Army Virtue-Tweet Backfires: 1000s Expose "Heartbreaking" Horrors Of War

JSt0rm

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...fXJGriMMoV8eTNCKfi3XDgxF8f36J84FlkLxy5xS1fVNw

lol

after 20 years of war it really can never go back to what it was.

“My daughter was raped while in the army,” said one responder. “They took her to the hospital where an all male staff tried to convince her to give the guy a break because it would ruin his life. She persisted. Wouldn’t back down. Did a tour in Iraq. Now suffers from PTSD.”


“I’ve had the same nightmare almost every night for the past 15 years,”said another.​

“Someone I loved joined right out of high school even though I begged him not to. Few months after his deployment ended, we reconnected. One night, he told me he loved me and then shot himself in the head. If you’re gonna prey on kids for imperialism, at least treat their PTSD.”

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there are sooooo many.
 

dawp

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at least they stepped up and didn't try to hide, unlike some others who did something similar.
Two days into the torrent of responses, the U.S. Army replied with a thank-you, saying, as we honor those who paid the ultimate sacrifice this weekend by remembering their service, we are also mindful of the fact that we have to take care of those who came back home with scars we can't see. And then it added the toll-free Veterans Crisis Line, which is 1-800-273-8255.
https://www.npr.org/2019/05/27/7272...-to-its-question-how-has-serving-impacted-you

and I don't find anything to lol about.
 

trenchfoot

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My way of not going off the deep end was to care more for my buddies than myself when things got really busy. Kept my situational awareness where it belonged.

To me it's when you crawl inside your head and hide when you really need to be on top of and ahead of things is when the shit really gets to you and then refuses to leave you alone.

My sympathies go out to those who couldn't outrun what kept pulling them back into the darkness.
 

Starbuck1975

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...fXJGriMMoV8eTNCKfi3XDgxF8f36J84FlkLxy5xS1fVNw

lol

after 20 years of war it really can never go back to what it was.

“My daughter was raped while in the army,” said one responder. “They took her to the hospital where an all male staff tried to convince her to give the guy a break because it would ruin his life. She persisted. Wouldn’t back down. Did a tour in Iraq. Now suffers from PTSD.”


“I’ve had the same nightmare almost every night for the past 15 years,”said another.​

“Someone I loved joined right out of high school even though I begged him not to. Few months after his deployment ended, we reconnected. One night, he told me he loved me and then shot himself in the head. If you’re gonna prey on kids for imperialism, at least treat their PTSD.”

~


there are sooooo many.
Pathetic you find it funny. I guess you don’t know many veterans. There are numerous positives to military service. There is nothing glorious about war.
 

kage69

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Yeah I don't understand the lol


Sexual assault in the military has surged since 2016 I'm told. I wonder why that is.


And despite this kind of candor, the Cheneys and Boltons will still continue to derp, dismiss and ridicule PTSD in the ranks.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Pathetic you find it funny. I guess you don’t know many veterans. There are numerous positives to military service. There is nothing glorious about war.

there must be something because we (as a country) honor and glorify service members at what seems like every opportunity... perhaps in order to blind people to the true human toll it exacts?
 

Starbuck1975

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there must be something because we (as a country) honor and glorify service members at what seems like every opportunity... perhaps in order to blind people to the true human toll
There is ample photo evidence of the horrific disfiguring wounds of the Civil War and WW1. Medical science made huge leaps forward in prosthetics, the triage of life threatening wounds and plastic surgery in response to the unprecedented number of these horrific wounds sustained as warfare got increasingly nasty.

Our streets are the dumping ground for homeless veterans, many suffering from PTSD, opioid addiction and mental illness.

At some point, lack of awareness becomes ignorance.
 
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Homerboy

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It's the preying on HS kids that really bothers me. The latest commercial from one of the branches compares things like "the big game" and other HS related events. Basically implying that serving in the military is just all the good aspects of HS, but on steroids.

I respect and am unquestionably indebted to all those that have and will serve in the military. I don't like the questionable sales tactics that put a lot of people in roles they didn't expect or were able to handle. And the "care" (and I use that term very loosely) that the service men and women receive after deployment/serving is beyond embarrassing. The gov't barely bats an eye at spending 100s of billions on new ways to kill people, but when it comes to spending money on those that served, there's nothing in the coffers.
 
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dank69

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I don't like the idea of making military service mandatory. I do, however, like the idea of making "country service" mandatory: fulfill this through the military, or also various other outlets that exist: Peace Corps, Americorps, Teach America, etc.
I don't, because I'm not an authoritarian. The policy violates the only rule for government: minimize suffering. This policy does not have an end goal of reducing suffering, therefore it does not fall in what I consider to be a valid scope for government interference.
 

Homerboy

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I don't like the idea of making military service mandatory. I do, however, like the idea of making "country service" mandatory: fulfill this through the military, or also various other outlets that exist: Peace Corps, Americorps, Teach America, etc.

Shit - it can be as mundane as cleaning up parks or volunteering at local food pantries. I feel there should be SOME mandatory service to help better your neighborhood/state/country.
 

zinfamous

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I don't, because I'm not an authoritarian. The policy violates the only rule for government: minimize suffering. This policy does not have an end goal of reducing suffering, therefore it does not fall in what I consider to be a valid scope for government interference.

Peace Corps, Americorps, Teach America, neighborhood service...all of these are designed and act to minimize suffering. Seems to fit the role of government pretty well. It's also great mental brain food for young people at that age where learning to think outside yourself can be profoundly beneficial.

Something like Trump or the modern GOP could never exist if our voter base consisted of a population of people that had an ingrained sense of empathy and an actual appreciation for the good that their country can do.

My High School started to require something like 50 hours community service per year in order to graduate at the end of your time there right about the time I started (I think you actually needed to complete it each year to be allowed into the next grade). I can't really comment to that being inconvenient for me or how people found ways to fulfill it, because I was already doing it through our annual summer home repair Service Project at my church's youth group. That was always one of the best weeks of the year for me in those days.
 

TheVrolok

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there must be something because we (as a country) honor and glorify service members at what seems like every opportunity... perhaps in order to blind people to the true human toll it exacts?
Absolutely. Same reason "we" don't cover soldier funerals, or death tolls. Gotta keep the roles up so that we can project force to maintain our political/business interests worldwide. Yes, I'm cynical about it.
 

dank69

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Peace Corps, Americorps, Teach America, neighborhood service...all of these are designed and act to minimize suffering. Seems to fit the role of government pretty well. It's also great mental brain food for young people at that age where learning to think outside yourself can be profoundly beneficial.
I agree those programs are good but the act of forced service is the part I am concerned with. I do not agree that it will necessarily lead to people thinking outside themselves. I know when I was a little shit growing up when I was forced to do things for others I simply resented it. It is up to each person to make that discovery on their own. I think the lesson can just as easily be taught through demonstration.

Something like Trump or the modern GOP could never exist if our voter base consisted of a population of people that had an ingrained sense of empathy and an actual appreciation for the good that their country can do.

...
Actually one of the few positives we can observe in conservatives and religious people is their increased participation in charity compared to liberals. They know what empathy is and they appreciate helping others. That was never the problem. The problem is their susceptibility to defining "others" as not worthy of empathy.
 

nakedfrog

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Shit - it can be as mundane as cleaning up parks or volunteering at local food pantries. I feel there should be SOME mandatory service to help better your neighborhood/state/country.
IMO, I don't really believe this is compatible with the notion we portray in this nation of being "born free", that others fight for our freedom, and that's why they're glorified.
I could possibly be more supportive of it as a gateway to receiving full social benefits or something. But I don't think I can support compulsory service.
 

sactoking

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It's the preying on HS kids that really bothers me. The latest commercial from one of the branches compares things like "the big game" and other HS related events. Basically implying that serving in the military is just all the good aspects of HS, but on steroids.

I respect and am unquestionably indebted to all those that have and will serve in the military. I don't like the questionable sales tactics that put a lot of people in roles they didn't expect or were able to handle. And the "care" (and I use that term very loosely) that the service men and women receive after deployment/serving is beyond embarrassing. The gov't barely bats an eye at spending 100s of billions on new ways to kill people, but when it comes to spending money on those that served, there's nothing in the coffers.
I believe the preying upon high school kids is foul.

I live in a small rural town, population 55k. There is one high school in town, enrollment 2,200. Student body is 50% minority and 36% economically disadvantaged.

Every year during the community parade the largest entry is the high school JROTC. It's several hundred students. Three times or more larger than the marching band. AT LEAST 10% of the entire school is in the JROTC program.

So many students being told the military is their best or only shot at doing something with their lives.
 

Phokus

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As long as this country is run by buffoons who will go to war over any bullshit reason, i will always discourage anyone i know from joining the military.
 

trenchfoot

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Shit - it can be as mundane as cleaning up parks or volunteering at local food pantries. I feel there should be SOME mandatory service to help better your neighborhood/state/country.


Good idea, something I agree with. Problem being many of our aristocrat class will find such service demeaning to their status and create ways to get out of it just like they did in the last draft lottery. Trump is a perfect example of this.

"Mandatory" is such a fleeting term when exceptions/buy-outs are the norm rather than the exception.

Rules need to be put in place and enforced with a purpose to make it work.
 

Homerboy

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Good idea, something I agree with. Problem being many of our aristocrat class will find such service demeaning to their status and create ways to get out of it just like they did in the last draft lottery. Trump is a perfect example of this.

"Mandatory" is such a fleeting term when exceptions/buy-outs are the norm rather than the exception.

Rules need to be put in place and enforced with a purpose to make it work.

Well, while I agree that there were be countless attempts to circumvent service, the vast majority of Americans would still end up doing it. That's good for America and for Americans.
PS: Eat the rich.
 

JSt0rm

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Pathetic you find it funny. I guess you don’t know many veterans. There are numerous positives to military service. There is nothing glorious about war.

yeah bitch. my lol is what you found offensive. This is how dumb you are.