Arizona to remove all heavily accented teachers

[rchiu]

Heh, I awaits eagerly to see the kind of kids coming out of perfect American education system with teacher with perfect pronunciation and grammar. Yeap I hope all these teachers great in math/science/computer and whatever else keep their English skills sharp too so they can keep on teaching.

Yeap, and don't forget the kids can't have the littlest set back or challenges in school or else they will fail in learning. Oh Yeah, that's a great lesson to teach them to deal with the real world.

Good Luck to US of A.

 

[monovillage]

I find it amazing that some were calling Obama a Nazi and a fascist yet many support Arizona dredge down this slippery slope. Should we just make all foreigners put gold stars on their clothes?

You've got to be kidding us ? Illegal immigration has been a political problem in the United States, especially in the southern border States since the 70's. In over 30 years of increasing social and fiscal problems the Feds have refused to take any effective measures to stop it. It's become such a problem that States are beginning to sidestep the Feds and take actions themselves. This shouldn't be necessary, the Feds should be doing their jobs and preventing it, but they haven't. Stop blaming the States that are trying to do something about a problem when the people responsible, the Federal Government have left them holding the bag for over 30 YEARS!

 

[tiresmokindad]

Thats how I've felt about teaching all along. If you cant understand them, the language isnt important. We might both speak English, but be talking a whole different language.

Having said that, this is obviously another empty political push from AZ and is just going to stir the pot, nothing more.

I agree with what you have said. I am always speaking in English but my classmates do not understand such basic sentences. I think I should start speaking with the language that the understand. Speaking that they don't understand is just like speaking in an empty room.

 

[shortylickens]

I agree with what you have said. I am always speaking in English but my classmates do not understand such basic sentences. I think I should start speaking with the language that the understand. Speaking that they don't understand is just like speaking in an empty room.

You've been smoking too many tires.
Go back to weed.

 

[Exterous]

Heh, I awaits eagerly to see the kind of kids coming out of perfect American education system with teacher with perfect pronunciation and grammar. Yeap I hope all these teachers great in math/science/computer and whatever else keep their English skills sharp too so they can keep on teaching.

Yeap, and don't forget the kids can't have the littlest set back or challenges in school or else they will fail in learning. Oh Yeah, that's a great lesson to teach them to deal with the real world.

Good Luck to US of A.

It doesn't matter how good you are at math/science/computer if you are so bad at the required language you can't get your lesson across. You can talk till you're blue in the face but if no one can udnerstand you what is the point?

Hell - if we teach the kids there are setbacks to failing that is a huge step in the direction. Right now kids aren't even aware they can fail or lose at something

 

[werepossum]

I'm all for removing teachers that the students honestly can't understand, although the professor I had with the thickest, hard to understand accent was also one of the smartest and well worth the trouble. Sounds like a good policy that may well do more damage than good, but we'll see.

 

[OutHouse]

he cant answer you. All he can say is fail for stuff he doesn't agree with and has no real intellectual argument supporting his "fail"

 

[tk149]

The thread title is incorrect. This does not apply to all teachers, only teachers in classes meant for non-native English speakers who are still learning English.

I think you and I are the only ones who bothered to read the source WSJ article.

The Arizona Department of Education recently began telling school districts that teachers whose spoken English it deems to be heavily accented or ungrammatical must be removed from classes for students still learning English.

That blog was obviously written for shock value, not objective reporting.

ATP&N never fails to disappoint. This is what happens when people are more eager to voice their opinions than to learn the truth.

 

[dainthomas]

Haha, I thought this was Onion material. Rofl @ Arizona.

 

[Blackjack200]

What's Arizona's next law?

a) Ban all tacos and burritos (except breakfast burritos at McDonald's)
b) Make it illegal not to sue someone for speaking Spanish to you
c) Force Univision to place English subtitles at the bottom of the screen

 

[shortylickens]

What's Arizona's next law?

a) Ban all tacos and burritos (except breakfast burritos at McDonald's)
b) Make it illegal not to sue someone for speaking Spanish to you
c) Force Univision to place English subtitles at the bottom of the screen

C sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
In the grand scheme of things I dont even care THAT much that illegals are trying to take over America. I care that its mostly one nationality and one language that is being forced on America.
I say let the borders go wide open and see how well these proud Mexicans do against millions of Russians and Chinese.

 

[Exterous]

I think you and I are the only ones who bothered to read the source WSJ article.

That blog was obviously written for shock value, not objective reporting.

ATP&N never fails to disappoint. This is what happens when people are more eager to voice their opinions than to learn the truth.

I missed this - thanks. Man - I thought the title was over inflamatory before I knew this detail....

 

[HumblePie]

Okay I am here to defend this proposition and here is why.

Does not every college graduate require both a speech and English class in the US? Is there not objective standards to be reached to pass these classes? Sure some standards in various schools are more lax than others, but the point is that there are standards for both speech and English classes that must be accomplished to graduate from college in the US. Also, one must be a college graduate to teach classes in the US.

So, we have laid done that there are already requirements that an individual requires a college degree, and that the a degree requires a person to have knowledge of both the English language and ability to speak it in order to be a public teacher.

So WTF is the problem with enforcing this? It is just like another other job that has requirements for performance. Want to be a computer programmer? Then you need to know a programming language. Already at a job that you work for as a programmer for C++, but the company wants to switch to a language you do not know? Either learn it ASAP or you will be fired without anyone giving a fly fart about it.

So now the job requirements for public teachers in AZ just got a little bit stricter. Boo fucking hoo. Anyone that wants to teach and has a bad accent either fixes the accent, or they find a new line of work. The fact that anyone is crying over this at all is mind boggling.

 

[NAC]

A teacher who is hard to understand should have never been hired. And if a principal / superintendant finds one, the teacher should probably be fired at the discretion of the principal / super. I'm sure the problem is: they have a finite pool of applicants to choose from, and they sometimes choose subject knowledge over speaking ability. If there was a larger pool of applicants, the problem wouldn't be as large.

So, IMO - the real solution is salary. Bump up salaries 10k, and you'll get a larger pool of applicants and you'll be more likely to get those who can speak well. Of course, that isn't a politically sellable solution, and more importantly, the money probably isn't there. So, IMO- this law is simply for political reasons. Unless they can ensure the replacement teachers are "better", they may not be. A clear speaking calc teacher who doesn't know calc is worse than a hard to understand calc teacher who does. And IMO centralizing school control above the district level is simply bad practice.