Armed Militia Members take over Federal Building in Oregon

[zinfamous]

They haven't attacked anybody!! You're just a bag of emotion knee-jerking at this point. Best of luck making whatever point you're trying to make. :thumbsup:

Are you happy that they have taken the public land (that you pay for) and claimed as part of their own personal fiefdom, stationing redneck snipers on guard towers and trucking in children to act as body shields?

Is this something that you actually support?

These 2 guys never attacked anyone--they didn't even have guns:

Yet you and your kin were just a bag of emotion knee-jerking reaction mongers when they had the temerity to stand outside a polling station.

 

[boomerang]

I apologize for getting in your face like that.

There is no apology necessary. I'm a live and let live guy.

I will always say what is on my mind. All my friends, my family and my wife know that. I'm the kind of guy where people know that if they don't think they want to hear the answer I'm going to give, they better not ask the question. I don't really give a shit what people think of me or why. Life's too damned short to worry about what other people think of me.

Many of my co-worker's used to say I was an asshole. My answer was that I didn't take this job to make friends. Those co-workers that "got" me, we had friendships. I never lamented over those with whom I didn't "click".

 

[MongGrel]

oh, the birth-via-asshole one.

I once got an infraction for that.

I've gotten a few for much less.

 

[MongGrel]

There is no apology necessary. I'm a live and let live guy.

I will always say what is on my mind. All my friends, my family and my wife know that. I'm the kind of guy where people know that if they don't think they want to hear the answer I'm going to give, they better not ask the question. I don't really give a shit what people think of me or why. Life's too damned short to worry about what other people think of me.

Many of my co-worker's used to say I was an asshole. My answer was that I didn't take this job to make friends. Those co-workers that "got" me, we had friendships. I never lamented over those with whom I didn't "click".

Tool Shops in general are a land many people will never venture into.

It's not like working in a Starbucks.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Are you happy that they have taken the public land (that you pay for) and claimed as part of their own personal fiefdom, stationing redneck snipers on guard towers and trucking in children to act as body shields?

Is this something that you actually support?

These 2 guys never attacked anyone--they didn't even have guns:

Yet you and your kin were just a bag of emotion knee-jerking reaction mongers when they had the temerity to stand outside a polling station.

I pretty much agree with everything. I've seen this picture floating around. I have no idea what those guys were up to however I do feel voting stations are sacred and nobody should be milling around the entrance with any agenda other than voting and saying a brief hello to a neighbor. That doesn't mean someone can hold signs and such they simply should be well away from the entrance.

Again I have no idea what these guys were up to they may have been leaving after voting but anything else and they should be told to take it across the street.

 

[Genx87]

If anybody is interested in reading the 9th circuit decision.

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2014/02/07/12-30337.pdf

The reasoning is a bit scary when you think about it. They cite other ridiculous sentencing decisions as a reason why throwing people in jail for 5 years over 140 acres of burned public land is a-ok and not cruel and unusual.

I also find it troubling the defendants entered into a plea with the govt, and the govt appealed the sentencing. IMO if a defendant and state enters a plea, both sides should waive rights to further appeals, not just one side. 1 year in jail for burning 140 acres of public land should had satisfied the govts position. To appeal that is spiteful.

 

[fskimospy]

If anybody is interested in reading the 9th circuit decision.

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2014/02/07/12-30337.pdf

The reasoning is a bit scary when you think about it. They cite other ridiculous sentencing decisions as a reason why throwing people in jail for 5 years over 140 acres of burned public land is a-ok.

Well their main holding is that the district judge sentenced them illegally (below the mandatory minimum). He did so with the argument that the mandatory minimum was unconstitutional, which is what the appeals court found to be wrong.

While I agree that 5 years as a minimum for this sentence seems high, it's certainly (and unfortunately) not out of line with punishments we give for much less serious crimes like selling drugs. Arson carries with it serious risk to life and property far in excess of any drug sentence, so if those aren't unconstitutional it's hard to see how this would be.

To me the real answer is that we should drastically reduce prison sentences for basically every crime. That doesn't mean that these guys get a special waiver though.

I also find it troubling the defendants entered into a plea with the govt, and the govt appealed the sentencing. IMO if a defendant and state enters a plea, both sides should waive rights to further appeals, not just one side. 1 year in jail for burning 140 acres of public land should had satisfied the govts position. To appeal that is spiteful.

While I agree with your sentiment, I thought the court's opinion on this was pretty persuasive. The Hammonds argued that there was an implicit waiver of the right to appeal that's part of the plea. I don't know about you but situations where we start implicitly waiving rights to court access sound like a bad idea to me. Imagine if the situation were reversed: say that the Hammonds only plead guilty due to some egregious government misconduct of some sort. Should their right to appeal have been considered to be implicitly waived?

 

[dank69]

5 years for burning 140 acres doesn't seem out of line to me. That sounds like a pretty big fucking fire.

 

[MongGrel]

5 years for burning 140 acres doesn't seem out of line to me. That sounds like a pretty big fucking fire.

Hey that was just to cover up the poaching to begin with.

Game Wardens have more authority than a lot of enforcement to begin with.

That would be a good reality show, not sure if anyone has done it.

Being a game warden is almost like being a US Marshall, I guess you run amok and look for people trying to kill critters illegally and bust em.

 

[blankslate]

Found this....

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[K1052]

Reading some of the longer backstory on this family and their run-ins with the law/BLM I can't say I'm very sympathetic to their (arguably) improper sentence being appealed by the justice department.

As to the morons that have attached themselves like parasites to this for their own attention whoring I say wait them out then come back 6 months later, arrest everybody involved, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[blankslate]

Useless comments from stupid, trolling cunts. Thanks for your contributions, you worthless fucks.

Go read my last few posts there they weren't rude asshole post unlike what has become common practice for a few, but thanks for showing how willing you are to go to the insults and name calling.



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[chucky2]

More being indoctrinated as future terrorists. It's just a fact.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

When you have 6 years old's running around yelling death to infidels and things like that, it's just an issue also.

Have been some 12 and 13 years old's in the past leading some pretty large terror organizations actually.

But that is enough of the misdirection on your part for now.

Ruh ro, every Lefty in P&N will be calling you a POS xenophobic racist brown baby killer in 3, 2, ...

 

[VRAMdemon]

I wonder if some journalist will dig up if Bundy is receiving subsidies? Wouldn't be surprised.

 

[IronWing]

Cut the power and cut the disability checks and the thing should blow over.

 

[Subyman]

I liked the post that said build a wall around it and turn it into a federal prison lol.

 

[feralkid]

While I agree that 5 years as a minimum for this sentence seems high, it's certainly (and unfortunately) not out of line with punishments we give for much less serious crimes like selling drugs. Arson carries with it serious risk to life and property far in excess of any drug sentence, so if those aren't unconstitutional it's hard to see how this would be.

Having personally seen the destruction wildfires have wrought on homes, towns and resources, I think 5 years may be too light.

In the old days, out here in the West, these skunks would have been fortunate if they escaped the hangman.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Having personally seen the destruction wildfires have wrought on homes, towns and resources, I think 5 years may be too light.

In the old days, out here in the West, these skunks would have been fortunate if they escaped the hangman.

No kidding, arson out west = huge fucking deal, not that it's any more acceptable in NYC. But 5 years for that seems very reasonable, if not slightly lenient.

 

[bshole]

Reading some of the longer backstory on this family and their run-ins with the law/BLM I can't say I'm very sympathetic to their (arguably) improper sentence being appealed by the justice department.

As to the morons that have attached themselves like parasites to this for their own attention whoring I say wait them out then come back 6 months later, arrest everybody involved, and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.

And while they are holed up in the federal building.... go burn down their personal residences/property as vengeance for them burning the public land. Might help them to understand that burning other peoples property is not so fun on the receiving end. I am longing for the day when these people are all in prison serving life sentences.

I am having a hard time distinguishing between right wing nutbars and muslim terrorists, is there any difference at all?

 

[feralkid]

And while they are holed up in the federal building.... go burn down their personal residences/property as vengeance for them burning the public land. Might help them to understand that burning other peoples property is not so fun on the receiving end. I am longing for the day when these people are all in prison serving life sentences.

I am having a hard time distinguishing between right wing nutbars and muslim terrorists, is there any difference at all?

The people holed-up in the wildlife sanctuary are not the people who were convicted of arson..

They simply claim that conviction as one of their grievances.

 

[fskimospy]

The people holed-up in the wildlife sanctuary are not the people who were convicted of arson..

They simply claim that conviction as one of their grievances.

Yeah, the people convicted of arson have said they don't want anything to do with these clowns.

 

[JSt0rm]

they were told at the plea deal that the minimum was 5 years. So I dont see why they would cry about it after the fact.

 

[MongGrel]

Ruh ro, every Lefty in P&N will be calling you a POS xenophobic racist brown baby killer in 3, 2, ...

The amusing part is I get called a Lefty a lot of the time

 

[LegendKiller]

And while they are holed up in the federal building.... go burn down their personal residences/property as vengeance for them burning the public land. Might help them to understand that burning other peoples property is not so fun on the receiving end. I am longing for the day when these people are all in prison serving life sentences.

I am having a hard time distinguishing between right wing nutbars and muslim terrorists, is there any difference at all?

Because burning some land with little to no value, exempt for cattle grazing, in the middle of nowhere, is the same.

 

[K1052]

And while they are holed up in the federal building.... go burn down their personal residences/property as vengeance for them burning the public land. Might help them to understand that burning other peoples property is not so fun on the receiving end. I am longing for the day when these people are all in prison serving life sentences.

I am having a hard time distinguishing between right wing nutbars and muslim terrorists, is there any difference at all?

From everything I've read the Hammonds want nothing to do with this action and are willing obey the courts. These assholes just showed up to start crap using this as an excuse.