Armed Militia Members take over Federal Building in Oregon

[Darwin333]

At the end of the day they are squatting in an unoccupied building in the arse end of nowhere making idiots of themselves.
Do they really need the full force of the government deployed against them?
No ones been hurt, it might be nice to keep it that way.
I think that they have got (or are getting) the message that public opinion is hardening against them.

Let them piss off home and send them a bill for any damages caused.

While I agree that every attempt should be made to end this without bloodshed I question their decision to leave the utilities on. They should make it as uncomfortable as possible for them to stay. Cut off their heat and water/plumbing and all of a sudden it gets real uncomfortable for them. Let's see how long they can live off the land in the cold ass NW in the middle of January.

The town folk are right concerning the Hammond's. They have completely fucked any chance they might have had at some sort of reprieve. There is simply no way the .gov can capitulate to these sort of tactics and demands even if they had previously intended to.

 

[Jaskalas]

They capitulate each and every day that this continues.
There's 30 miles of lonely road between the occupied building and Burns.
Plenty of opportunity to catch and arrest with no civilian casualties.

Wait for them to be on the road, and apprehend them.

 

[SMOGZINN]

At the end of the day they are squatting in an unoccupied building in the arse end of nowhere making idiots of themselves.
Do they really need the full force of the government deployed against them?
No ones been hurt, it might be nice to keep it that way.
I think that they have got (or are getting) the message that public opinion is hardening against them.

Let them piss off home and send them a bill for any damages caused.

So you would argue that if I broke into my neighbors house and stole his TV that as long as I was armed the cops should just wait for me to return it instead of taking the chance that them or I might get hurt in the process of arresting me?

 

[WelshBloke]

So you would argue that if I broke into my neighbors house and stole his TV that as long as I was armed the cops should just wait for me to return it instead of taking the chance that them or I might get hurt in the process of arresting me?

Fail analogy is fail.

 

[Zorba]

So you would argue that if I broke into my neighbors house and stole his TV that as long as I was armed the cops should just wait for me to return it instead of taking the chance that them or I might get hurt in the process of arresting me?

As long as you stole it because he was using it to watch MSNBC. If he was watching Fox News, you deserve to be shot on sight.

 

[Zorba]

At the end of the day they are squatting in an unoccupied building in the arse end of nowhere making idiots of themselves.
Do they really need the full force of the government deployed against them?
No ones been hurt, it might be nice to keep it that way.
I think that they have got (or are getting) the message that public opinion is hardening against them.

Let them piss off home and send them a bill for any damages caused.

It wasn't an unoccupied building, there were no people in it on a holiday weekend, but the building has official use with official employees that can't report to work. I can't go take over KFC in the middle night and claim it was abandoned.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Fail analogy is fail.

How so? I'm not trolling you, I'm actually interested in how you see this as being much different. As far as I can tell the only real difference here is that these men are spouting a bunch of political rhetoric while they do their crime.

It wasn't an unoccupied building, there were no people in it on a holiday weekend, but the building has official use with official employees that can't report to work. I can't go take over KFC in the middle night and claim it was abandoned.

And BTW those workers are now getting paid to sit at home until this is over. I am betting that they are even getting a extra differential for being in a dangerous situation. So this situation is costing the government money.

 

[Jhhnn]

There comes a point legally where they go from honeypot to consent. I think they are dangerously close to a point where the courts will say that they can't charge other people with a crime when they explicitly allowed them to go and stay there.

No.

Ooh this is something that I haven't thought of. While I doubt it will get them off of criminal charges there is another angle to look at. If I knowingly allow someone to take over my property and do nothing about it then I'd be liable for everything that they did. If they decided to sell drugs out of my house they could seize my house. If they started a fire that spread to my neighbors wouldn't I be responsible as well?

And no.

Even though not a shot has been fired the facility is held by illegal force of arms. The govt would actually be under greater compulsion to remove them if it were private property where they weren't welcome.

 

[Jhhnn]

How so? I'm not trolling you, I'm actually interested in how you see this as being much different. As far as I can tell the only real difference here is that these men are spouting a bunch of political rhetoric while they do their crime.



And BTW those workers are now getting paid to sit at home until this is over. I am betting that they are even getting a extra differential for being in a dangerous situation. So this situation is costing the government money.

Govt workers probably aren't collecting hazardous duty pay. They would be if ordered to report to the refuge while the fools are still there. I worked as a govt surveyor long ago & we couldn't get hazardous pay until we were hanging our asses off a cliff on a rope.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I sent them a dildo today.

 

[WelshBloke]

How so? I'm not trolling you, I'm actually interested in how you see this as being much different. As far as I can tell the only real difference here is that these men are spouting a bunch of political rhetoric while they do their crime..

My home is my place of occupancy. My wife and kids are there.
If you occupied that it would cause me immense inconvenience and distress. I'd have to find accommodation for 4 people and clothes and sundry items for the same.

If you occupied my place of work I just wouldn't have to go to work for a bit.

I sent them a dildo today.

:awe: I now have a man crush on you!

 

[DrDoug]

I sent them a dildo today.

I know they say that they need snacks so a good meat substitute ought to make them happy. They can wash it down with a cool glass of personal lubricant from that 55 gallon drum they were sent.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I sent them a dildo today.

I hope it was used.

My home is my place of occupancy. My wife and kids are there.
If you occupied that it would cause me immense inconvenience and distress. I'd have to find accommodation for 4 people and clothes and sundry items for the same.

If you occupied my place of work I just wouldn't have to go to work for a bit.

So, it is just a matter of how much it inconveniences you? Because the federal government is having to incur unnecessary costs and lose productive work that was on going because these seditionists decided to take over a government building.

 

[norseamd]

Found a perfect vehicle for the Federal paramilitaries to use when assaulting the terrorists.

The Textron Marine and Land Systems M1117 Guardian Armored Security Vehicle.

 

[WelshBloke]

So, it is just a matter of how much it inconveniences you?

Not just me.

You think that taking over someones home is the same as this?

Because the federal government is having to incur unnecessary costs and lose productive work that was on going because these seditionists decided to take over a government building.

Yeah. I don't think that that's worth starting a shoot out over before all other avenues have been exhausted.

 

[Zorba]

Not just me.

You think that taking over someones home is the same as this?




Yeah. I don't think that that's worth starting a shoot out over before all other avenues have been exhausted.

It is a long way between cutting power and a shoot out.

 

[norseamd]

Let's see how long they can live off the land in the cold ass NW in the middle of January

That is easy. The only problem will be food, and they have a lot of stockpiles from what I have seen.

 

[nickqt]

Ask for federal volunteers to go and arrest them. You will get volunteers.

Tell the entire media that these volunteers will be unarmed, and will be entering federal property to arrest the trespassers. Invite them to roll cameras. Put video cameras on the volunteers.

Inform the right-wing idiots that unarmed federal agents will be entering the property to arrest all trespassers, and that they have cameras rolling, and that the media knows and is recording.

This is basically the federal government practicing passive resistance. It forces the cowards into either proving to be "constitutional martyrs" and getting arrested for their beliefs, or proving to be nothing but treasonous pieces of shit that deserve to be raided.

This is what should have been done at the beginning, and it's never too late.

Force these cowards into being grown-ups, or murderers, and then respond appropriately.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ask for federal volunteers to go and arrest them. You will get volunteers.

Tell the entire media that these volunteers will be unarmed, and will be entering federal property to arrest the trespassers. Invite them to roll cameras. Put video cameras on the volunteers.

Interesting idea have the Sheriff deputize local people it would be a Hollywood type ending.

 

[IronWing]

Good as time as any, good as place as any, to hold a Rainbow Gathering, I say.


Edit: ^^NSFW, I guess, in a sort of hippie weird way.

 

[nickqt]

Interesting idea have the Sheriff deputize local people it would be a Hollywood type ending.

Meh, not locals. Federal officers.

This is a bunch of cowardly morons trying to fight the man and be constitutional, by, uh, fighting the constitutional federal gub'mint.

If the federal government asked for volunteer officers, they'd get them. Put cameras on them, and get the media there rolling their cameras, and make sure everyone and everyone's sister knows.

And then we'd see whether these morons are protesting, or cowards who are committing treason. And the situation would resolve itself quickly.

Or we can just keep ignoring them...until they win.

 

[norseamd]

Force these cowards into being grown-ups, or murderers, and then respond appropriately.

Not worth it. You want to make volunteers turn themselves into a sitting waterfowl shoot just to prove a point about Vanilla ISIS?

Just roll into a whole platoon of M1117 armored cars covering each other while launching tear gas into the building. Maybe you could even use some type of tranquilizer gas to knock them all out, then just walk right in and handcuff all of their unconscious asses and haul them off to full security concrete fortresses.

 

[DrDoug]

A couple of interesting things popped up at Oregon Live yesterday. One is a story about how one of the Bundy Militia is a convicted murderer (killed father, convicted of 2nd deg. murder). He also makes it clear that he'll shoot the feds if they show up:

"We are peaceful people, I certainly am," he says. "And the only circumstance, the last extremity, I think that any gunshots would be fired is if the federalists tried to root us out of here. They would find out then, that we are not playing. We're not gonna give an inch. And I say that very seriously."

Sounds like the kind of stable, level-headed kind of guy that a religious man like Bundy would like to have around.

The second story is that our Governor, Kate Brown, is putting pressure on the Feds to get this over with already. as this fight between the feds and the outsiders in our state is causing problems at the local level and costing us lots of cash.

She confirmed that federal authorities had asked her office and other local officials to say as little as possible about the occupation to keep from adding any fuel to the occupiers' rhetorical fire. But that didn't stop her from speaking out all the same.

"This spectacle of lawlessness must end," Brown said.

That's what really sucks about this; it's pretty much a battle that was started by outsiders who wanted an excuse to tangle with the feds.

We're just the venue. :thumbsdown:

 

[trenchfoot]

The Federal authorities could turn loose their psyops spooks on this hapless band of losers (loudspeakers at 120 Db playing acid rock "music" 24/7 anyone?) They could, from a safe distance and with relative ease, erect hesco bastions surrounding the structure currently being occupied to literally isolate the wayward miscreants from the rest of the world.

The possibilities are infinite given the resources the federal agencies have at their beck and call.

It's only a matter of what level of response that public opinion will deem acceptable toward incarcerating the lawbreakers.

 

[brycejones]

The Federal authorities could turn loose their psyops spooks on this hapless band of losers (loudspeakers at 120 Db playing acid rock "music" 24/7 anyone?) They could, from a safe distance and with relative ease, erect hesco bastions surrounding the structure currently being occupied to literally isolate the wayward miscreants from the rest of the world.

The possibilities are infinite given the resources the federal agencies have at their beck and call.

It's only a matter of what level of response that public opinion will deem acceptable toward incarcerating the lawbreakers.

Build a wall around the building and some land, give them some seeds, they can stay as long as they want. Nothing goes in though after those seeds. Make their families pay for the wall.