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Army Virtue-Tweet Backfires: 1000s Expose "Heartbreaking" Horrors Of War

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no doubt in my mind one of you simpleton douchnozzles tried reporting my lol to the mods. Thats a real fucking lol.
 
I have family members in the service, and I get why they joined, otoh I have other family members who got completely fucked and forgotten by the military by the Iraq war and the horrors and injuries they suffered.

I wouldn't want my kids to join as you can't trust the political leadership or the service to take care of you.

If it was just a national defence force that would be one thing, but the American military is often used to advance questionable economic and political interests.

If you are a soldier, you may not be protecting the lives of your neighbors, but the president's reelection campaign, his advisor's imperialist aspirations, or his donor's supply chain or market share. Don't throw your life away for someone else's vacation home.
 
Bitek said:
If you are a soldier, you may not be protecting the lives of your neighbors, but the president's reelection campaign, his advisor's imperialist aspirations, or his donor's supply chain or market share. Don't throw your life away for someone else's vacation home.
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JSt0rm said:
what are the good intentions of the army. Dont hide behind your dumb thumb downs.
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The Army defends the Constitution that protects your right to free speech, fights to protect the less fortunate, lends humanitarian aid and serves as a deterrent to global conflict.

I’m right here.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
The Army defends the Constitution that protects your right to free speech, fights to protect the less fortunate, lends humanitarian aid and serves as a deterrent to global conflict.

I’m right here.
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While I think Jst0rm has overstretched his hand and gone loonytoons in this thread, I don't think this statement is really true at all anymore. It's just pathetic propaganda that, any cursory interest in history will show to be a complete lie over the last 6 or 7 decades, at least. It just isn't so.

It's as much a myth as "The American Dream" and the undying conservative reliance on "bootstraps" as the only necessary social policy for good government. It's just pure bullshit. That isn't meant to disparage anyone that continues to make the choice to serve for their own reasons, but that is clearly not the role of the modern American military. Not even fucking close.

If Vietnam didn't wake you up, then why? If Grenada didn't, if Panama didn't...if fucking Iraq (2x) didn't...then why? seriously why?

The American Military, built by the impoverished, creates War for the gentry class that will never serve but will only ever benefit from the blood of others. It is simply no other way. It just isn't.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
The Army defends the Constitution that protects your right to free speech, fights to protect the less fortunate, lends humanitarian aid and serves as a deterrent to global conflict.

I’m right here.
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The only threats to our Constitution since the Nazis and Russkis have come internally, none of which the military can help with.
 
zinfamous said:
While I think Jst0rm has overstretched his hand and gone loonytoons in this thread, I don't think this statement is really true at all anymore. It's just pathetic propaganda that, any cursory interest in history will show to be a complete lie over the last 6 or 7 decades, at least. It just isn't so.

It's as much a myth as "The American Dream" and the undying conservative reliance on "bootstraps" as the only necessary social policy for good government. It's just pure bullshit. That isn't meant to disparage anyone that continues to make the choice to serve for their own reasons, but that is clearly not the role of the modern American military. Not even fucking close.

If Vietnam didn't wake you up, then why? If Grenada didn't, if Panama didn't...if fucking Iraq (2x) didn't...then why? seriously why?

The American Military, built by the impoverished, creates War for the gentry class that will never serve but will only ever benefit from the blood of others. It is simply no other way. It just isn't.
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I spent my years of service on humanitarian and peacekeeping missions, so I have a different perspective on the role of the Army and the good it can serve.
 
JSt0rm said:
The human species evolved with a great trait for survival... self sacrifice. both nationalism and religion perversed this natural trait for the benefit of a few and we still cheerlead it. Its hardwired into ourselves. You wouldn't be able to change even if you wanted to.
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You seem like a very bitter and jaded individual with your own made up version of what people with a strong sense of nationalism or religion actually stand for. I find your post particularly ironic because my experience has been the exact opposite of yours. I've talked with close friends and relatives who served in the military and have a great love for their nation which motivates them to sacrifice for the benefit of others. They endured some really crappy environments, daily deprivation, and some hellish fighting because they believed in defending the rights of their fellow countrymen. I am always humbled at the stories I hear from my WWII vet grandfather and my Vietnam vet father. The stuff they went through, the sacrifices they made, are truly heroic in my eyes. Have we gotten into some wars and places we shouldn't have as a nation? Absolutely. Doesn't change the fact that there are a LOT of self-sacrificing members of the military out there.

As for the religious, again I find my experience to be the polar opposite of yours. I grew up agnostic and became religious later in life. I have found so many more opportunities to serve and sacrifice for my fellow man due to my religious beliefs than I ever did when I was agnostic. We are taught continually how important sacrifice and loving and serving your neighbor is. We have organized opportunities all the time to help at homeless shelters, assisted living centers, community clean-ups, Eagle Scout projects, caring for the poor and elderly, and actively working at being better human beings. I'm not saying that non-religious folks aren't charitable or loving to their neighbors, I see plenty of examples of that too. But my own experience is that those opportunities to sacrifice have come far more frequently after I became religious than before and I imagine I'm not alone in that experience.

Are there some really crappy religious people out there? Well of course, they're human too. But maybe it's time to look for the good people do around you rather then making acerbic comments about those you don't understand.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
The Army defends the Constitution that protects your right to free speech, fights to protect the less fortunate, lends humanitarian aid and serves as a deterrent to global conflict.

I’m right here.
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the military really hasn't protected the constitution since WWII, the others we mostly were a part of a coalition of other nations and it wasn't always in the best interest of the locals and usually blows up in our face.

vietnam and Iraq are prime examples, we gained nothing and lost a lot.

we have gone in and propped up dictators because of corporate interest in those nations.
we really don't have a good record with our military.

and don't forget the 1953 coup in Iran, tho that was the CIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
that led to the hostage taking in 1979.

In August 2013, sixty years afterward, the U.S. government formally acknowledged the U.S. role in the coup by releasing a bulk of previously classified government documents that show it was in charge of both the planning and the execution of the coup, including the bribing of Iranian politicians, security and army high-ranking officials, as well as pro-coup propaganda.[27][28][29] The CIA is quoted acknowledging the coup was carried out "under CIA direction" and "as an act of U.S. foreign policy, conceived and approved at the highest levels of government".[30]
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Starbuck1975 said:
Who do you think is going to stop them if it ever came to that.
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Voters and politics. The generals won't be storming the WH with tanks to overthrow the CIC.

In a nightmare scenario, they could be used to protect him. That's it works for the dictators.
 
Bitek said:
Voters and politics. The generals won't be storming the WH with tanks to overthrow the CIC.

In a nightmare scenario, they could be used to protect him. That's it works for the dictators.
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I don’t see a scenario where our armed forces protect Trump were he to attempt a dictator overthrough of our government.
 
dawp said:
the military really hasn't protected the constitution since WWII, the others we mostly were a part of a coalition of other nations and it wasn't always in the best interest of the locals and usually blows up in our face.

vietnam and Iraq are prime examples, we gained nothing and lost a lot.

we have gone in and propped up dictators because of corporate interest in those nations.
we really don't have a good record with our military.

and don't forget the 1953 coup in Iran, tho that was the CIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
that led to the hostage taking in 1979.
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Misuse of the military is the fault of politicians and failed foreign policy, not the military itself. The Cold War and post-9/11 era has numerous examples of this. There are also numerous examples of peacekeeping, nation building and disaster relief. Even when part of a coalition, who do you think typically does all the heavy lifting?
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Misuse of the military is the fault of politicians and failed foreign policy, not the military itself. The Cold War and post-9/11 era has numerous examples of this. There are also numerous examples of peacekeeping, nation building and disaster relief. Even when part of a coalition, who do you think typically does all the heavy lifting?
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I look at anything our military does with a skeptical view, our history requires it.
 
JSt0rm said:
starship trooopers. These people are just dumb.
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Why? we're one of the few 1st world nations that just gifts citizenship to anyone born via an accident of biology and place. It's quite strange. I do think that people become more invested in the franchise if they have skin in the game. I could be wrong in the end, but we clearly have a massive divide in this country and a more general lack of trust or faith in the system. Turning toward radicals in any direction is the way things are going, but is of course never the right way. We keep doing this over and over and over again.

What's your suggestion?
 
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