Asus P4S533 bios works on P4S333

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THUGSROOK

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does anyone have the 4:6 memory ratio running 100% stable?

i can run the 3:5 ratio @ 400DDR.
i can run the 3:6 ratio @ 400DDR.
but i cant for the life of me run the 4:6 ratio stable @ 400DDR. :|

memory quality and settings is not the problem - just seems like the 4:6 ratio is unstable.
i know this is bios hacking - but the new (hacked) 3:6 ratio works fine.

anyone?
 

dbwillis

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Well, I just got my Muskin stick..Ill try it out by 10PM EST......
It was the level 2 stuff ..........here is the link to it (think I mentioned it to you Thugs) LINKY

Ive got my fingers crossed...!
 

dbwillis

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OK, heres what I came up with:>

100/33~3:6~1600mhz~DDR396=2550 memory score
132/44~3:6~2114mhz~DDR352=2635 memory score
132/44~3:5~2115mhz~DDR440=3031 memory score
132/44~3:6~failed to boot
133/33~4:6~2133mhz~DDR396=2884 memory score
146/37~4:6~2335mhz~DDR444=3149 memory score
148/37~4:6~2367mhz~DDR444=3205 memory score
150/38~4:6~2400mhz~DDR456=3254 memory score
152/38~4:6~2431mhz~BSOD after getting to the XP desktop

The 1.6a is running 1.55v in all tests, I ran Sandra 4x between upping the FSB/ratios, the memory is 1 stick of 512 DDR266 rated at 2-2-2,running at 2.5-3-3 and 2.7v
Here are the pics:>
CPU A
MM test
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CPU A
MM test
memory

CPU A
MM test
memory

CPU A
MM test
memory

CPU A
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THUGSROOK

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very very nice! :D

when you have a chance - report back and let us know which settings are 100% stable for you and which configuration you end up running.

are you a gamer / do you run gaming benchmarks?

...thanks for taking the time to post the results :)
 

dbwillis

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I havent run any game benchmarks..I do play Max Payne, UnReal, Quake, Alice, EA Sports games..alot...
PS-
Whats up with that last 150fsb memory picture..the 1st time I ran it, both were like 1039mb..the 2nd time the 1st one went WAY up but the 2nd statyed there?
 

THUGSROOK

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obviously it cant run that far w/o errors. (neat shot tho)
and sandra is an easy test, so...

lets see how far you can go with games.
the 3dmark2k benchmark is very tough on memory stability. (more so than 3dmark2k1)

im able to run a few gaming benchmarks @ 400DDR (by spd) but there is practicaly no improvement over 333DDR @ Cas2/2/2/6.

let us know what you come up with :)
 

THUGSROOK

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ok i finally stabilized 400DDR 4:6 ratio.
i had to use the P4S533 beta bios v1007.002 and boost memory to 2.9v running by SPD specs.
(im using Corsair XMS PC2700 rated cas2)

benchmark scores are completely lame tho - only a very slight improvement over 333DDR Cas2/2/2/6.

its really weird that this 4:6 ratio was/is giving me so much trouble @ 400 since there was no trouble at all using 3:5 or 3:6 @ 400, and higher.

i know Duvie is running Kingmax PC2700 @ 400DDR 3:5 ratio w/o problems too.

testing with just sandra memory test - this ram can go 432DDR on a 3:5 ratio. havent tested max speed using 3:6 .....yet ;)

im very interested to see if dbwillis's findings match mine.
 

dbwillis

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I owuld be too!
I was able to run cpu burn AND Final Reality since last post until this one..no crashes......
 

Bozo Galora

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Camma:

Computer Hardware:
Processor: AMD Athlon XP 1900+ (Unlocked)
Clock Speed: Varied between 1.6 GHz to 1.8
Motherboard: EPoX 8KHA+
Chipset: VIA KT266A
Videocard:

MSI G3Ti500 Pro-VTG (GeForce3 Ti500 240/500)
Network Card:

3Com 905CX-TXM 10/100
Allied Telesyn AT-2700TX 10/100
DLink DE-528 10Base Combo
Accton 10/100 EN5038
Smartlink 10/100
Memory:

256 MB Corsair XMS PC2400 DDR
Hard Drive: IBM 30.7 GB DeskStar 75 GXP
CDROM: LG 40X
Floppy:

Panasonic 1.44MB
Heatsink: Thermaltake Dragon Orb 3
PowerSupply: Enermax 550 Watt

Software Setup:

Windows 2000 + SP2
VIA 4in1 4.37
DetonatorXP 22.80
DirectX 8.0

Test:

Data Transfers and web surfing

To test the NIC's at the various bus speeds, we transferred a 500MB dummy file between two computers using a Linksys 4 Port Router (it has a 10/100 Switch integrated). Obviously the D-Link was the slowest running at 10BaseT, the file transfer took forever!Each NIC was also subjected to one hour of web surfing.
Here's a MHz breakdown on where the cards stand...

NIC

Max PCI Speed

3Com 905CX-TXM 10/100

150/4 = 37.5 MHz

Allied Telesyn AT-2700TX 10/100

170/4 = 42.5 MHz

DLink DE-528 10Base Combo

160/4 = 40 MHz

Accton 10/100 EN5038

166/4 = 41.5 MHz

Smartlink 10/100

176/4 = 44 MHz

As we see here, the 3Com maxed out at a PCI speed of 37.5 MHz while the Smartlink 10/100 hit an insane 176 MHz FSB. It's rather surprising to get these results, usually the more expensive products have higher quality components.

The Allied Telesyn AT-2700TX 10/100 did pretty well, using a AMD chipset. Perhaps AMD is trying to cater towards the enthusiast in every way. Even though we don't use that 10Base NIC anymore, I threw in the D-Link DE-825 because it seems a lot of broadband companies out there are using these as standard issue for their clients. As for the bottom of the barrel NIC's, those generic ones that you can pick up for around $20, the Accton and Smartlink work pretty well in terms of overclocking.

So what can we conclude here?

For enthusiasts who are looking to push their systems to the max, don't overlook something as trivial as a network card. As the above demonstrated, the 3Com would limit a system to 150 MHz FSB while the Smartlink went as high as 176 MHz! If you're planning to overclock a server, the Allied Telesyn is quite feature rich, it has WoL (Wake on LAN) and a boot ROM (sold separately). If you want to push your computer as high as possible while still keeping the ability to connect to a LAN, try out those Smartlink 10/100's - they seem to handle the high speeds pretty well!
 

THUGSROOK

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whoa thats some good info there!

you should start your own thread with that info for others to see.

im using an asante pci 10/100 nic and its known by me to be good at 44PCI - never tried higher.

im running a 42.5PCI right now @ 170fsb. (i think - no way to verify PCI speeds)
 

THUGSROOK

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Bozo Galora thats not quite what i had in mind - but thx :) thats a neat piece of hardware there.
 

Camma

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hey thugs... question for you. Do you think I'd have any problem running a low low speed papst fan on my processor? With the 40cfm panaflo on my alpha 8942, i'm averaging around 31c idle and about 44c under extreme load, so its by no means hot. I was just curious if you think it'd hurt much to drop down to the 26cfm papst, or even the 19cfm one. :)

Camma
 

Camma

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hehe... thats bad, i'm a serious impulse buyer... i'm probably gonna try the 19cfm papst and maybe a panaflo 1La (i'm usin a 1HA right now)... or maybe one of the enermax adjustable fans, those can run rather low dba ratings.... If the stock cooler on a p4 will keep most people running cool, i doubt either of these fans on my heatsink would be an issue. also... this might be outside your realm, i'm not sure how much you deal with vid card cooling, but what do you think of a passive cooler on a Ti200 core? something like the big zalman chipset heatsinks?
 

Camma

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bozo galora... i completely missed your message up there till just now ;) VERY interesting piece of info, but i definitely believe it. I'm using a Linksys 10/100 right now, i do believe that's my problem. But you're right, you would think the higher quality product would be able to handle higher... maybe we've all just been brainwashed ;)

Camma
 

THUGSROOK

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Camma when it comes to vid card cooling i go for the gusto! i use a modded crystal orb with a 21cfm fan from a golden orb and AS2 :) i wouldnt settle for anything less.
also - i may be able to hook you up with some panaflo 80mm 1LAs for cheap. msg me and ill LYK.
 

Camma

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heh, you're crazy man! I'm actually using a chrome orb on mine right now, but i'm goin for quiet ;) i saw some interesting fans on crazypc.com's site... crystal clear fans, says they have 3 speed settings, and with a pair of blue led lights in the center... impulse buyer beware!

Linkage to the fans

 

jinks

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Hi Thugs,

I have a serious problem with my ddr memory. I have 2sticks of 256mb Kingmax pc2700 on my P4s333 which I have flashed with P4s533 bios1005c. My O/S is windows 98 se.
The problem is that when I load windows my system uses more then 50% of the memory and even if my system is idle the memory keeps on being consumed higher .. After sometimes let us say 15-20minutes the Asus probe shows that the physical memory usage upto 95% without any program or game running.
I do lot of graphic work in Adobe and Corel Draw as soon as I start working with those programs my system seems to run out my memory and it sort of hangs up.

Any idea what could the problem be and how to overcome it.

Jinks:confused:
 

THUGSROOK

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1st - are you sure it wasnt doing that with the S333 bios too?

no prgrams running in the background? (SETI, prime95, etc)

if not - just flash back to the S333 bios, and see if it continues.
 

Deskstar

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Does the "Auto" setting for memory on the P4S333 simply "read" the particular memory stick in use at the time and run the memory clock at that speed or does "Auto" memory setting do something different?
Thanks.
 

Deskstar

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Based on what I have read in other posts, at these high memory clock speeds memory scores are optimized by using a lower mem clock speed with CL 2, rather than hitting a higher mem clock with CL 2.5. In other words, higher memory clock speeds accentuate the latency problems, emphasizing latency iimprovements over simple mem clock speed increases. That may explain the lack of significant improvement that some are seeing when just changing the mem clock from DDR333 to DDR400 without changing the CL from 2.5. Is it a latency issue that is holding you back??

So, I plan to keep the CL 2 settings for a long as possible and up the mem clock speed to the highest stable speed accepted by the motherboard and memory combination that I am using. There I will stop and not bother with CL 2.5 settings even though I can hit greater than DDR400 at CL 2.5.

I really wanted a 4 to 5 CPU:mem clock ratio in the mix, but perhaps a later revision will have such a ratio.
Comments on the above suppositions?