ride and ER visit.


And it's never a good subject to talk about, but make sure your life insurance policy, DNR, and organ donor stuff is setup.

When I enrolled for my health insurance post college they asked me if I had a motorcycle license, lol.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Most bike dealers do this. And you can negotiate any of those fees down to generally zero. When I bought my bike in 2008 (yes, I bought it new) they listed the price as $5,999 (which was the MSRP of my bike). I told them I'd pay $6,300 OTD because I could literally drive up to OTD Cycle Sports in Orange County and pay exactly that for the same bike out the door. The dealer balked and kept coming back with prices thousands of dollars over the price OTD quoted me but they finally came down to $6,500 so I bought it from them.

Do NOT get any of the bullshit they offer you in the finance department either. This is pure profit for the dealer and is never worth it. I paid quite literally $6,500 for my bike OTD which is basically MSRP plus tax, title, and license. No delivery fees, no assembly fees...none of the bullshit they try to sell you in the finance department (and I didn't finance my bike through them).

Oh, and NEVER finance gear on top of your bike loan or you'll be upside down in it until you pay it off.

Wait, so am I actually getting a good deal???

Base *listing* Price: 2,999
Freight: 595
Handling: 565
Documentation, Tires, License: 186
Tax: 334.76

Total: 4680.26

The MSRP of the Ninja is $3999, so using your formula of OTD = MSRP + Tax + Title + License it would be 3,999 + $370 + $186 = $4555. If they drop an additional $200 off of their $4680 price, to make it $4480, then I should be getting a good deal, right?

 

[madeuce]

Nothing is sadder than an army guy making chump change salary but when he comes back from tour throws all he has into some nice car. All that fvcking time in the desert and he has a decent car out of it.

I don't think the "army guy" you're talking about feels half as sad as you do lol. I know quite a few Marines that spend their time in Iraq, save some money. It's not unheard of for a single Marine to do a tour, get a re-enlistment bonus tax-free and come back with $75,000 in the bank. I know quite a few that have come back and bought themselves a nice car, nice bike, whatever. They earned it and they enjoy it and they have something to show for it. More power to them.

When I was in the USMC I spent most of my money on beer and women. Just wasted the rest.

Wait, so am I actually getting a good deal???

Base *listing* Price: 2,999
Freight: 595
Handling: 565
Documentation, Tires, License: 186
Tax: 334.76

Total: 4680.26

The MSRP of the Ninja is $3999, so using your formula of OTD = MSRP + Tax + Title + License it would be 3,999 + $370 + $186 = $4555. If they drop an additional $200 off of their $4680 price, to make it $4480, then I should be getting a good deal, right?

You could have probably find a dealership that would knock off the freight and handling completely. If you get a 2008 or 2009 you could get a hefty discount off MSRP too.

I got my 09 ZX6R brand new after the 2010s were out. Was a few hundred dollars lower than MSRP OTD. But dealerships need to make money too, I personally don't feel bad if I can't talk them down to the bottom dollar, everyone's kids need to eat.

 

[Greenman]

Wait, so am I actually getting a good deal???

Base *listing* Price: 2,999
Freight: 595
Handling: 565
Documentation, Tires, License: 186
Tax: 334.76

Total: 4680.26

The MSRP of the Ninja is $3999, so using your formula of OTD = MSRP + Tax + Title + License it would be 3,999 + $370 + $186 = $4555. If they drop an additional $200 off of their $4680 price, to make it $4480, then I should be getting a good deal, right?

Send the salesmen an email, tell him you'll pay 4k out the door. If they won't do it then walk.

 

[Tristicus]

I got infracted for calling him a troll in another thread and nothing here for others...

:hmm:

None of your infractions are for calling anyone a "troll".

Zenmervolt - AnandTech Moderator

 

[grrl]

I got infracted for calling him a troll in another thread and nothing here for others...

:hmm:

But did you also mention the unmentionable fact?

 

[Throckmorton]

fuzzybabybunny, don't get a bike. They aren't cute. Your Fit is cute.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

I wouldn't say you're getting a great deal, but it's not a bad deal either.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Wait, so am I actually getting a good deal???

Base *listing* Price: 2,999
Freight: 595
Handling: 565
Documentation, Tires, License: 186
Tax: 334.76

Total: 4680.26

The MSRP of the Ninja is $3999, so using your formula of OTD = MSRP + Tax + Title + License it would be 3,999 + $370 + $186 = $4555. If they drop an additional $200 off of their $4680 price, to make it $4480, then I should be getting a good deal, right?

What year is it? And I ask that because you can still buy 2008 model year bikes brand new these days. Honestly, for a 2010 bike that doesn't seem too bad but I haven't priced these bikes at all. MSRP is $3,999 though and paying MSRP on a bike isn't like MSRP on a car. There is far less margin built into a $4k bike and the economies of scale are far lower on bikes. For a NOS (new old stock) bike I'd look for a greater discount because even though the bike is technically still new and there have been very few changes it is still a 2008 model or 2009 model and the moment you sign the paperwork you already have a 1 or 2 year old used bike, use this to your advantage. They are quoting you $4680, offer them $3800k OTD and see if they'll bite. If they come back at $4200 then say, "how about $3700?" Or, "how about I walk?"

If you can find a used one and have cash in hand to jump on it then you could find a good deal that way but you'd probably have to look around for a while and save a couple G's or buy new and keep the bike for a couple years until you pay it off. If you finance, go for the shortest term possible on paying it off. Do not call your insurance company if you knock it over in your driveway...oh, and get some frame sliders, they will save you a lot of money in expensive repairs if you lay it down or knock it over.

 

[Tristicus]

I got infracted for calling him a troll in another thread and nothing here for others...

:hmm:

None of your infractions are for calling anyone a "troll".

Zenmervolt - AnandTech Moderator

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Granted I didn't say because he always trolls, but that is obviously what it was about, especially given the context of the thread.

 

[angry hampster]

Bottom line is you shouldn't get a new 250R anyway because they really haven't changed much in the last 22 years. Get one from the 90s for $1000 and call it good. You're going to drop it and ruin it anyway. Might as well do it on something that you don't owe money on.

 

[MikeMike]

Over/Under 2 months.

i know how this kid used to drive CARS...

he fit an Echo between a telephone pole and the supporting wire (the angled thing that goes to the ground), at around 45 mph...

 

[jlee]

Why, why, WHY do you want to get one brand new?

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/mcy/1894030952.html
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/mcy/1888201002.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/mcy/1890384028.html

 

[StageLeft]

Why, why, WHY do you want to get one brand new?

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/mcy/1894030952.html
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/mcy/1888201002.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/mcy/1890384028.html

Wow, those drop in value hardcore. Especially since FBB is likely to end up in traction anyway and won't need a new bike I don't see the reason to buy one new at all. Although if he really pulled that trick with an echo when you try it in a bike the wire serves as a neck-severing utility.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Why, why, WHY do you want to get one brand new?

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/mcy/1894030952.html
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/mcy/1888201002.html
http://portland.craigslist.org/clc/mcy/1890384028.html

Look at the value those things lost! Half price a year or two later. Where's all the "250's can resell for what you paid for them" guys. Lol! I was dead on when I recommended a clean older 600cc bike. Tame enough for a newbie but still would be enough bike for awhile. 250's are a complete waste of metal. 2 months of riding a 250 he'd be looking for a bigger bike and he'd have to eat $2000 in costs to do so.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

The -2007's dropped in price when the 2008+'s came out. The newer bikes have contemporary styling that people are more attracted to. And the 2007 MSRP was only $2500. 2008 was $3000.

 

[StageLeft]

Still, the numbers are pure and damning. Get a used one.

 

[halik]

Look at the value those things lost! Half price a year or two later. Where's all the "250's can resell for what you paid for them" guys. Lol! I was dead on when I recommended a clean older 600cc bike. Tame enough for a newbie but still would be enough bike for awhile. 250's are a complete waste of metal. 2 months of riding a 250 he'd be looking for a bigger bike and he'd have to eat $2000 in costs to do so.

Dead wrong; emphasis on the dead part.

That's the older generation, they were all hovering around 2500 before the new one came out. The new generation bikes are all ~$3K on craigslist around me.

Late 90s 600CC bike still does 0-60 in under 4 seconds *, how's that "tame"?

*Say 97 CBR f3, 0-60 in 3.4sec

 

[Zargon]

Look at the value those things lost! Half price a year or two later. Where's all the "250's can resell for what you paid for them" guys. Lol! I was dead on when I recommended a clean older 600cc bike. Tame enough for a newbie but still would be enough bike for awhile. 250's are a complete waste of metal. 2 months of riding a 250 he'd be looking for a bigger bike and he'd have to eat $2000 in costs to do so.

the ninja 250s that dont drop value much are the pre-redo, so like 07 and back or so

08+ are completely different

and they arent a waste of metal

 

[MiataNC]

Look at the value those things lost! Half price a year or two later. Where's all the "250's can resell for what you paid for them" guys. Lol! I was dead on when I recommended a clean older 600cc bike. Tame enough for a newbie but still would be enough bike for awhile. 250's are a complete waste of metal. 2 months of riding a 250 he'd be looking for a bigger bike and he'd have to eat $2000 in costs to do so.

You are "dead on" wrong recommending a 600 for anyone with no experience. Only commissioned sales staff, dealers looking to move inventory, and ego driven internet "know-it-alls" recommend 600s to new riders.

Even Valentino Rossi (the greatest of all time) started out on small bikes on his way up to MotoGP glory. He (and most other professional racers) refuse to ride on the street, because they feel it is too dangerous.

As far as the cost of used 250s go....

ALL new bikes lose HUGE value the day they ride off the lot. If you buy new, you will lose at least $1500 (more if the bike costs over $10K) riding off the lot. Just like new cars, the initial depreciation hit is highest the day the vehicle is first sold.

250s (like every other bike) stabilize in the used bike market. Compared to most they hold the highest resale value selling consistently for $1500-2500 for 5-10 years.

He will only eat $2k if he buys new and doesn't keep the bike long enough to make it worth the depreciation hit.