Discussion Arrow Lake Builder's thread

[igor_kavinski]

Looks like you may not need to bother with manual tuning: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-300-arrow-lake-refresh-rumored-to-feature-kf-series-skus-only



Once Intel releases that tool, you will get the best tuning possible with complete stability so the best of both worlds without any risk.

 

[alcoholbob]

Looks like you may not need to bother with manual tuning: https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-300-arrow-lake-refresh-rumored-to-feature-kf-series-skus-only

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Once Intel releases that tool, you will get the best tuning possible with complete stability so the best of both worlds without any risk.

Can one button overclocking ever be better than manual tuning? AIBs tried to sell one-button overclocking with AM5 and it ended up being uniformly terrible. Not to mention Arrow Lake tuning is extremely complex compared to previous Intel gens due to the numerous bottlenecks in the architecture. I would expect this to be bad because Intel engineers took 2+ years to figure out how to fix degradation issues when overclockers had already found remedies for the problem within months of launch in 2022.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Seems the ring in some ARL CPUs has poor voltage handling ability: https://www.overclock.net/posts/29448968/

 

[In2Photos]

My son got his PC last night. It looks really good! They used a Lian Li case that may be a Microcenter exclusive or something. It's not even on the Lian Li website. They added some custom graphics to the bottom and back of the case too! Here is the specs and some pics. Haven't had much time to play with it yet. My son plays HS baseball and his schedule during the week is rather busy. I'm sure he'll be gaming like crazy this weekend though.

Lian Li CG237 case
MSI MAG Z890 Tomahawk
Intel Core Ultra 5 245K
TRYX Panorama 360 AIO
Corsair Vengeance RGB 32GB DDR-6000 CL36
Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB NVME
Acer Nitro B580
FSP Hydro G Pro 750W
9 Lian Li Uni Fans
Lian Li Strimer Cables
Vertical GPU bracket

 

[igor_kavinski]

Wow. Being a custom PC with a custom Lian Li case, this is going to have an amazing resale value even 5 years later!

Can't wait for your updates on "out of the box" benchmarks and tuned benchmarks

 

[igor_kavinski]

Intel/Windows sleep bug:

Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k...

😇 Let the games begin.....

www.overclock.net

Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k...

😇 Let the games begin.....

www.overclock.net

Supposedly affects Ryzen too but no concrete proof.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I couldn't have guessed that Windows Power Plan and Power Mode are two different things: https://www.overclock.net/posts/29451915/

 

[igor_kavinski]

Oh look, Arrow Lake isn't completely useless if you happen to have a game based on Unity engine: https://www.overclock.net/posts/29452597/

A bad CPU for bad games is a match made in heaven, I always say!

 

[alcoholbob]

Oh look, Arrow Lake isn't completely useless if you happen to have a game based on Unity engine: https://www.overclock.net/posts/29452597/

A bad CPU for bad games is a match made in heaven, I always say!

Wow, I wonder if it will be any good playing the Pathfinder RPG games. I remember beating those games on a 8700K with a GTX 1080 Ti, then a 12700K with a 3090, and finally on a 9800X3D with a 5090. The experience was dogshite the whole way with constant stuttering.

 

[igor_kavinski]

New Intel drivers added today on ASROCK Z890 page: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z890 Taichi OCF/Specification.asp#Download

 

[In2Photos]

Here's the YouTube video from the upgrade. I haven't watched it yet, waiting for my son to get home from school and we'll watch it together. They did us DIRTY on the thumbnail, LOL

 

[igor_kavinski]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-performance-optimized-gaming-pcs-are-now-sold-in-china-offering-10-higher-performance-and-full-warranty-coverage

That article has the conservative settings that shouldn't impact stability and still offer a decent performance boost.

 

[igor_kavinski]

We tested Intel's new '200S Boost' feature: 7% higher gaming performance thanks to memory overclocking, now covered by the warranty

Memory and fabric overclocking now covered by the warranty wrapper.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

The new Boost profile in the latest BIOS is supposed to fix latency with one click!

 

[igor_kavinski]

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Only one game so far seems to benefit from the Boost profile significantly but only at the JEDEC speed.

 

[alcoholbob]

~2% boost is what you would expect by increasing D2D and NGU. Too bad Intel doesn't have the balls to increase Ring speeds too and cover it under warranty.

 

[igor_kavinski]

@In2Photos , you have been awfully quiet about your son's ARL rig. Did you update to the latest BIOS and apply the 200S Boost profile?

 

[In2Photos]

@In2Photos , you have been awfully quiet about your son's ARL rig. Did you update to the latest BIOS and apply the 200S Boost profile?

Nope. I spent some time last week helping him get his RGB software squared away. Otherwise he's just been using it as is. No issues or complaints from him so far.

 

[igor_kavinski]

At least Linux gaming has improved quite a bit since launch: https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-arrow-lake-ubuntu-2504/9

 

[igor_kavinski]

Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k...

😇 Let the games begin.....

www.overclock.net

200S Boost profile does not work with CUDIMMs currently.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Overclocking "Arrow Lake" - 285K, 265k, 245k...

😇 Let the games begin.....

www.overclock.net

OEMs get to offer higher performance with IPO.

Here's the IPO settings vs. stock:

 

[DrMrLordX]

Only one game so far seems to benefit from the Boost profile significantly but only at the JEDEC speed.

That's an odd outlier. 200S doesn't seem worth it when you can just run XMP DDR5-7200 and beat it. Looking at the other 200S boost numbers you posted later, in some cases, compared to XMP DDR5-8000, 200S boost is worse on minfps/1% lows.

 

[igor_kavinski]

That's an odd outlier. 200S doesn't seem worth it when you can just run XMP DDR5-7200 and beat it. Looking at the other 200S boost numbers you posted later, in some cases, compared to XMP DDR5-8000, 200S boost is worse on minfps/1% lows.

I think it's just a quick fix until Intel can gather a few months' worth of data on how successful and reliable IPO is in the Chinese market then they might bring it over to the rest of the world.

 

[511]

Should have increased the D2D/NGU speed from the start it Would have been a better PR.

LGA-1851: A socket that was supposed to get 3 gen got 1 🤣

 

[igor_kavinski]

I'm still hoping against everything logical and realistic that Core Ultra 300 series will launch with hyperthreading enabled, Ring: D2D : NGU all at 40 and DDR5-10000 Gear 2, plus an extra P-core or an extra E-core cluster in 385K.