Armed Militia Members take over Federal Building in Oregon

[Genx87]

At the very least the feds should shut off utilities.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

At the very least the feds should shut off utilities.

that should have been done on day 1

 

[norseamd]

The Federal authorities could turn loose their psyops spooks on this hapless band of losers (loudspeakers at 120 Db playing acid rock "music" 24/7 anyone?) They could, from a safe distance and with relative ease, erect hesco bastions surrounding the structure currently being occupied to literally isolate the wayward miscreants from the rest of the world.

The possibilities are infinite given the resources the federal agencies have at their beck and call.

It's only a matter of what level of response that public opinion will deem acceptable toward incarcerating the lawbreakers.

I was thinking shut off the power and utilities, surround the terrorists, let no one in or out ever, then wait for them to run out of food and water, and then send them a shit ton of high quality, fresh, tasty Moroccan, Indian, Arab, or some other related food with lots of spiciness. Then just wait, and see if they still want to continue the occupation.

 

[Darwin333]

That is easy. The only problem will be food, and they have a lot of stockpiles from what I have seen.

I don't know about easy but then again I'm from the deep south, I wouldn't last 6 hours much less overnight in a tent. Regardless it will be a hellofa lot less comfortable than sitting in a heated building with running water.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't pretend to understand it, but I think that Waco & the aftermath in Oklahoma City prompted some deep thinking at the highest levels. I'm not sure they have it completely figured out but they've apparently concluded that restraint best serves the interests of the people, at least for the time being.

Meanwhile, the insurrectionists discredit themselves further with every passing day. It may yet come to force at which point they'll have damned little sympathy from the rest of us.

 

[norseamd]

I don't know about easy but then again I'm from the deep south, I wouldn't last 6 hours much less overnight in a tent. Regardless it will be a hell of a lot less comfortable than sitting in a heated building with running water.

Suppose you have not been camping that much. I think their conditions are quite tame.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ntact-unaware-of-world-war-ii-7354256/?no-ist

 

[nickqt]

Not worth it. You want to make volunteers turn themselves into a sitting waterfowl shoot just to prove a point about Vanilla ISIS?

Just roll into a whole platoon of M1117 armored cars covering each other while launching tear gas into the building. Maybe you could even use some type of tranquilizer gas to knock them all out, then just walk right in and handcuff all of their unconscious asses and haul them off to full security concrete fortresses.

That's not necessary, is what I'm getting at.

These guys are gun fondlers, so they'll polish up their guns real good, and rub one out while doing it, but they aren't ready to be murderers - which is exactly how every other human being will see them. And they know it. Unarmed federal officers with cameras on themselves, and with media cameras rolling from the outside.

In essence, you just shame them right the hell out of there without a shot fired, by showing that the big bad fed'rul gub'mint isn't out for coward blood, but to uphold the law.

 

[norseamd]

These guys are gun fondlers, so they'll polish up their guns real good, and rub one out while doing it, but they aren't ready to be murderers - which is exactly how every other human being will see them. And they know it. Unarmed federal officers with cameras on themselves, and with media cameras rolling from the outside.

Maybe they wont, or maybe they will.

History is proof that you can not rely on or predict anything, thus I am suggesting take them out while offering 100% protection to innocent civilians, local law enforcement, and federal officials.

 

[WelshBloke]

Meh, not locals. Federal officers.

This is a bunch of cowardly morons trying to fight the man and be constitutional, by, uh, fighting the constitutional federal gub'mint.

If the federal government asked for volunteer officers, they'd get them. Put cameras on them, and get the media there rolling their cameras, and make sure everyone and everyone's sister knows.

And then we'd see whether these morons are protesting, or cowards who are committing treason. And the situation would resolve itself quickly.

Or we can just keep ignoring them...until they win.

The liability issues of sending unarmed volunteers into a hostile situation so you can take advantage of any bad publicity if your volunteers get shot is going to make that a non starter.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Seems simple to me. Barricade them inside the reserve so they cant leave, and then start dismantling whatever lives they have outside the compound. Start seizing their land and assets until they realize this martyr bullshit they are pulling has real world consequences.

 

[Jhhnn]

Seems simple to me. Barricade them inside the reserve so they cant leave, and then start dismantling whatever lives they have outside the compound. Start seizing their land and assets until they realize this martyr bullshit they are pulling has real world consequences.

That's what they want. Martyrdom.

Regardless of how it turns out, due process must be observed. What you suggest isn't that at all.

 

[Zorba]

That's not necessary, is what I'm getting at.

These guys are gun fondlers, so they'll polish up their guns real good, and rub one out while doing it, but they aren't ready to be murderers - which is exactly how every other human being will see them. And they know it. Unarmed federal officers with cameras on themselves, and with media cameras rolling from the outside.

In essence, you just shame them right the hell out of there without a shot fired, by showing that the big bad fed'rul gub'mint isn't out for coward blood, but to uphold the law.

I know what you are thinking and I was thinking similarly a couple weeks ago. But the more they talk, and the more I see what type of people they are, I am not sure we can really count on them taking the logical way out. The problem is, you have a logical brain and thought process, so you can not possibly put yourself into their completely illogical thought process, which could be capable of anything.

I am sure they have different levels of loons, too, so while most of them might go peacefully, it only takes ones to start shooting.

 

[ivwshane]

I know what you are thinking and I was thinking similarly a couple weeks ago. But the more they talk, and the more I see what type of people they are, I am not sure we can really count on them taking the logical way out. The problem is, you have a logical brain and thought process, so you can not possibly put yourself into their completely illogical thought process, which could be capable of anything.

I am sure they have different levels of loons, too, so while most of them might go peacefully, it only takes ones to start shooting.

They are the type of stupid that is abundant in this country, we don't need to give them a cause the idiots can rally around. They are minor annoyance, we don't need them coalescing into a major annoyance.

 

[michal1980]

I was thinking shut off the power and utilities, surround the terrorists, let no one in or out ever, then wait for them to run out of food and water, and then send them a shit ton of high quality, fresh, tasty Moroccan, Indian, Arab, or some other related food with lots of spiciness. Then just wait, and see if they still want to continue the occupation.

sounds reasonable

 

[Darwin333]

Suppose you have not been camping that much. I think their conditions are quite tame.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...ntact-unaware-of-world-war-ii-7354256/?no-ist

Shrug, it's one thing when it's necessary for survival. It's an entirely different thing when the conditions suck balls for days on end and your just a few miles from a town with stuff like working toilets, showers and heating. Regardless if either of us thinks they will tough it out, we damn sure shouldn't be purposefully making their situation comfortable. Make em freeze it out if they are so intent on staying. I'd bet you $10 that if they cut the power you'd see at least some people leaving in less than a week and even more the next week.

The nice thing about camping is that generally you are only there for a set time that you are comfortable with and you can leave anytime you damn well want. Besides, who the hell goes camping in that area at this time of the year? Do people seriously do that simply to "go camping" with no other goal in mind? If people do I seriously question their sanity. Again, I am born and raised in an area in which a single snowflake falling causes the mayor to shut down the entire city and the only way to get my ass outdoors in the snow/water slurry is to set my damn house on fire. I go camping in fishing camps on the bayou, mosquitoes suck balls but at least my dick hasn't been turned into an "inny".

 

[Darwin333]

That's what they want. Martyrdom.

Regardless of how it turns out, due process must be observed. What you suggest isn't that at all.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[waggy]

something needs to be done about them.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...refuge-native-american-artifacts-paiute-tribe

They are rummaging through native american artifacts. The native Indians that are from that area want them out and to stop trying to steal the land. They are afraid they will steal the artifacts.


These terrorist need to be delt with soon.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Bundy is talking to an FBI negotiator now:

Ammon Bundy, the mastermind of the takeover of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, has begun an open dialogue with the FBI.

According to a report from Oregon Public Broadcasting, Bundy traveled to a nearby airport Thursday to speak via telephone with an FBI mediator.Other agents were standing by, however. It is the first sign in nearly three weeks that the standoff may have an end in sight. The phone conversation came after Oregon Gov. Kate Brown (D) admonished the feds for not doing more to remove Bundy and his militiamen from the refuge.

According to OPB, Bundy told the FBI that he still held out hope that the end of the standoff could be brought about without violence.

“The only ones that are going to make this a non-peaceful event will be you guys — the FBI or other law enforcement,” Bundy said, according to the OPB report.

Bundy was not alone Thursday. He brought along Brian Cavalier, his so-called body guard who goes by the nickname "fluffy unicorn." Cavalier was present at the refuge in the early days of the standoff, but he was arrested in Arizona last week for an outstanding warrant. Apparently he has returned to Oregon.

Both the FBI mediator and Bundy agreed to talk again on Friday. The negotiator told Bundy that he wanted to "keep the dialogue going," according to OPB. Bundy told the FBI that the Constitution might offer the solution for the conflict. And before Bundy hung up he asked the FBI agent he was speaking to if he happened to be a member of the Mormon church. The man on the other line of the phone said he was not. Bundy said he asked because he thought the FBI might be connecting him with someone he might share a faith with in an attempt to build trust quicker.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bundy-starts-talking-with-fbi
God this is so bizarre. What does it take for law enforcement to actually enforce law on these asses?

 

[DrDoug]

As much as Bundy likes to defend the Hammonds, here's a story that focuses on those who had to deal with them in the past. While how long of a prison sentence is fair is debatable, IMO the two men are right where they belong.

Leading up to the 1994 incident were the death threats. Cameron says, “My wife would take these phone calls, it was terribly vulgar language. They said they were going to wrap my son in barbed wire and throw him down a well. They said they knew exactly which rooms my kids slept in, in Burns. There were death threats to my wife and two other staff members and their wives. My family went to Bend rather than be in the community because it was so volatile at the time. The families of my biologist and my deputy manager family had to relocate as well for a short time.”

Nice guys that Bundy is defending, eh?

 

[Jaskalas]

Bundy wants a Mormon, eh?
Send in Mitt Romney!

 

[WelshBloke]

Bundy is talking to an FBI negotiator now:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bundy-starts-talking-with-fbi
God this is so bizarre. What does it take for law enforcement to actually enforce law on these asses?

This...

According to OPB, Bundy told the FBI that he still held out hope that the end of the standoff could be brought about without violence.

...Is a weird comment.

Is anything stopping him just leaving?

That would be a simple end without violence.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

This...



...Is a weird comment.

Is anything stopping him just leaving?

That would be a simple end without violence.

Yah, because he wants his handout too.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

something needs to be done about them.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...refuge-native-american-artifacts-paiute-tribe

They are rummaging through native american artifacts. The native Indians that are from that area want them out and to stop trying to steal the land. They are afraid they will steal the artifacts.


These terrorist need to be delt with soon.

The impacted Tribe was smart. The occupiers were saying the Indians artifacts were not being stored properly and they wanted to give them back to the tribe for safe keeping. The Tribes spokeswoman essentially said, we're comfortable with how they are being stored & presented. Please put them back where you found them and btw we don't want to speak with you guys.

 

[norseamd]

The impacted Tribe was smart. The occupiers were saying the Indians artifacts were not being stored properly and they wanted to give them back to the tribe for safe keeping. The Tribes spokeswoman essentially said, we're comfortable with how they are being stored & presented. Please put them back where you found them and btw we don't want to speak with you guys.

Why was it smart of the tribe to act like that?

 

[Jhhnn]

Why was it smart of the tribe to act like that?

Because they have a relationship with the Feds that they find agreeable. They trust the Feds more than Y'allqaeda.