Arizona signs immigration bill into law

[Patranus]

That and not passing un-Constitutional laws.

Enforcing an existing law is now unconstitutional?

 

[cubby1223]

Who wants to bet these boycotts of Arizona are entirely in response to the lawsuits over Obamacare? Political payback. And we the people are mere pawns in the game.

 

[cwjerome]

I'm embarrassed to live in AZ right now. This state has gone to hell ever since Napalatano left. The state is being run by laughably stupid people.

Actually, your emotional state really doesn't mean crap to anyone else, but thanks for sharing (and your insults might carry more weight if you actually spelled her name right).

But perhaps you're right, if only our current governor sat around and did absolutely nothing (well, except maybe blame the Feds) regarding one of the biggest problems we face... things would be so much better!

I can appreciate the sentiment that this law will lead to unethical racial profiling, although I tend to think authorities will play it straight out of fear as they operate under a microscope. This would obviously have to be watched carefully.

But what I can't appreciate is the anti-intellectual venom being preached that it's inherently racist to try to enforce any laws regarding immigration and slamming Arizona for taking action instead of wallowing in a state of crisis.

 

[fustercluck]

nobody is keeping you hear clusterfuck...move west, move west.

Yeah I'm going to pack up all my things and move into a new state/house because of one law. I'm going to stay "hear". Just because you don't like Obama (just assuming here) doesn't mean you're going to leave the US.

The old "if you don't like it then geeeeet out" argument. Bleh.

but...they took our jobs!

Actually, your emotional state really doesn't mean crap to anyone else, but thanks for sharing (and your insults might carry more weight if you actually spelled her name right).

Just commenting like everyone else, and sharing the views of someone who lives in Arizona. and...eh, who cares if I spell someone's name exactly right. You know who I'm talking about. Napoletano? Napaletano? Napjalapeno? - Also wasn't Arizona the only state to vote against Martin Luther King Day?


I knew I shouldn't of posted in P&N, it's ugly in here

 

[ManSnake]

If I can short Arizona on the stock market I would do that right now and make a ton of money. Profit from other people's misery, now that's the American way!!!

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Is there a line in this bill that requires immigrants to carry ID? People seem to keep saying that this is the case that you must carry a passport or something. Some of it must be FUD, but I have yet to find it in the bill.

 

[bob4432]

Is there a line in this bill that requires immigrants to carry ID? People seem to keep saying that this is the case that you must carry a passport or something. Some of it must be FUD, but I have yet to find it in the bill.

fed law requires them to carry their ID, this law mirrors the fed law, makes it so certain AZ cities can't not allow their leo to enforce it. if there is an issue, ice gets called in and they take over since that is there area of expertise. the left has no where to go on this so they make up bullshit.

again, the law is less than 20pgs, not written in "lawyer" language
http://www.azleg.gov/DocumentsForBill.asp?Bill_Number=1070&image.x=6&image.y=7

 

[Newbian]

Looks like Texas is looking to join the club:

AUSTIN, Texas – A Texas lawmaker says she plans to push for a law similar to Arizona's get-tough immigration measure.


San Antonio Express-News and Houston Chronicle report Wednesday that Republican Rep. Debbie Riddle of Tomball says she will introduce the measure in the January legislative session.


The new Arizona law would require local and state law enforcement to question people about their immigration status — and make it a crime for immigrants to lack registration documents.


Riddle says if the federal government did its job "Arizona wouldn't have to take this action, and neither would Texas."


Democrats say such legislation is misguided and predict it will hurt the GOP politically.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100428/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_texas

 

[nick1985]

Is there a line in this bill that requires immigrants to carry ID?

Its already federal law.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Why is the law unconstitutional?

It instructs the law enforcement to do what the Feds are supposed to do, but do not.
Any difference between the slaughter house raids? They collect everyone and put them in a confinement until they can show that they are legal. Most choose to take the deportation because they can not prove it and do not wish to stay confined.

How do the Feds make such a distinction when they pull people aside - racial profiling?

Exactly -All they are doing is what the Feds would do if they were authorized to follow through of their legal obligations

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7xuo7hyCcw

“make them register, make them pay a fine, make them learn English.”

Barry at ~1:16

 

[CitizenKain]

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/murderrates.html

Granted, that is 1998, but I didn't find a higher (year) one.

The libtard I had for an English teacher last year basically said that we should pardon lots of blacks and remove the death penalty because more blacks were killed by it then whites. Well don't commit the crimes idiots- but to her that wasn't an option.

Guess you weren't smart enough to get the point they were making.

 

[blackangst1]

Who wants to bet these boycotts of Arizona are entirely in response to the lawsuits over Obamacare? Political payback. And we the people are mere pawns in the game.

Completely unrelated.

 

[blackangst1]

Is there a line in this bill that requires immigrants to carry ID? People seem to keep saying that this is the case that you must carry a passport or something. Some of it must be FUD, but I have yet to find it in the bill.

It requires aliens to carry their green card, work permit, travel visa, etc. depending on what means theyre here legally. Passport isnt needed. And as others have pointed out, this isnt a new law.

 

[blackangst1]

Looks like Texas is looking to join the club:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100428/ap_on_re_us/us_immigration_texas

Just saw this...AWESOME.

 

[OutHouse]

i keep hearing on the news how terrible it is for a person to have to go to the beach and have to carry their passport....

I dont get that argument at all. dont all countries require all visitors to carry passports?

 

[blackangst1]

i keep hearing on the news how terrible it is for a person to have to go to the beach and have to carry their passport....

I dont get that argument at all. dont all countries require all visitors to carry passports?

Then whatever news you are hearing is flagrantly wrong. Theres nothing int his bill that requires someone to carry a passport.

And yes, to your question.

 

[Patranus]

Then whatever news you are hearing is flagrantly wrong. Theres nothing int his bill that requires someone to carry a passport.

And yes, to your question.

Correct.

However, FEDERAL law does require legal immigrants to carry their "papers".

 

[Patranus]

Well, seeing how San Francisco has annouced a boycott of AZ (LMFAO) I suggest instead of turning em over to ICE, give them a one way bus ticket to SF. Im sure Pelosi would welcome them with open arms.

Ironic considering their "sanctuary city" law directly resulted in the assassination of an entire family coming home from a BBQ by an illegal immigrants shielded by the city.

 

[spidey07]

It requires aliens to carry their green card, work permit, travel visa, etc. depending on what means theyre here legally. Passport isnt needed. And as others have pointed out, this isnt a new law.

Yeah, go figure. I'm also required/supposed to carry my passport with me at all times when I'm out of the country.

 

[blackangst1]

Correct.

However, FEDERAL law does require legal immigrants to carry their "papers".

Of course correct. It remains to see how AZ will interprate it, but I have a feeling an AZ DL or ID will suffice, since alien status is required for them. Kind of like a passport in many places is considered two pieces of ID. Er, in place of two pieces.

 

[xj0hnx]

Then whatever news you are hearing is flagrantly wrong. Theres nothing int his bill that requires someone to carry a passport.

And yes, to your question.

A person is presumed to not be an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States if the person provides to the law enforcement officer or agency any of the following:
1. A valid Arizona driver license.
2. A valid Arizona nonoperating identification license.
3. A valid tribal enrollment card or other form of tribal identification.
4. If the entity requires proof of legal presence in the United States before issuance, any valid United States federal, state or local government issued identification.


I think it would fall under 4. This is from the first paragraph in the bill. The "papers" that everyone compares to Nazi Germany are items that are already in pretty much every Americans wallet/purse.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

It requires aliens to carry their green card, work permit, travel visa, etc. depending on what means theyre here legally. Passport isnt needed. And as others have pointed out, this isnt a new law.

Gotcha.

From what I read yeah you need to carry it, but generally this isn't heavily enforced. Usually they won't hold you to it if you're a work permit, student, etc that you go to your local Safeway or 7-11, and you need to produce your immigration papers on spot. From further reading it seems that DHS will be satisfied if you can produce this within a reasonable time, like you need to go home and pick it up.

Certainly if you're flying across the nation for domestic travel you should probably carry it, but it seems stepping out to your local bar, you should just be fine.

I do know that Green Card holders need to carry that at ALL times.

 

[halik]

Correct.

However, FEDERAL law does require legal immigrants to carry their "papers".

What federal law is that?

I was a resident alien / legal immigrant / green card holder for 10 years and I've NEVER heard that from anywhere including our immigration attorney.

The only time I had to grab the resident alien was for proof of employment eligibility.

edit: Damn you're right. I kept that thing in a safe 99% of the time

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

What federal law is that?

I was a resident alien / legal immigrant / green card holder for 10 years and I've NEVER heard that from anywhere including our immigration attorney.

The only time I had to grab the resident alien was for proof of employment elegibility.

INA Section 264(e) reads

"(e) Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to him pursuant to subsection (d). Any alien who fails to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or both."

Yeah technically you need to, but in the history of the law, they will usually be satisfied if you tell them it's at home which is 5 minutes away and if they really need to see it, you can go show them the documents.

You should definitely carry this if you're gonna get on a plane or train or whatever for domestic travel. You probably won't get in trouble when you step out to go to church or to do your grocery shopping and you don't have these on you, but as long as you can produce it within a reasonable time, you should be ok.