[AT] Intel trying to release 7 nm in 2021

fleshconsumed

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That is rough considering 7nm Zen2 is right around the corner.

Oh how the mighty have fallen...
 

exquisitechar

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That is rough considering 7nm Zen2 is right around the corner.

Oh how the mighty have fallen...
Intel's 7nm is supposed to be quite a bit denser than TSMC's 5nm even with the new 2.0x instead of the previous 2.4/2.7x density increases, let alone the 7nm that Zen 2 CPUs are being fabbed on.
 
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NostaSeronx

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Intel's 7nm is more on-par with Samsung/GlobalFoundries/IBM Nanosheet 5nm/3nm. Especially, since some of the smarter Malta/Albany/Fishkill characters that got laid off were then hired by Intel.
 

Dayman1225

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  • 2x scaling on 7nm (Down from 2.4 and 2.7x previously)
  • Planned intranode on 7nm(15% per gen perf improvement)
  • 4x Reduction in design rules EUV in 7nm
  • Next-Gen Foveros and EMIB
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Intel's first 7nm product is a Foveros dGPU that will be used in the Aurora Super Computer!
 
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davidbepo

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  • 2x scaling on 7nm
  • Planned intranode on 7nm(15% per gen perf improvement)
  • 4x Reduction in design rules EUV in 7nm
  • Next-Gen Foveros and EMIB
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Intel's first 7nm product is a Foveros dGPU that will be used in the Aurora Super Computer!
holy sheet, intel 7nm looks amazing, and that intra-node improvement seems pretty big
 
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7nm is Intel's big shot to get back in the game. It's the interval between now and 2021 that may get ugly. I'm surprised that they're claiming IceLake Server to be sampling now. How?
 

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I'm surprised that they're claiming IceLake Server to be sampling now. How?
I guess Cannon Lake showed that as long as yield is a non-zero % (and even if that requires disabling significant chunks of the die) they'll still do something with it.
 

jpiniero

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7nm is Intel's big shot to get back in the game. It's the interval between now and 2021 that may get ugly.
No doubt. Even 2021 to me seems very aggressive.
 

scannall

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No doubt. Even 2021 to me seems very aggressive.
Target dates from Intel haven't really meant anything for quite a few years now. I'll believe it when the parts are on the shelves, and reviewers have them in their hands.
 

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I am sick of all the PR " Intel will do this, Intel will release that" when we have not seen any new product in at least a year, except the 9900k/9700 which is old design with 2 cores added. When was the last time they did anything even remotely different other than that ? I can't remember, and that we not new tech, just a remake of old tech.
 

jpiniero

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I am sick of all the PR " Intel will do this, Intel will release that" when we have not seen any new product in at least a year, except the 9900k/9700 which is old design with 2 cores added. When was the last time they did anything even remotely different other than that ? I can't remember, and that we not new tech, just a remake of old tech.
The problem is all the new stuff is built on 10 nm, and well...
 

jpiniero

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Exactly, and we keep hearing BS about that also.
14 nm Rocket Lake, if it's using Willow Cove cores should be a nice improvement in games if it can manage to keep the 5+ Ghz frequency, although it will be quite toasty.
 

Markfw

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14 nm Rocket Lake, if it's using Willow Cove cores should be a nice improvement in games if it can manage to keep the 5+ Ghz frequency, although it will be quite toasty.
And when is that supposed to be coming ? I have lost track of all the "lakes".
 
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That is rough considering 7nm Zen2 is right around the corner.

Oh how the mighty have fallen...
Let's see. Intel has 90.41% market share with 95.64% of the revenue. AMD sits at 9.59% market share with the remaining 4.36% of total revenue. What you fail to realize is that 90% of the market doesn't care or even know what 7nm even means. It's great that AMD is putting "pressure" on Intel and helping to promote a rapid technology push, but keep things in perspective, lol. Intel hasn't fallen, at all.
 

Markfw

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Let's see. Intel has 90.41% market share with 95.64% of the revenue. AMD sits at 9.59% market share with the remaining 4.36% of total revenue. What you fail to realize is that 90% of the market doesn't care or even know what 7nm even means. It's great that AMD is putting "pressure" on Intel and helping to promote a rapid technology push, but keep things in perspective, lol. Intel hasn't fallen, at all.
That will change in the next year, its already started.
 
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Despite all the troubles Intel had with 10nm, looks like they finally moved on from it and 7nm seems like it is on track. Intel CPU and GPU in next 3-4 years will finally be interesting to look forward to.
 

JDG1980

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Let's see. Intel has 90.41% market share with 95.64% of the revenue. AMD sits at 9.59% market share with the remaining 4.36% of total revenue. What you fail to realize is that 90% of the market doesn't care or even know what 7nm even means. It's great that AMD is putting "pressure" on Intel and helping to promote a rapid technology push, but keep things in perspective, lol. Intel hasn't fallen, at all.
Intel now = GM circa 1980.
It will take some time for public perception and market share to catch up with reality, but it will happen eventually.

"The General Motors market share in the US fell from 62.6% to 19.8% between 1980 and 2009". Why? Hubris, bad management, poor execution, resting on laurels... all the same problems Intel is facing now.
 
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I'll believe that when I see it.
Oh yeah, definitely, but I don't think they had a detailed roadmap with clear product plan when they had troubles with 10nm, and actually has a plan to use 7nm GPU on Aurora that is slated to be completed on 2021 sounds more promising than all those vague roadmaps they had previously. Also, they have to make it happen to keep pace with TSMC and Samsung.
 
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Intel now = GM circa 1980.
It will take some time for public perception and market share to catch up with reality, but it will happen eventually.

"The General Motors market share in the US fell from 62.6% to 19.8% between 1980 and 2009". Why? Hubris, bad management, poor execution, resting on laurels... all the same problems Intel is facing now.
People have said the same thing about Microsoft and Apple at one time. What's your point? Also, the comparison is just silly. Intel has really one competitor in the PC space that they own 90% of. Not to mention that people said the same thing during the whole Athlon and P4 period. How many competitors did/does GM have? Huge difference.
 

Markfw

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People have said the same thing about Microsoft and Apple at one time. What's your point? Also, the comparison is just silly. Intel has really one competitor in the PC space that they own 90% of. Not to mention that people said the same thing during the whole Athlon and P4 period. How many competitors did/does GM have? Huge difference.
Back in those days, did you hear a CEO of Intel say "I want to keep the damage down to 20% or less loss of server marketshare" (not an exact quote, but almost)

No, but this time he said it. Wake up, the king is not dead, just in trouble of loosing some significant marketshare. Stop being in denial.
 


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