Discussion Arrow Lake Builder's thread

[511]

I'm still hoping against everything logical and realistic that Core Ultra 300 series will launch with hyperthreading enabled, Ring: D2D : NGU all at 40 and DDR5-10000 Gear 2, plus an extra P-core or an extra E-core cluster in 385K.

That's too much NVL is the be all end all I think with NVL stable 12000 wouldn't be a dream 🤣

 

[alcoholbob]

That's too much NVL is the be all end all I think with NVL stable 12000 wouldn't be a dream 🤣

Nova Lake with DDR5-12000 certainly might get close to a 9800X3D in gaming. Who are we kidding, probably not even close lmao

 

[511]

Nova Lake with DDR5-12000 certainly might get close to a 9800X3D in gaming. Who are we kidding, probably not even close lmao

for that matter not even vanilla Zen6 will NVL bLLC has a chance if it comes

 

[511]

That's a deal and a cheap enough Mother Board
CPU

 

[igor_kavinski]

Wow. That's quite the drop in price!

Now almost as much as I paid for my 245KF!

 

[511]

Yeah at this price this is a deal if you don't plan to upgrade CPU frequently this should be good.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Pretty sweet deal for non-gamers.

Not possible to get 20 physical cores even with a 9950X.

 

[511]

This has to be a joke

 

[igor_kavinski]

Must be excess inventory. They want space cleared in their warehouses!

I knew something like this would happen to me. I can barely get 5.3 GHz out of my 245KF and the 265K does 5.5 GHz out of the box!

 

[511]

Must be excess inventory. They want space cleared in their warehouses!

I knew something like this would happen to me. I can barely get 5.3 GHz out of my 245KF and the 265K does 5.5 GHz out of the box!

why did you choose 245K vs a 265K and how much did it cost?

 

[igor_kavinski]

why did you choose 245K vs a 265K and how much did it cost?

Because the 265K was over $440 and I got the 245KF for $334. I was dumb enough to think that there would be decent headroom for clocks based on my experience with 12700K (it can hit 5.4 GHz in winter). Didn't know that Intel would use the crappiest dies for 245KF 🙁

 

[511]

Because the 265K was over $440 and I got the 245KF for $334. I was dumb enough to think that there would be decent headroom for clocks based on my experience with 12700K (it can hit 5.4 GHz in winter). Didn't know that Intel would use the crappiest dies for 245KF 🙁

It's not a Intel problem imo it's more like N3B isn't suited for such high clocks.
Also for binning 6+8 is shared with ARL-H so there is that as well jacking up the price of 245K.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I think the biggest issue is that TSMC silicon may work better with AMD style curve offsets but Intel XTU has no such option.

 

[511]

I think the biggest issue is that TSMC silicon may work better with AMD style curve offsets but Intel XTU has no such option.

How's the E cores though can they do 4.9 GHz all core?

 

[igor_kavinski]

How's the E cores though can they do 4.9 GHz all core?

Yeah, almost. They get a bit unstable if the temps are high but in winter 4.9 GHz was doable.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Intel Core Ultra 7 265K Tuning: Ryzen 7 9800X3D muss sich warm anziehen

Der PCGH-Tuning-Guide zum Intel Core Ultra 7 265K zeigt Ihnen, wie Sie satte 43 Prozent mehr Fps aus der CPU pressen können. #werbung

www.pcgameshardware.de

Nice article showing how each tuning strategy helps the 265K little by little until the Max-OC config allows it to get some wins.

Kind of a lot of work to get the most out of this CPU and it can be said that not tuning the X3D's makes the comparison look unfair. Wish they had gone the extra mile to do that.

 

[511]

@igor_kavinski looks like 265K got a official price cut.

Intel Updates Suggested Pricing for Intel Core Ultra 200S Series Desktop Processors

Intel has updated its suggested pricing for certain Intel® Core Ultra™ 200S series desktop processor SKUs – enabling better-than-ever combination of price & performance for gamers, creators, and professionals alike: Intel Core Ultra 7 processors (box prices listed) U7 265K - $299 (previously...

community.intel.com

 

[511]

This price is very good if you find a decent size Motherboard and good ram kit and enable 200S boost if you don't plan to upgrade CPU for 4 years.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I would buy if I could put two inside a PC 😛

 

[igor_kavinski]

Sandisk WD_BLACK SN8100 2TB SSD Review - Approaching Optane

Powered by a customized Silicon Motion SM2508 controller, Sandisk's first PCIe Gen5 SSD is so powerful that it is approaching Optane P5800X levels.

www.tweaktown.com

285K wins overall BUT

there's a catch!

Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k...

😇 Let the games begin.....

www.overclock.net

The reviewer put the SSD in a PCIe card, rather than the PCIe 5.0 NVMe slot (known platform regression. 12 GB/s speeds instead of 14 GB/s).

 

[511]

Sandisk WD_BLACK SN8100 2TB SSD Review - Approaching Optane

Powered by a customized Silicon Motion SM2508 controller, Sandisk's first PCIe Gen5 SSD is so powerful that it is approaching Optane P5800X levels.

www.tweaktown.com

285K wins overall BUT

there's a catch!

Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k...

😇 Let the games begin.....

www.overclock.net

The reviewer put the SSD in a PCIe card, rather than the PCIe 5.0 NVMe slot (known platform regression. 12 GB/s speeds instead of 14 GB/s).

He said it reaches P5800X which is not true at all

 

[511]

@igor_kavinski this is even insane you get 32GB Ram + 265K + free video game

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-ultra-7-265k-arrow-lake-lga-1851-processor/p/N82E16819118506?recaptcha=pass

If anyone wanna build an ARL.PC now is the time 🤣

 

[igor_kavinski]

I should've waited 🙁

 

[511]

I should've waited 🙁

You can sell your 245K and buy this one and sell the ram stick as well if you don't need it I think it will be cheaper for you.

 

[igor_kavinski]

You can sell your 245K and buy this one and sell the ram stick as well if you don't need it I think it will be cheaper for you.

It's OK for my current needs. Don't really want to spend until the 300 series launches so I can see if the 385K is worth it.

My wishlist for 385K:

6+ GHz ST
5.8 GHz MT
HT
AVX-512 (if it's there and can be enabled, even if the E-cores need to be disabled to use it)
D2D, NGU, Ring latencies all fixed or optimized out of the box
L3 cache increased or existing one with reduced latency
Much better IMC that can hit DDR5-10000 XMP Gear 2 without issue

But considering their current state, we probably won't get any of that. Maybe a 100 MHz speed bump on every K SKU if we are lucky.