Asking Ryan Smith of AT if a special examination could be done?

[Vesku]

Yeah, I'm not at all opposed to anyone who wants to delve into this. But to sum up the last paragraph from Ryan as "go play some games" misses quite a bit of context.

 

[Keysplayr]

Keyword. Meantime. So, nigel. Sweep this under the rug as you wish then move along.
You've said you piece. You oppose any investigation of this matter.

 

[NIGELG]

Keyword. Meantime. So, nigel. Sweep this under the rug as you wish then move along.
You've said you piece. You oppose any investigation of this matter.

If it was important more sites would investigate.

You are highlighting it solely because it makes nVIDIA look better...not for any thing else.

 

[Jaydip]

Yea umm actually it's very possible, it's called vsync.

As long as you're rendering a minimum frame rate greater than 60 fps, all frames should be drawn in less than 16.6ms, which with vsync turned on are delivered following exactly that time interval resulting in a steady flow of frames at even intervals.

Unless for some reason your game is rendering some extremely easy frames and some extremely hard frames within the same second, which is very unlikely since frame complexity changes very little within the same second.

Not sure what are you getting at.Enabling Vsync means you can't go above 60 Fps but it doesn't guarantee it will stay at 60 Fps.If it can't sustain 60 Fps it will go to 30 Fps and so on.So it is not possible to maintain a consistent rate unless you are guaranteed to get 60 Fps no matter what.

 

[SirPauly]

If it was important more sites would investigate.

Hopefully more will so there may be more awareness so nVidia and AMD may garner smoother frame-rates and tools for their customers.

 

[ICDP]

A paid Nvidia marketer is talking about 'Iraqi Information Minister campaign'??

Oh the irony!!!!Lol

You are the one who has to propagate Nvidia and tow the Company line and sing for your free cards.Not me.

Exactly, it is ironic that a paid Nvidia guy who doesn't have an AMD card is telling me I get stutters in my games. I have been playing to following games using the latest 12.11 beta 11 drivers.

• Far Cry 3 at 2560x1600 at ultra with 2x MSAA
• Hitman AB, 2560x1600 with everything on high apart from MSAA off and DOF off.
• Crysis 2, 2560x1600 everything on ultra.
• Withcer 2 at full settings apart from DOF and Ultra Sampling off.
• Rise of Flight with everything maxed out

I'm using a 7970 at 1150/1600 and have. FPS in all games is very good to excellent given the settings, and not one hint of stutter in any of them. I don't need to run a frame latency test to tell me it is smooth, I can see it.

If the new drivers have introduced stutters I'm not seeing it. I don't need some Nvidia focus group guy who has not had 1st hand experience with an AMD card in years (if ever), telling me my AMD card stutters. I don't see any "war", all I see is a few die hard Nvidia fans trying to stoke up some dirt on AMD cards based on one test from a web site that contradicts itself from review to review.

 

[SirPauly]

HardOCP and TechReport shared their findings. TechReport has been doing these investigations for some time.

 

[96Firebird]

Exactly, it is ironic that a paid Nvidia guy who doesn't have an AMD card is telling me I get stutters in my games.

Surely you can't be serious. You are trying to tell me he is telling you the stuttering is happening? If you don't see it, great. Others do see it. To say he is forcing anything upon you because he is interested in further investigation is laughable at best.

 

[NIGELG]

HardOCP and TechReport shared their findings. TechReport has been doing these investigations for some time.

And you believe everything you read on the Internet?

Or as long as it makes a Struggling AMD look worse will Nvidia loyalists lap up this kind of stuff on the internet?

 

[ICDP]

Hopefully more will so there may be more awareness so nVidia and AMD may garner smoother frame-rates and tools for their customers.

Investigate what exactly?

I use GPUs from both Nvidia and AMD and have never noticed serious stutter that couldn't be eliminated with adaptive/dynamic vsync. The OP was started by an Nvidia focus group member claiming...

• "there is a big war brewing"
• "Nvidia is faster than AMD at similar FPS"

This is a mountain out of a molehill aimed at making AMD look bad and Nvidia look good. Basically the OP is doing his job as an Nvidia focus group member.


This is like the recent Nvidia isn't DirectX 11.1 compliant. It turned out to be in areas that really don't matter in games and not worthy of any "investigations".
Does it matter that many AMD card owners have came here and said they don't notice these stutters? Some even post graphics showing that frame latency is not a problem. Yet still some are claiming this problem should be investigated. Ironically the ones making these requests are usually Nvidia users.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Exactly, it is ironic that a paid Nvidia guy who doesn't have an AMD card is telling me I get stutters in my games. I have been playing to following games using the latest 12.11 beta 11 drivers.

• Far Cry 3 at 2560x1600 at ultra with 2x MSAA
• Hitman AB, 2560x1600 with everything on high apart from MSAA off and DOF off.
• Crysis 2, 2560x1600 everything on ultra.
• Withcer 2 at full settings apart from DOF and Ultra Sampling off.
• Rise of Flight with everything maxed out

I'm using a 7970 at 1150/1600 and have. FPS in all games is very good to excellent given the settings, and not one hint of stutter in any of them. I don't need to run a frame latency test to tell me it is smooth, I can see it.

If the new drivers have introduced stutters I'm not seeing it. I don't need some Nvidia focus group guy who has not had 1st hand experience with an AMD card in years (if ever), telling me my AMD card stutters. I don't see any "war", all I see is a few die hard Nvidia fans trying to stoke up some dirt on AMD cards based on one test from a web site that contradicts itself from review to review.

We can stop doing reviews now...his EYES got us covered...

 

[SirPauly]

And you believe everything you read on the Internet?

Or as long as it makes a Struggling AMD look worse will Nvidia loyalists lap up this kind of stuff on the internet?

Further investigations would be welcomed so gamers as a whole may hopefully benefit.

 

[Lonbjerg]

And you believe everything you read on the Internet?

Or as long as it makes a Struggling AMD look worse will Nvidia loyalists lap up this kind of stuff on the internet?

Do you refute their findings?

 

[NIGELG]

Do you refute their findings?

As an Nvidia fan why do you care?

 

[ICDP]

Surely you can't be serious. You are trying to tell me he is telling you the stuttering is happening? If you don't see it, great. Others do see it. To say he is forcing anything upon you because he is interested in further investigation is laughable at best.

Yes I am being serious, it doesn't matter if it is AMD or Nvidia, there will always be someone who notices stutter or input lag etc. I know exactly what stutters are and get them in many games on both my GTX 680 and my HD 7970. I know how to, and go to great lengths to eliminate them when they occur. I have never once concluded that AMD is worse than Nvidia for single GPU use. Both need to have vsync set and on occasion an FPS cap enabled to create smoothness IMHO.

Do you think if AT do an investigation and conclude AMD cards suck due to excessive stutter that I'm going to magically agree?

 

[ICDP]

We can stop doing reviews now...his EYES got us covered...

And no doubt you know better that "my" system has stutters.

 

[NIGELG]

Further investigations would be welcomed so gamers as a whole may hopefully benefit.

Yeah we PC gamers surely benefit from more fighting,conflict and internet 'wars'.

And we will surely benefit if Nvidia alone make high end cards.



NOT.

 

[SirPauly]

Yeah we PC gamers surely benefit from more fighting,conflict and internet 'wars'..

Personally welcome investigations.

 

[Jaydip]

So people don't like objective investigations about this matter, an enthusiast forum indeed.

 

[NIGELG]

You're the one fighting.

Why do you care about about what happens on AMD systems?You don't use them and surely almost never will.

Why else but for you to gloat and show 'my team/hardware' is superior?


Go play some games and know that your hardware is superior and your favoured team is better in every single way.You can take your victories and be happy.

 

[NIGELG]

So people don't like objective investigations about this matter, an enthusiast forum indeed.

Only two sites with questionable credibility and methodologies are saying ''It just feels smoother but we can't measure or prove it''.

 

[Lonbjerg]

As an Nvidia fan why do you care?

What has this to do with anything?

And no doubt you know better that "my" system has stutters.

You don't know for sure...that is a fact.
You THINK you know.

BIG difference.

 

[Keysplayr]

And you believe everything you read on the Internet?

Or as long as it makes a Struggling AMD look worse will Nvidia loyalists lap up this kind of stuff on the internet?

The more you try to stifle this thread the worse it looks upon you. Im asking for an investigation. You (and other here) are trying to stop one from happening. Who do you think looks like a paid viral marketer? Me asking for knowledge or you trying to block it?
/owned

 

[SirPauly]

Why do you care about about what happens on AMD systems?

The investigations were on nVidia and AMD platforms - always curious!

 

[ICDP]

What has this to do with anything?

You don't know for sure...that is a fact.
You THINK you know.

BIG difference.

LoL, what a load of BS. I play on both AMD HD 7970 and Nvidia GTX 680 and I can assure you I cannot notice any stuttering on the AMD compared to Nvidia card. I use nvidia inspector and radeonpro to set adaptive/dynamic vsync or FPS caps if I notice any stutter.