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BurnItDwn said:
buckshot, it seems like you are fixated on one particular aspect of evolution that you do not understand. The formation of new genes.

New genes form in a variety of ways. "Genetic copying errors" is not the full picture. It is more like a talking point, it sounds fancy, but it's just bullshit.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2945180/
This is the very first result in a google search for "evolution new genes formed"

It explains much about the different mechanisms for how new genes evolve, not just through "duplication". A lot of this does go over my head since I am not an expert on the subject, but, the general jist of it is that people fuck, and than baby is born. People can fuck missionary, they can fuck doggy style, as long as sperm goes to egg, baby can be formed. There are many ways in which new genes evolve, as long as certain criteria are met, it happens naturally. It's repeatable, able to be induced almost at will by scientists.
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Even if you have all the new genes you need, how do you put them together? Ever take a part a carburetor while not knowing what you're doing? I'm not fixated on "parts" I'm fixated on how those copying errors coordinate in order to make 100 part molecular machines. You're dumbing it down so much to try and make it more plausible.
 
JSt0rm said:
Do you have free choice or are you a predetermined cog in a great wheel?
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There is no great wheel if I am merely a meat machine like naturalists believe. But determinism is unavoidable in that scenario. The only free will that can exist is if God created man with that ability.
 
Man, did they build the absolute perfect target for a Muslim terrorist, or what? Wonder what kind of security they have.
 
buckshot24 said:
Same reason I don't debate other topics. Choice.
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So have we come to the point where you admit you aren't really interested in discussing anything? This seems to be a consistent thing with you in many threads. You assert something then say you don't want to debate it or even support it.

If so we can all put you on ignore and you can still post away.
 
brycejones said:
So have we come to the point where you admit you aren't really interested in discussing anything? This seems to be a consistent thing with you in many threads. You assert something then say you don't want to debate it or even support it.

If so we can all put you on ignore and you can still post away.
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Please put me on ignore. Google for your answers, you will find them. I'm not going to spoon feed you because I know what will happen. I'll be drawn into a debate I don't want to have.
 
buckshot24 said:
Even if you have all the new genes you need, how do you put them together? Ever take a part a carburetor while not knowing what you're doing? I'm not fixated on "parts" I'm fixated on how those copying errors coordinate in order to make 100 part molecular machines. You're dumbing it down so much to try and make it more plausible.
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there is no "coordinate".
Lets speculate there 1000 new genes created each time a species mates. Some of these will be beneficial to the survival of the individuals of the next generation, some of them will be harmful.

When the offspring of this species mates with others of it's species, every generation there are many new genes created.

There is no "big change happening at once", it's subtle little changes. It is micro scale changes to the parts.
 
buckshot24 said:
10^20 mammals have ever existed. How much variation can you get in that number of animals, by blind processes? How many changes needed to occur in order for a mouse like creature to turn into people, whales, and bats? You've only got around 10^20 opportunities to get all this done.

Any change requiring 3 simultaneous mutations will happen once every 10^27 cell divisions.
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I'm curious if you've ever considered that these people who literally do these calculations & manipulate dna or such for a living might know something you of all people don't. I mean, I'm pretty you just copied/pasted those symbols off some kooky website, and can't even tell parts of a cell nevermind identify dna (hint, it doesn't just look like a twisted ladder) if your life depended on it.

Sort of like someone who can't even piece together ikea furniture proclaiming NASA is fake because according to them man can't surmount god's gravity.
 
buckshot24 said:
Please put me on ignore. Google for your answers, you will find them. I'm not going to spoon feed you because I know what will happen. I'll be drawn into a debate I don't want to have.
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Here you go kids, you can put buckshat on ignore. He is not interested in supporting his assertions or having an honest discussion about them. Troll is troll I guess.
 
BurnItDwn said:
there is no "coordinate".
Lets speculate there 1000 new genes created each time a species mates. Some of these will be beneficial to the survival of the individuals of the next generation, some of them will be harmful.
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1000 new genes?!! I think you don't know what you're talking about. If there were 1000 new genes from every baby we would die off in very short order. There are only 20k to 25k genes in humans to begin with. You say there aren't massive changes but posit 1000 new genes in a single generation! haha.
When the offspring of this species mates with others of it's species, every generation there are many new genes created.
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Educate yourself.
There is no "big change happening at once", it's subtle little changes. It is micro scale changes to the parts.
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That is the Dr. Suess version. Don't you find it interesting that echolocation evolved TWICE in pretty much the same way? Once in bats and once in marine mammals like dolphins? Imagine the luck!
 
agent00f said:
I'm curious if you've ever considered that these people who literally do these calculations & manipulate dna or such for a living might know something you of all people don't. I mean, I'm pretty you just copied/pasted those symbols off some kooky website, and can't even tell parts of a cell nevermind identify dna (hint, it doesn't just look like a twisted ladder) if your life depended on it.

Sort of like someone who can't even piece together ikea furniture proclaiming NASA is fake because according to them man can't surmount god's gravity.
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I'm pretty sure I have more training in mathematics than you do.
 
buckshot24 said:
1000 new genes?!! I think you don't know what you're talking about. If there were 1000 new genes from every baby we would die off in very short order. There are only 20k to 25k genes in humans to begin with. You say there aren't massive changes but posit 1000 new genes in a single generation! haha.
Educate yourself.
That is the Dr. Suess version. Don't you find it interesting that echolocation evolved TWICE in pretty much the same way? Once in bats and once in marine mammals like dolphins? Imagine the luck!
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Dude, you're the one that believes that everything living got on one big ass boat!

 
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