Ars: AMD may be irrelevant

[thilanliyan]

On a lighter note do we all have, to some degree (myself included) a B.S in BS?😎

I have a Master's in that. 😛

 

[VirtualLarry]

Intel has the financial capacity to sell it at cheap margins too just to keep AMD out of the game. Jaguar @ 28 nm needs to be significantly smaller than i3 @ 22nm (hence cheaper) and have 10W-range TDP to really prevent being caught by ULV i3.

Intel has always had the capability to reduce their own margins, in order to hurt AMD. However, unless AMD has been gaining major market share, Intel's shareholders wouldn't be too happy if Intel did that.

If Intel becomes a true monopoly over x86, expect the gov't to be a lot more heavy-handed than they are now to Intel.

Intel needs AMD to survive, to keep regulators off of their backs.

 

[piesquared]

LOL Tell us more about this out innovating fantasy you have.

APU's, HSA, HSAIL, CodeXL, AMD AppZone, GCN, Jaguar, Gaming Evolved, HSA Foundation, Coherent memory for the GPU and CPU, context switching, Eyefinity for the masses, Heterogeneous Computing, GPU Acceleration, Hondo, SeaMicro, 3rd party building blocks in APU's, OpenCL development and ecosystem. Ill add more later.

 

[ViRGE]

Just so we're clear guys, this isn't a proxy discussion on Andrew Cunningham's educational background or on the value of degrees in today's society. This is a technical forum so we ask that you please stick to the subject.

-Thanks
ViRGE

 

[gus6464]

APU's, HSA, HSAIL, CodeXL, AMD AppZone, GCN, Jaguar, Gaming Evolved, HSA Foundation, Coherent memory for the GPU and CPU, context switching, Eyefinity for the masses, Heterogeneous Computing, GPU Acceleration, Hondo, SeaMicro, 3rd party building blocks in APU's, OpenCL development and ecosystem. Ill add more later.

Dude do you work for AMD or something?

 

[NostaSeronx]

Dude do you work for AMD or something?

Everyone works at AMD you are the only one who isn't!

Seriously, AMD doesn't post on these forums they have their own forum with their own mods.

 

[lehtv]

What is Intel doing ?
SB -> IB 5%
IB -> Haswell 10%
If Intel continues this path, what the hell should keep AMD from 'catching up' .. besides of course, keep designing new chips that performs worse than before.. But aside from that? Plus, i feel a merger coming on somewhere down the road.

That's complete and I would say willful ignorance and dismissal of the benefits of the new generation over the old. CPU performance isn't everything, the major focuses with IB and Haswell both have been at integrated GPU performance and power consumption. That's because these chips are largely developed for the notebook and OEM markets where power consumption and decent integrated graphics are important, and power efficiency in general is an increasingly important theme in the development of all electronics. Gamers don't need much higher CPU performance and the high end workstation side has their SB-E hexacores.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Everyone works at AMD you are the only one who isn't!

Seriously, AMD doesn't post on these forums they have their own forum with their own mods.

JFAMD did.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

What is Intel doing ?
SB -> IB 5%
IB -> Haswell 10%
If Intel continues this path, what the hell should keep AMD from 'catching up' .. besides of course, keep designing new chips that performs worse than before.. But aside from that? Plus, i feel a merger coming on somewhere down the road.

IPC will increase about 10% going from Ivy to Haswell, but we've yet to see if clock speeds will increase. I doubt they will given the architecture pipeline, though, but the 4.5GHz we have now on avg. is good enough.

Of course, Haswell will also probably end AMD's IGP advantage.

 

[Phynaz]

Seriously, AMD doesn't post on these forums they have their own forum with their own mods.

Not true at all. IDC, forum admin has stated AMD employees post here.

 

[piesquared]

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[ShintaiDK]

Let me rephrase, did you know there were/are intel employees moderating these boards?

Wow, you just dont know when to quit with the trolling.

 

[piesquared]

Wow, you just dont know when to quit with the trolling.

Yeah true. ill remove that post.

Anyway, about AMD AppZone. Glad to see all the GPU accelerated apps in one place, it makes things much simpler for conumers to understand.

 

[NostaSeronx]

JFAMD did.

While he did work at AMD his posts were his own opinion. The reference is that there is "secret" drone accounts which AMD uses to market their own products with.

This also isn't a proxy discussion on AMD and other posters. Seriously guys, just stop.
-ViRGE

 

[Idontcare]

Not true at all. IDC, forum admin has stated AMD employees post here.

Totally off-topic (sorry ViRGE 🙁) but a point of clarification is in order here - every single person that I knew who worked for AMD and posted here (not as employees mind you) at the time I made that comment have since left AMD.

At this time I literally do not know a single person who works at AMD anymore. They've all been laid off, quit, or moved on to greener pastures.

But I continue to hold to my original message which is that it shouldn't matter what any of us do 9-5 for a paycheck when it comes to what we do with ourselves when we are on our own time (including spending some of that time posting here in these forums).

 

[Idontcare]

Anyway, about AMD AppZone. Glad to see all the GPU accelerated apps in one place, it makes things much simpler for conumers to understand.

Are these apps accelerated by any GPU? Do Nvidia and Intel GPU's accelerate the apps or is it just AMD GPU's that accelerate them?

 

[busydude]

Are these apps accelerated by any GPU? Do Nvidia and Intel GPU's accelerate the apps or is it just AMD GPU's that accelerate them?

From whatever I read, BlueStacks runs on any windows PC.. but they say AMD optimized BlueStacks for their GPU/APU.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...le-Android-Applications-Run-x86-Based-Windows

A PR video.

 

[piesquared]

Are these apps accelerated by any GPU? Do Nvidia and Intel GPU's accelerate the apps or is it just AMD GPU's that accelerate them?

Someone posted this comment to the techpowerup article

Seems to work on intel/nvidia systems fine. (At least my system anyway). Here is a screenshot of Tower Defense running on AMD AppZone player.

 

[Idontcare]

From whatever I read, BlueStacks runs on any windows PC.. but they say AMD optimized BlueStacks for their GPU/APU.

http://www.businesswire.com/news/ho...le-Android-Applications-Run-x86-Based-Windows

A PR video.

You this would tie-up very nicely and come full circle if AMD announced a jaguar-type derivative that was targeting smartphones like Intel is attempting.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

B.S. = Bull Sh!t

M.S. = More Sh!t

Ph.D. = Piled Higher and Deeper

No comment :sneaky:

 

[CHADBOGA]

APU's, HSA, HSAIL, CodeXL, AMD AppZone, GCN, Jaguar, Gaming Evolved, HSA Foundation, Coherent memory for the GPU and CPU, context switching, Eyefinity for the masses, Heterogeneous Computing, GPU Acceleration, Hondo, SeaMicro, 3rd party building blocks in APU's, OpenCL development and ecosystem. Ill add more later.

I guess the above is what makes AMD the maker of must have CPU's and explains their cratering marketshare. :awe:

 

[piesquared]

I guess the above is what makes AMD the maker of must have CPU's and explains their cratering marketshare. :awe:

These are new products, and they're just coming to market now and near future.

 

[AtenRa]

Of course, Haswell will also probably end AMD's IGP advantage.

yeap, Haswell will regain the lead.......[/dream]

 

[CHADBOGA]

yeap, Haswell will regain the lead.......[/dream]

After Haswell ends AMD's IGP advantage, perhaps then it will be possible to have honest discussions which state that all intergrated graphics are poverty solutions for any keen gamers.

Unfortunately for the time being, we have to put up with ludicrous propaganda which states that low res gaming at 720p is the sweet spot. 🙄

 

[Yuriman]

After Haswell ends AMD's IGP advantage, perhaps then it will be possible to have honest discussions which state that all intergrated graphics are poverty solutions for any keen gamers.

Unfortunately for the time being, we have to put up with ludicrous propaganda which states that low res gaming at 720p is the sweet spot. 🙄

IGPs have certainly come a long way in the past few years. Weak as they are, they CAN play modern games and I think putting a GPU in every PC capable of DX11 effects can be nothing but good for the PC gaming industry. I wonder how long it would've taken Intel to move this way if not for AMD's competition in that area?

I don't think performance has a lot of room to rise in iGPUs without eDRAM (as desktop Haswell is rumored to have), a move to DDR4/5, or more channels, as dual channel DDR3 is already limiting AMD's APUs.

Fun bit:

DDR4 also anticipates a change in topology. It discards the multiple DIMMs per channel approach in favor of a point-to-point topology where each channel in the memory controller is connected to a single DIMM. Switched memory banks are also an anticipated option for servers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR4_SDRAM