Armed Militia Members take over Federal Building in Oregon

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Let me guess this woman doesn't live in town

You may hide behind lies....and using media to further your agenda....But you can not hide from GOD! you will answer to him, for what you have done and what you are doing..... the best thing you can do as sheriff....is to tell the FEDS, and BLM to REMOVE themselves from your community, and return stolden land back to the ranchers!
 

kage69

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Bundy doesn't give a shit about the locals, all he cares about are the ranchers. His people.

It's getting more and more mutual. I have elk-hunting friends in Medford who are every bit as back woods as this guy. The only thing they want from him is to go back home to Phoenix, Arizona and quit making ranchers look like ignorant free-loading idiots.

I really hope this thing concludes without anyone getting hurt. However, if some boneheaded yokels want to threaten and antagonize law enforcement hoping to set some of their Gadsen flag draped fantasies in motion....oh well. I hope they are supplied with all the flashbangs, pepperspray, Tazers and dog teeth they deserve. If they up the ante with gunfire, let SWAT handle it in the manner with which they are accustomed.
 

Vic

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The Bundy Facebook page is a trainwreck. Conspiracy theories, bizarre ideas about the Constitution that not one of the Founding Fathers would have ever agreed with, religious extremism, but most of all entitlement.
They seem to be of the belief that the law doesn't apply to them, and that anything the public owns they can simply take for their private use. And that, while they're helping themselves to whatever they believe they're entitled to, they're somehow 'Patriots' fighting for all of us.
Can't fix stupid.
 

waggy

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It's getting more and more mutual. I have elk-hunting friends in Medford who are every bit as back woods as this guy. The only thing they want from him is to go back home to Phoenix, Arizona and quit making ranchers look like ignorant free-loading idiots.

I really hope this thing concludes without anyone getting hurt. However, if some boneheaded yokels want to threaten and antagonize law enforcement hoping to set some of their Gadsen flag draped fantasies in motion....oh well. I hope they are supplied with all the flashbangs, pepperspray, Tazers and dog teeth they deserve. If they up the ante with gunfire, let SWAT handle it in the manner with which they are accustomed.

I was a farmer. I know many farmers, ranchers, dairy farmers and pig farmers (you got any idea how hard it is to plant pigs? let me tell you its a bitch!). NONE of the men i know back these guys. Many have issues with the government. BUT NONE of them would back these terrorist. they are trying to get land for free and ruin it.

many are embarrassed with how these "country boys" are acting and think the police are being to nice to them.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I must've posted a few pages back.

I've been entertained by the various cartoons emerging from this fiasco, such as David Horsey's in the LA Times.

Let me explain my biases, if you can call them that. I have a come-lately aversion to cowboy hats, rodeos, boots that look like mother's shoes. And the reason for that derives from what I'd only found out about my Texas family at the age of ~60 through a family member's genealogical research. When a gang of little cornpone assholes in 1925 beat up my father's siblings in the new public school-yard (3 generations behind them from my great-great-grandfather's 1850 immigration at Corpus Christi) -- shouting "dumb Pollacks and Catholics" -- I forged my current stereotypical bias.

I've looked into this matter of the "Hammonds and the Bundys."

The Hammonds had over the last decade set fires on their own land which grew out of control and burned some 140 acres of federal land -- among thousands of acres. So they were charged eventually with arson, and there had been a sentencing recommendation by the local judge that accorded probation with the leveling of any federal sentencing minimum. The BLM appealed the decision, hoping to get the terrorist statutory revisions since 1999 applied to the sentence for a 5-year-minimum. Lawyers on behalf of the Hammonds -- and the judge who presided over their initial plea-bargain -- argue that 5 years under these recent statutes violated the 8th Amendment pertaining to "cruel and unusual punishment."

These were not fires that threatened structures or people in the meaning of the statutory revisions, which addressed terrorist acts in more urban contexts.

Enter the Bundys, who simply wanted to graze for free on federal land, and owed a considerable pile of change they failed to pay over the years like other ranchers. Before that point, the BLM's acquisition of land according to imperatives of fish and wildlife wasn't the issue. In fact, it had been determined that the "controlled burn" which got out of control actually increased the value of government land that was burned.

BLM had continued to pursue their draconian sentencing preferences for the Hammonds in court of appeals despite the original plea agreement. THAT was the issue.

The Bundys' involvement, and the way this little band of rancher-activists articulated their gripes, has turned the affair into a symbolic cause against the federal agency and the federal role in land management generally. So you even hear denouncement of EPA in their rants. They have, parallel to the plot of a Carlos Castaneda novel, turned a housefly issue into a Godzilla Fly.

I suppose as cartoonists continue to belittle the cowboys, I will also continue to snicker about it. No less because I like to replay "No Country for Old Men" or "The Last Picture Show" so I can snicker at the cornpone script.

This makes me wonder about BLM and its own culture, since the spouse of one of their officials -- Sharon Angle -- had run for US Senator in Nevada with her own cornpone, halfwit rants. I've always held NPS and the Forest Service in the highest regard, but often wondered just who BLM serves. I could almost guess that, among their ranks, there's an insurgency bent on destroying their own agency or its public image.

That's all just speculation. The Bundys? A bunch of cornpone cuckoo free-grazers and freeloaders. The Hammonds? Their cause has been hijacked and blown out of proportion.

Hijacked by Hicks.
 
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chucky2

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if they were black they would of been gunned down already.

I didn't see too many Blacks being gunned down when they were literally tearing up real entire towns. But hey, whatever floats your persecution complex...
 

JD50

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if they were black they would of been gunned down already.

Like in Baltimore City when the Mayor ordered the police to stand down and "give those that wish to destroy space to do that?"

I agree that it would be handled differently if it wasn't a group of white guys, but the hyperbole doesn't help.
 

linthat22

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Bunch of idiocy in this thread. Anyone seen where the FBI is working with the militia on this to keep this peaceful?
 

kage69

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The Bundy Facebook page is a trainwreck. Conspiracy theories, bizarre ideas about the Constitution that not one of the Founding Fathers would have ever agreed with, religious extremism, but most of all entitlement.
They seem to be of the belief that the law doesn't apply to them, and that anything the public owns they can simply take for their private use. And that, while they're helping themselves to whatever they believe they're entitled to, they're somehow 'Patriots' fighting for all of us.
Can't fix stupid.

This.

Like father like son. I'm still laughing at his dad for the anti-government (at times racist) rant he gave before his PR stunt of saddling up on a horse while proudly holding up an American flag.

Be it a clerk's office in Kentucky, or a windburned plain in Oregon, it's telling that these kinds of situations usually arise from a specific type/group being quite full of themselves. I bet Fox talking heads are just beside themselves, not able to spin this as yet another evil assault on religious freedom, it must be maddening.
 

MrPickins

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Let me guess this woman doesn't live in town

You may hide behind lies....and using media to further your agenda....But you can not hide from GOD! you will answer to him, for what you have done and what you are doing..... the best thing you can do as sheriff....is to tell the FEDS, and BLM to REMOVE themselves from your community, and return stolden land back to the ranchers!

Poe's Law is in full effect here.
 

kage69

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Bunch of idiocy in this thread. Anyone seen where the FBI is working with the militia on this to keep this peaceful?

Maybe 'all us idiots' remember the FBI's recent professionalism wrt the PP shooter and just don't give a fuck.

The FBI is hardly alone wanting cool heads there.
 
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Moonbeam

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The Bundy Facebook page is a trainwreck. Conspiracy theories, bizarre ideas about the Constitution that not one of the Founding Fathers would have ever agreed with, religious extremism, but most of all entitlement.
They seem to be of the belief that the law doesn't apply to them, and that anything the public owns they can simply take for their private use. And that, while they're helping themselves to whatever they believe they're entitled to, they're somehow 'Patriots' fighting for all of us.
Can't fix stupid.

Entitlement takes two forms for minds that use words to describe things, a duality that creates much paradox, again for thinking people, folk that is who don't experience real knowledge intuitively, but via philosophizing.

There entitlements that are real, of the self evident kind knowable to those who know themselves. These consist of the human rights that adhere to our being, that exist as a result of our divine creation. These are revealed to a person based on his or her loss of ego and are founded in the empathetic love of everything that naturally flows from that state of selfless presence.

Entitlement for the ego is of another kind. It arises our of a fundamentally different attitudinal state, the sense not that one is in possession of a great gift, but the neediness that arises when that attitude is missing. It comes from the feeling that one has been robed of ones most precious feelings and is a demand to get them back, the feeling that one isn't full of gifts but has been stripped of them. This is a feeling that is inculcated by conditioning. It is a mark of those who are poor of spirit, blindness to the fact that we are all infinitely gifted.
 

DrDoug

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Word is that the Bundy Boys are planning a meeting with only locals this Friday to talk about their "exit strategy". At the same time they were seen clearing out a large building at the preserve today, saying that they were expecting a large delivery. Some area ranchers were seen dropping off supplies like frozen beef, hay and so on. So they want a meeting to discuss their exit strategy with the locals while stocking up for the long haul? Yet more bullshit from the liars.

The ranchers who are supporting these assholes should lose their access to public lands for doing so, even if it destroys their ranches. Fuck them.

ETA:

Good catch! With neo-nazi Ritzheimer and this guy there there's no doubt that the God-loving devout Mormon Ammon Bundy has wrapped his arms around white supremacists.
 
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DrDoug

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I found this posted by someone and it sounds like the militia is preparing to escalate things...
The militants will now put officials like Sheriff Ward on trial for treason.
— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) January 12, 2016
and from that Twitter feed...

JJ MacNab ‏@jjmacnab 3h3 hours ago I heard this off camera, "We're getting security teams as Marshals." They may try to arrest the sheriff, the AUSA, and the Judge shortly.
I really hope these idiots don't go full metal stupid and if they choose to do so I hope the law deals with them swiftly and effectively.
 

K1052

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Self-appointed 'judge' arrives in Burns to ask local residents to charge government officials with crimes

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/self-appointed_judge_arrives_i.html#incart_big-photo

A self-proclaimed "U.S. Superior Court judge" who has been involved in past property rights protests in other states arrived Tuesday in Burns with plans to convene an extra-legal "citizens grand jury" that he said will review evidence that public officials may have committed crimes.

Bruce Doucette, a 54-year-old owner of a computer design and repair shop in suburban Denver, told The Oregonian/OregonLive, that he made the trip at the request of Harney County residents. He said he met with the armed occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to hear their evidence, which he called "significant," that government officials have committed crimes.