NA's already have their own land. From what I've seen reported, they've got their own problems to worry about above getting more land. If they want more, we should give them parts of California, particularly the southern parts. Not only would southern CA's be most likely to White Guilt/Bleeding Heart over the NA's, but, the NA's have long history with the majority ethnicity in southern CA - Mexican (latino). So see? We've already got that problem solved if/when it comes down to it....
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irishScott
Lifer
No we wouldn't. The UN has no direct authority over domestic US policy. We can sign UN treaties which become law, but that goes through the typical process of Executive and Senatorial approval regardless of the UN's position.
JEDIYoda
Lifer
hahahahahaaaaa...The village idiot finally rears his ugly head...lol
You have to be kidding...rofl.......way too funny!!
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randomrogue
Diamond Member
All you do is make predictions that never come true. It's so annoying. I'm done reading your posts.
ok, which one of these includes statistics on how many tanks Israel has lost against the Palestinians?
While I deplore the attack on a school bus, the episode resulted in the death of 1 Israeli civilian and 19 Palestinians. Go figure.
How do you say these things with a straight face? How in God's earth is it possible for a few dozen thousands of immigrants forcing the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of Arabs, AND also militarily defeating the so-called Soviet armed Arab states? It just defies logic.
Contrary to popular opinion, the Hanagah and the Palmach were highly skilled, trained and equipped force, which actually numbered more than the combined forces of the Arab armies committed in that war. Furthermore, these military and para-military forces had commited quite a number of terrorist acts amongst the Arab populace.
Nebor
Lifer
The Israelis haven't lost any tanks against the palestinians. Would you really expect them to? They have good equipment and the best military in the world.
Right, so no "weaponry" of the Palestinians can match the killing machine of the IDF. Thanks for proving that point!
Who is going to put Israel back to the pre-67 borders?
As long as she is being attacked, it is not going to happen
Broheim
Diamond Member
when the fuck did I say anything about tanks? besides, Palestinians are far too busy using their laser guided anti-tank missiles on schoolbusses to attack any tanks.
Broheim
Diamond Member
they don't have to, Hamas and friends all target civilians not the IDF.
Lemon law
Lifer
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Yet 70 miles away in Lebanon, a rag tag miltia called Hezbollah took out quite a few State of the arts Israeli tanks and that was some six or seven years ago.
What this basically tells us is that the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank lack such weapons yet. Yet, as the Israeli embargo of Gaza becomes history and kaput for two reasons, and we get no Palestinian state, its not rocket science to predict far more effective weapons will be used against Israel. Some will find their ways into Gaza itself, other are likely to be directed at Israel by Stateless terrorists with no affialations with Hamas.
The danger level of a real mid-east bloodbath may now be far higher without a Palestinian State.
Oric
Senior member
Who are you ?
Lemon law
Lifer
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No, 9/20/2011 is just the start of the pre-party, today is just the real start of the fireworks and UN pissing contests, more fireworks scheduled for tomorrow and Friday. Then the nose counting will start, leading up to a first possible vote. Depending on how isolated Netanyuhu and Obama feel, the real horse trading will begin.
As other nations will be lining up to replace all US influence in the mid-east.
Nebor
Lifer
How many tanks did they destroy? Were they actually destroyed or just mobility killed? What weapons was Hezbollah using?
The Israelis have the best military in the world. Just because they choose to fight with one arm tied behind their back in an attempt to appease the human rights crowd doesn't diminish their prowess on the battlefield.
Nebor
Lifer
Great. Who will be backfilling the 100,000 troops we have there (not counting Afghanistan) and paying all the aid and lease agreements? Are they lining up for that?
Once again your predictions amount to nothing. The US tells Palestine to go get fucked, and the rest of the world doesn't care enough to even get involved.
randomrogue
Diamond Member
Lemon law if you could just rephrase your posts to not all be prophetic you might actually be taken seriously. I feel like I'm listening to a palm reader.
You should really hope you are wrong. My worry is that if the Palestinians try to go the route of the UN there will never be any hope of them getting their own country. Nobody is going to force Israel to give up land. They'll only do that through negotiation. The UN has passed who knows how many resolutions against Israel (how many against the Palestinians?) and it never makes a difference.
You should really hope you are wrong. My worry is that if the Palestinians try to go the route of the UN there will never be any hope of them getting their own country. Nobody is going to force Israel to give up land. They'll only do that through negotiation. The UN has passed who knows how many resolutions against Israel (how many against the Palestinians?) and it never makes a difference.
Lemon law
Lifer
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As long as the USA vetoes all anti-Israeli resolutions, it basically means the UN has not passed any such resolutions. But time has moved on to a significant point, where supporting only 6 million Israeli Jews is going to dangerously isolate the USA in the rest of the world. Way over 2/3 of all nations support a Palestinian State. And while they may all agree that mutual negotiation is the best way, they also mostly agree the Obama position is bullshit without a Israeli settlement freeze during negotiations.
As for predictions, yes that is my intention, to be proved right in the end.
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randomrogue
Diamond Member
Nostradamus predicted the end of the world in 2012.
Of course if you make 1,000 predictions some might come true.
Lemon law
Lifer
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As for Nostradamas predicting the end of the world in 2012, I think you have him confused with the Myans.
But that seems to me the randomrogue I expect, not even informed on this issues, but shooting off his mouth without any seeming logical basis.
At the start of hostilities:
There were about 20K-30K fighting troops for the Israeli side
There were about 18K Palestinians
Arab Legion of Jordan had between 18-20K
Iraq had 21K - committed 18K 100 aircraft
Egypt had 40K - committed 20K 54 aircraft
Syria 12K 50 aircraft
Lebanon 3.5K
Saudi 1K
By my calculations there were 90K Arab/Palestinians lined up against 30K Israelis when the Arabs attacked.
All numbers come fromWiki 1948_Arab-Israeli_War#Initial_line-up_of_forces
When you reverse course, use double talk and back track/watering down your predictions, eventually you will hit on something.
The issue with your statements is that every definite one that you put out has been flawed. Then you started to smarten up after being incorrect so many times and have only fixated on 9/20/2011. But your predictions on the results of 9/20/2011 are still flawed.
But even there, with the Security Council veto in place; nothing will drastically happen.
You claim that the US and anyone that supports Israel will be ostracized yet that is not happening.
You claim that there will be an embargo in support of Palestine; nothing has happened.
You state that Israel will have to go back to the '67 borders; yet can not state on how they will be made to.
Until the Palestinians go negotiate with Israel for peace, have an elected government that wants to negotiate and has the authority, nothing will happen - status quo as usual.
So yes a stopped clock is right twice a day; but not by design.
The predictions of members here on how the world, Palestinians & Arabs will react w/ respect to Israel have been much more on target than your predictions/statements on what the Arabs/Palestinians/world will do against Israel.
Your statements are what you feel should happen based on your concepts; not what the world actually does. Also, what they (world) will state is not what they will do.
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