Arizona signs immigration bill into law

[halik]

INA Section 264(e) reads

"(e) Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d). Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both."

Yeah technically you need to, but in the history of the law, they will usually be satisfied if you tell them it's at home which is 5 minutes away and if they really need to see it, you can go show them the documents.

You should definitely carry this if you're gonna get on a plane or train or whatever for domestic travel. You probably won't get in trouble when you step out to go to church or to do your grocery shopping and you don't have these on you, but as long as you can produce it within a reasonable time, you should be ok.

Must be some sort of post-9/11 thing or something, I never had anyone ask for it besides employment verification. Certainly not for domestic travel and even after 9/11 driver's license is all i ever needed.

 

[spidey07]

Protester threaten to murder Americans. With Arizona just passing their gun laws if you pickaxe, citizens will pickfortyfive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDlutO0KK7g&feature=player_embedded

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Must be some sort of post-9/11 thing or something, I never had anyone ask for it besides employment verification. Certainly not for domestic travel and even after 9/11 driver's license is all i ever needed.

Well I understand what you mean. Even post 9/11 I doubt they're Nazis about it. I hear they don't ask for it when you travel anyway, although it's been reported they do it occasionally... just like occasionally you get to go to secondary screening at the airport.

And that's why I said most of the time the law allows you to get it within a reasonable amount of time. I highly doubt a cop will card you at your 7-11 and ask you to pull out your immigration papers. But if assuming he does and while he certainly CAN punish you in accordance to that section I pasted in, it's one of those laws that they cut you slack on.

So if I were a permanent resident I probably wouldnt worry about carrying my papers everywhere I go, but if I travel, I think it's something that I would make sure I carry on me.

Either way, I don't think this state law changes much. Usually if you flash your DL or state ID you're ok. If they really want to verify you they'll punch in your name and whatever and call it in for further investigation. And once again that would require reasonable suspicion.

 

[cubby1223]

I now believe this country has officially gone to hell.

At least with the health care bill, those against the bill are challenging it through government procedures.

San Fransisco boycotting Arizona, Los Angeles may follow, idiots around the country boycotting Arizona brand ice tea (despite it being a New York based company). Arizona has no faith in the federal government. "Progressives" have no faith in our judicial system. Congressmen are suggesting to cut off Arizona law enforcement officers from federal assistance, one AZ congressman suggesting others to boycott the businesses he represents?

And the man at the top of this country is *still* in full partisan campaign mode. This country needs a leader, not a teleprompter.

 

[EagleKeeper]

What will SF do when the Giants have to play the Diamondbacks?

Put their money where their mouth is?

 

[bob4432]

I now believe this country has officially gone to hell.

At least with the health care bill, those against the bill are challenging it through government procedures.

San Fransisco boycotting Arizona, Los Angeles may follow, idiots around the country boycotting Arizona brand ice tea (despite it being a New York based company). Arizona has no faith in the federal government. "Progressives" have no faith in our judicial system. Congressmen are suggesting to cut off Arizona law enforcement officers from federal assistance, one AZ congressman suggesting others to boycott the businesses he represents?

And the man at the top of this country is *still* in full partisan campaign mode. This country needs a leader, not a teleprompter.

well, i think he is of the thought process that if he doesn't talk about it, it isn't there , sadly we don't have said leader but just the teleprompter. maybe the speech writers will rise to the occassion?

also, that one congressman, i think grijvala? is on his way out anyway, just trying to get any press he can.

 

[bob4432]

Protester threaten to murder Americans. With Arizona just passing their gun laws if you pickaxe, citizens will pickfortyfive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDlutO0KK7g&feature=player_embedded

our gun laws have always been good, well, since AZ became a state in 1912, they are just getting better :awe:

 

[Linflas]

Must be some sort of post-9/11 thing or something, I never had anyone ask for it besides employment verification. Certainly not for domestic travel and even after 9/11 driver's license is all i ever needed.

I recall the last trip I made with my wife to Montreal she had left her green card at home. We didn't discover this until we were driving home and she went to dig it out for the border crossing at 1000 Islands. At that point she assumed she had left it back at her mothers place in Montreal so in our worst case scenario we would have to drive all the way back. When we pulled up to the customs agent we gave him our drivers licenses and told him my wife had forgotten her green card. He joking replied "forgot your green card, how do you expect to get back in the country!?" He then asked a couple of the standard questions regarding how long we had been in Canada, handed us our licenses and we were on our way.

 

[PJABBER]

My wife is a legal immigrant, now a citizen, and she always carried her paperwork in her purse before she got her green card and then she carried that right next to her driver's license. No big deal.

You need to have a passport and often a separate visa document when you travel, right? People who travel don't find it onerous. I often just put the passport in the hotel safe and carry a photocopy if I am in a place with a pickpocket problem.

If you are stopped by cops in other countries you can be sure that may be a much more difficult scenario than any stop in the US.

 

[BoberFett]

That and not passing un-Constitutional laws.

Since when does anybody care about the Constitution?

 

[ElFenix]

Must be some sort of post-9/11 thing or something, I never had anyone ask for it besides employment verification. Certainly not for domestic travel and even after 9/11 driver's license is all i ever needed.

that statute dates back to 1952.

 

[blackangst1]

Interesting. Now that sanctuary cities are all upset at AZ, when asked if maybe they would like AZ's illegals, well, you know how that went LULZ

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...zonas-new-immigration-law-offering-sanctuary/

Several mid-size cities and states with policies that seek to protect undocumented workers either declined to comment to FoxNews.com on whether it would accept Arizona's illegal immigrants or said the possibility had not been considered.
"We don't have any actions planned," said Jillian Schoene, a spokeswoman for Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski. "If I have a chance to take this up with the governor, I'll call you back."
Schoene didn't call FoxNews.com back.

Bill Begley, a spokesman for Mayor Mike Moncrief of Fort Worth, Texas, told FoxNews.com that he couldn't comment on whether the city, with its population of more than 700,000, would take in any of Arizona's illegal immigrants.
"We'd have to sit down about any overt offer that would address that issue," he said. "That's not something I can talk about off the top of my head."

"Congress needs to step up to the plate," said Chris Ramirez, a spokesman for Albuquerque Mayor Richard Berry, who noted that Berry has publicly stated the Arizona law is a cry for the federal government to step in.
He added, "It's not a matter of whether we're ready to take them in or put a giant wall around the city. We're not in a position at this point to have a public comment or statement on how we think this is going to affect us or our residents."

 

[Modelworks]

Interesting. Now that sanctuary cities are all upset at AZ, when asked if maybe they would like AZ's illegals, well, you know how that went LULZ

It is the old I think every kid needs free school, medical care, housing and a college education as long as I don't have to be the one to pay for it or get involved !

 

[blackangst1]

it is the old i think every kid needs free school, medical care, housing and a college education as long as i don't have to be the one to pay for it or get involved !

nimby!

 

[palehorse]

This law should be mirrored nationwide. :thumbsup: to AZ for having the balls to do what our national government is too impotent to even bother with!

 

[rchiu]

My wife is a legal immigrant, now a citizen, and she always carried her paperwork in her purse before she got her green card and then she carried that right next to her driver's license. No big deal.

You need to have a passport and often a separate visa document when you travel, right? People who travel don't find it onerous. I often just put the passport in the hotel safe and carry a photocopy if I am in a place with a pickpocket problem.

If you are stopped by cops in other countries you can be sure that may be a much more difficult scenario than any stop in the US.

Carrying paperwork is not the problem. The problem is how cops determine who to stop and for what reason. If it's now their job to stop people who are suspicious of being an illegal immigrant, guess who is gonna get stopped and questioned.

I carry my Green card, no biggie, but I'd be pissed if I walk around and every police pass by me get to stop me and ask me to show them my GC because I am not a white/black dude.

 

[blackangst1]

Carrying paperwork is not the problem. The problem is how cops determine who to stop and for what reason. If it's now their job to stop people who are suspicious of being an illegal immigrant, guess who is gonna get stopped and questioned.

Since that isnt their job, and the law protects people against this, your point is moot.

 

[Throckmorton]

Since that isnt their job, and the law protects people against this, your point is moot.

It is their job with this new law, until it gets overturned by the courts

 

[palehorse]

It is their job with this new law, until it gets overturned by the courts

No, it's not. The law clearly states that, as always, probable cause for some other violation is still required before someone can be questioned about their immigration status.

IOW, nothing has really changed with regards to who the police can question, or when -- and they certainly CANNOT LEGALLY pull people over or challenge them based purely on the suspicion of being an illegal alien.

You're too busy listening to Sharpton and your other "progressive" gawds to read the actual law, aren't ya? Don't worry, you're not alone... in fact, most of the folks coming out against this bill have no idea what it says or does.

 

[blackangst1]

It is their job with this new law, until it gets overturned by the courts

Please point out in the bill where this is fact. And then, for fun, I will point out law that shows youre full of shit

 

[nyker96]

This new Arizona law is quite baffling to me. On one hand Arizona has such a porous border, so if you enforce this law and starting kicking out illegals, wouldn't more just pour right through the border?

Secondly, many had mentioned illegals committing a ton of crime while AZ law enforcement reports show that illegal's crime rate is equal (in fact slightly less) than the legal resident's.

Also on the issue of jobs, I think these immigrants probably is making 1/2 or 1/3 the wages of a legal resident, so the local residents is enjoying the product of their labors at a much cheaper rate. In effect they are in effect paying a lot more taxes to the state's economy by giving up a lot of their wages. But this point I do need more data to be more certain of their effect on the local economy.

So I think wouldn't securing the border be a more effective way to combat this illegal immigration and maybe cracking down hard on people employing them? or maybe open a legal path for some of these people who wish to work for a legal status. so if you put in some sweats then there's a chance you can work legally with full protection of the law be a more enticing solution for these people. Beside you can control the amount of people coming in that way instead of not knowing how many are pouring across the border each day. I mean using a carrot instead of a stick may be more effective.

 

[blackangst1]

This new Arizona law is quite baffling to me. On one hand Arizona has such a porous border, so if you enforce this law and starting kicking out illegals, wouldn't more just pour right through the border?

Not sure where this logic comes from. Its been already announced Mexico has issued warnings about travelling to AZ. Seems to me, as spidey said, the law is already working and its not even in force yet. Did you know Maricopa county (Phoenix) has made arrests of over 1900 illegal immigrants in crime this year alone?

Secondly, many had mentioned illegals committing a ton of crime while AZ law enforcement reports show that illegal's crime rate is equal (in fact slightly less) than the legal resident's.

Not when you look at percentages. And youre wrong when it comes to human trafficking, which is BIG business in AZ. We are a major hub and destination. Oh, and kidnapping. Did you know Maricopa county (Phoenix) has caught over 2000 illegals transported just into the county this year alone?

Also on the issue of jobs, I think these immigrants probably is making 1/2 or 1/3 the wages of a legal resident, so the local residents is enjoying the product of their labors at a much cheaper rate. In effect they are in effect paying a lot more taxes to the state's economy by giving up a lot of their wages. But this point I do need more data to be more certain of their effect on the local economy.

Yes, you do.

So I think wouldn't securing the border be a more effective way to combat this illegal immigration and maybe cracking down hard on people employing them? or maybe open a legal path for some of these people who wish to work for a legal status. so if you put in some sweats then there's a chance you can work legally with full protection of the law be a more enticing solution for these people. Beside you can control the amount of people coming in that way instead of not knowing how many are pouring across the border each day. I mean using a carrot instead of a stick may be more effective.

Tell that to the feds. On second thought, dont bother. They arent listening.

 

[bob4432]

how can you people not understand the law? it is written in simple language, less than 20 pages. again, just keep getting your talking points from your left overlords and look like an ass when in less than 30mins you could read and comprehend the law and realize you have been lied to by the media.

 

[bob4432]

This new Arizona law is quite baffling to me. On one hand Arizona has such a porous border, so if you enforce this law and starting kicking out illegals, wouldn't more just pour right through the border?

Secondly, many had mentioned illegals committing a ton of crime while AZ law enforcement reports show that illegal's crime rate is equal (in fact slightly less) than the legal resident's.

Also on the issue of jobs, I think these immigrants probably is making 1/2 or 1/3 the wages of a legal resident, so the local residents is enjoying the product of their labors at a much cheaper rate. In effect they are in effect paying a lot more taxes to the state's economy by giving up a lot of their wages. But this point I do need more data to be more certain of their effect on the local economy.

So I think wouldn't securing the border be a more effective way to combat this illegal immigration and maybe cracking down hard on people employing them? or maybe open a legal path for some of these people who wish to work for a legal status. so if you put in some sweats then there's a chance you can work legally with full protection of the law be a more enticing solution for these people. Beside you can control the amount of people coming in that way instead of not knowing how many are pouring across the border each day. I mean using a carrot instead of a stick may be more effective.

you have a link to that, the bolded part?

 

[HomerJS]

how can you people not understand the law? it is written in simple language, less than 20 pages. again, just keep getting your talking points from your left overlords and look like an ass when in less than 30mins you could read and comprehend the law and realize you have been lied to by the media.

Best question I heard asked Gov. Jan Brewer "what does an illegal alien look like?"

Can you answer this question?