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Asian manufacturing - unfair, but superior

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In regard to pollution, America was just as bad in the 70s. I guess most people forget that.

The Chinese will do clean up its mess. I seriously doubt they want to pollute their air forever. They will get a handle on the mess they've caused.
 
Engineer said:
I'm not sure that that 1870's were as bad as China is (or at least has been the last decade or so).
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Well, we didn't have as many people. I wouldn't be surprised if we were as bad, if not worse than China per capita pollution. It was a different time though. It's hard to make a direct comparison.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
What exactly does the USA manufacture that's so great? ...what are the American-made alternatives that are 4 times better for only double the price?
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Tires for one instance, bearings another, esp. needle bearings and/or "critical" bearings, like those used in aerospace industries. I saw a lot of Chinese bearings when I was with Timken and with the Timken controlled Chinese plants, Timken wouldn't import those bearings into the U.S. They tried several times but the end product almost always ended up being too shitty. Sure, the demo parts were great as were the first batches or so, but then the bottom dropped out and ended up costing much more than was saved from having them made in China.

Then there was the never ending lying about product shipped, false shipping numbers, substandard metals used in the bearings.....and this was in a Timken controlled plant. I cannot imagine contracting anything out to an independent Chinese factory. Thankfully, Timken woke up after they "temporarily" lost a contract supplying BMW with a particular bearing and almost lost the Continental ABS bearing contract due to those Chinese shenanigans. Timken found an American manufacturer able to assume the volume and at a cost of an additional 0.08 per bearing. (Make a million of them and that 0.08 per bearing begins to add up.)

I hate buying Chinese if I can help it at all. Unfortunately, sometimes you just cannot avoid it.
 
Sonikku said:
China's business model is built off of leeching the world's innovation because they have no innovation of their own. If China were isolated, their model would implode. Inversely, if rip offs are allowed to be sold side by side with originals long enough than pretty soon the incentive to innovate will wane and time will start to stand still.
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when their industrial base is lagging behind developed nations by decades they aren't just gonna magically leap frog and innovate ahead of them. copying is their way of catching up. while china isn't likely to surpass the US in many ways any time soon, I wouldn't underestimate them either. History has proven their culture to be resilient and good at empire building. Don't let your patriotism blind you.
 
How about we just cut taxes and foster growth for companies here so they stay in this country then we wouldn't have knock off problems.

I have a Chinese knock of military band two-way radio, but the quality is in the shiter. Now if I could just afford a Harris product...
 
moonbogg said:
Chinese "clone" products are a cheap alternative to original products. They shamelessly copy creative and popular industrial products and sell for a tiny fraction of the price. I used to think this was cheating in a way, but I now see it as strength and is indicative of a superior economic model compared to our own.
They can do anything we can do for less. This takes the wind out of our sails while they sell their own original products right here in our country, along side their clones. Our patent laws have come back to bite us in the ass. We are crippled by our own laws and they just sit back and shake their head and wonder why we don't untie our own hands.
America can't win like this. It will continue to get worse and we will go down in a big way and end up like Canada.
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You need to read up on U.S. patent law and customs enforcement.
 
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