Armed Militia Members take over Federal Building in Oregon

[chucky2]

Kind of wish we could revoke their citizenship. They have said they do not recognize the authority of the federal government. Fine, they then become illegal immigrants. Deport their asses to any country that will take them.

Except if we did that it'd mean they'd end up here, since we make only a token gesture of controlling our illegal invasion numbers. I mean, you're basically saying they'd end up in CA or here in Chicago. I don't want them in Chicago, unless they're going to start thinning out the local population. Hmmm...that's not a bad idea.... :hmm:

 

[WackyDan]

because they couldn't keep doing whatever they wanted to land they had no right to be using.

Not defending them overall...

*But... There seems to be a lot lost in context when it comes to the issue of land use and the BLM constantly changing the rules on ranchers who have indeed paid the federal fee per acre to use that land for watering or grazing livestock.

The other issue is the two ranchers being charged with a terrorist labeled crime vs just arson. One carries the mandatory sentencing that they were stuffed with along with a denied appeal... Calling setting that fire an act of terror seems to be a stretch.

So I get part of their complaint... The rest of it along with their supporters and tactics tend to be a bit on the crazy side.

So I think people should consider how the BLM in part shaped this mess, and how the 8th amendment was abused in their sentencing. That is worthy of discussion at least.

 

[soundforbjt]

 

[chucky2]

Not defending them overall...

*But... There seems to be a lot lost in context when it comes to the issue of land use and the BLM constantly changing the rules on ranchers who have indeed paid the federal fee per acre to use that land for watering or grazing livestock.

The other issue is the two ranchers being charged with a terrorist labeled crime vs just arson. One carries the mandatory sentencing that they were stuffed with along with a denied appeal... Calling setting that fire an act of terror seems to be a stretch.

So I get part of their complaint... The rest of it along with their supporters and tactics tend to be a bit on the crazy side.

So I think people should consider how the BLM in part shaped this mess, and how the 8th amendment was abused in their sentencing. That is worthy of discussion at least.

Haha dude you're crazy. These guys are white, likely Christian, and men, you think any of these people want to talk about how their stiffy producing Big Gov may have gone overboard? Come on now, be realistic...

 

[Vic]

https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/06/making-a-murderer-and-malheur-militia

The right has been maliciously blocking for years the left's every attempt at justice from government overreach, and they're expecting sympathy now? Seriously?
The right cheered when the government murdered a 12 year old boy playing in the park, applauded when the government shot an unarmed man in back, and laughed when the government killed someone just for fun on a "rough ride."
The left warned about the dangers of the police state, and the right snickered at the prospect of all the police unions voting for them in unison.
Now you reap what you sow.

 

[K1052]

Not defending them overall...

*But... There seems to be a lot lost in context when it comes to the issue of land use and the BLM constantly changing the rules on ranchers who have indeed paid the federal fee per acre to use that land for watering or grazing livestock.

My sympathy tank is at 0% for people who pay pennies for dollars in value with BLM grazing permits and treat it like their god given right is being infringed upon if anything, at all, changes. The BLM does't exist solely to fatten ranchers bottom lines at the expense of the taxpayer....even though they've allowed that to happen through neglect and the interference of congressional leaders on behalf of local interests.

 

[Jhhnn]

I don't know of another way to put it. If you're justifying law non-enforcement due to fear of reprisal you're justifying terrorism. I think you're also erroneously weighing jailed/dead martyrs over emboldened active antagonists.

It's not because of fear of reprisal. It's because there are better ways to proceed than the way the BATFE set the inevitable in motion in Waco. Innocents died. Sending in the Cavalry isn't always the right answer.

I really don't see how the current handling of the Malheur occupation emboldens activists. They called for revolution & nobody showed up. They claim repression even though they suffer none. If anything, that should convince their sympathizers that such tactics are counter productive.

It's made them into a laughingstock.

 

[Jhhnn]

Kind of wish we could revoke their citizenship. They have said they do not recognize the authority of the federal government. Fine, they then become illegal immigrants. Deport their asses to any country that will take them.

Not that I support the idea but we could keep them at Gitmo until that mythical country is found...

 

[Big Cheese]

If these were muslims we'd already be burying their bodies.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

If these were muslims we'd already be burying their bodies.

kind of what I was implying here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37937654&postcount=68

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It's not because of fear of reprisal. It's because there are better ways to proceed than the way the BATFE set the inevitable in motion in Waco. Innocents died. Sending in the Cavalry isn't always the right answer.

I really don't see how the current handling of the Malheur occupation emboldens activists. They called for revolution & nobody showed up. They claim repression even though they suffer none. If anything, that should convince their sympathizers that such tactics are counter productive.

It's made them into a laughingstock.

There is a whole lot of daylight between sending in the cavalry and the bunch of nothing that's being done now. These people might be laughingstock to the general public, but that doesn't matter if they are still getting enough support (or, lack of any real push back) to keep on with what they're doing. The power's still on, they're free to enter and exit, they haven't been ordered to disperse, and they're emboldened enough to flatten the tires on the sheriff's wife's car and stalk deputies. It's not deescalating, and angry-ish words from the locals and silence if not outright absence from the feds isn't going to change that.

 

[IronWing]

White Privilege Performance Art

 

[IronWing]

https://reason.com/blog/2016/01/06/making-a-murderer-and-malheur-militia

Your blog post misses the big picture by a mile. These guys were born to hereditary privilege (grazing preference) but they want all the bananas and are throwing a tantrum in hopes of gathering more bananas to themselves. They are no different than the guy who holds up the convenience store, waving their guns around hoping someone gives them what they want.

 

[JSt0rm]

White Privilege Performance Art

 

[Fern]

White Privilege Performance Art

LOL

Fern

 

[IronWing]

Oh noes, relief incoming!

 

[bshole]

Oh noes, relief incoming!

Dude has a camel toe. How da fuq does a dude have a camel toe?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

So the occupiers have declined the sheriff's request to end the standoff:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-idUSKBN0UL2IW20160108
Apparently he's planning to go back tomorrow and may even escalate it to a suggestion.

 

[DrDoug]

Dude has a camel toe. How da fuq does a dude have a camel toe?

It's an innie and not an outie? :biggrin:

Regarding the fun going on at the wildlife refuge...

About their fundraising:

Jon Ritzheimer, the Arizona militiaman known for organizing anti-Muslim rallies and fundraising through his “Rogue Infidel” site, went to see Oshaugnessy at the motel and found him drinking there, according to Maureen Peltier, a disabled National Guard woman who claims to be the group’s official spokeswoman.
Peltier said Ritzheimer had confirmed that Oshaugnessy had kept the money he had raised through social media for himself and had spent at least some of it on a drinking binge.
Another militant, Cai Irvin, tearfully announced Oshaungnessy’s departure in a Facebook video.
“Ritzheimer did call me — he’s f*cking pissed, he’s mad, he’s upset,” Irvin said. “He told me to tell all of you that Joe Oshaugnessy is a deserter and a coward.”

Something embarrassing about one of the Bundy bodyguards has come to light:

A key figure in the armed militia takeover of a federal building in Oregon has been posing as a retired US Marine to boost his 'combat' credentials, Daily Mail Online can reveal.
Brian Cavalier – the personal bodyguard of controversial ranchers Cliven and Ammon Bundy who lead the group – openly boasted to members of the press that he is a Marine who served in Afghanistan and Iraq.
But Daily Mail Online has learned that Cavalier, 44, has faked his military background to appear more credible as a militia henchman - a fact sure to anger some of the group's supporters.

I bet it will...lol!

It seems that another militia dude wants to get the women and children out of the wildlife preserve:

Violence broke out at the Bundy compound Wednesday night between its militant occupants and members of an outside group whose leader says he wants to get women and children out of the compound. Lewis Arthur, who leads a group called Veterans on Patrol and calls himself an anti-violence patriot, arrived Wednesday afternoon with a small crew.
By Wednesday night, one of Arthur's three-person crew was in the hospital, his eye blackened from a punch to the face.

'Sane' militia guys want to get women and children out of the there because they don't think women and children belong in a fight zone.

What a fucking mess.

 

[WackyDan]

Haha dude you're crazy. These guys are white, likely Christian, and men, you think any of these people want to talk about how their stiffy producing Big Gov may have gone overboard? Come on now, be realistic...

I know right? **But the gov't didn't roll into Fergussen and Baltimore and mow down the blacks who were looting or setting fire to their town. Last I knew in those towns none of the rioters who set fires were charged with terrorism either... Yet I keep hearing if these men were black or some other ethic background they'd already be dead.

 

[nickqt]

I know right? **But the gov't didn't roll into Fergussen and Baltimore and mow down the blacks who were looting or setting fire to their town. Last I knew in those towns none of the rioters who set fires were charged with terrorism either... Yet I keep hearing if these men were black or some other ethic background they's already be dead.

Rioting in the streets is exactly the same thing as pointing a gun at government employees and threatening to murder any government employee who dares to enforce the law. If you're a delusional conservative.

Please, keep up the analysis, y'all. This is awesome.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

This is adorable:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYJ5PuwUwAET4Qf.jpg

I wish I knew how to quit you!

 

[IronWing]

I know right? **But the gov't didn't roll into Fergussen and Baltimore and mow down the blacks who were looting or setting fire to their town. Last I knew in those towns none of the rioters who set fires were charged with terrorism either... Yet I keep hearing if these men were black or some other ethic background they'd already be dead.

The arsonists and thieves of Fergussen and Baltimore should be charged as well. I even bet there are threads on this very forum addressing this very issue.

 

[DrDoug]

This is adorable:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYJ5PuwUwAET4Qf.jpg

I wish I knew how to quit you!

An inventive mind wonders what is going on at the reserve at night via #bundyeroticfanfic.

"I want you to take me like Obama takes our freedoms," Jed whispered. The sound of a Carhartt zipper was his only response.

 

[Vic]

I know right? **But the gov't didn't roll into Fergussen and Baltimore and mow down the blacks who were looting or setting fire to their town. Last I knew in those towns none of the rioters who set fires were charged with terrorism either... Yet I keep hearing if these men were black or some other ethic background they'd already be dead.

Would you feel better if a sheriff's deputy shot a protester in the back 8 times? Or I'm sure that at least one of them is carrying a pocket knife, perhaps the sheriff could pick one to take on a scenic ride around the county? That tends to get the party started.