Arizona signs immigration bill into law

[blackangst1]

For those who support things like a pathway to citizenship for those already here illegally...sanctuary cities...etc...let me ask an honest question. I immigrated my wife here legally. Now, eventually she would like to petition her family, but that is actually a long, time and money consuming process. How would you feel if you met someone like me, and over beers they explained a plan they had of flying said family members into S America, and smuggling them over the border, thus by-passing immigration laws, to get the same result (a path to citizenship) much faster and at much less expense? What would you tell such a person? Youre cool with it?

 

[IronWing]

If it cost them $775 million for 23 miles then they were not doing it right.
It could be done for less than $1 million a mile, but then the government has to inflate the cost of everything.

Tax payer dollars + major defense contractor = cha ching! On an R&D project, as long as it doesn't work, the money keeps coming.

 

[IronWing]

See? The mexicans are fucking themselves over, AND THEY DONT CARE!
Does anybody not get it yet?

Um, the quota is set by the US, not Mexico. If it were up to the Mexican government they'd chase their own people across the border in front of bulldozers.

 

[shortylickens]

Um, the quota is set by the US, not Mexico. If it were up to the Mexican government they'd chase their own people across the border in front of bulldozers.

No I meant the mexicans that are here and those currently crossing the border. They dont really care that much about how they fuck their own over.
Although the point about government obviously applies too. Thats the start of the problem right there.

 

[Xellos2099]

well historically Gestapo do this to (1) find suspecting Jews who hides amongst the population (2) find possible spies from allied countries. Jews at the time were afraid to get out on the street during day time and only send a single family member (usually the one who least look like a Jew) out to get food etc. Each trip out is like a life and death thing for them. It they get caught the entire family may fall into concentration camp. This is of course all history.

In fact in the 1950s China the policeman would 'ask for papers' on suspecting pedestrians because many land owners ran away from the country side into the city to escape persecution. The police would 'ask for papers' to weed them out and their sympathizers. Most were stopped because they had an accent from the country side or dressed different. Most found were taken away to labor camps etc. It was estimated that millions perished from that.

If history teaches us anything, 'ask for papers' is indeed very effective.

But we are not sending them to their death or some kind of labor camp, we just want to ship them back to where they belong.

 

[peonyu]

Seal the border, do everything we can to help Mexico be a decent place to live, or enforce the laws against hiring illegal immigrants.

-The government doesnt want to seal the border.
-The government wants illegal aliens.
-We should by default enforce laws against hiring illegals, and should also deport them if they are illegal [in both cases we usually dont].

Now what your saying is a great solution, but all signs point to Washington. They obviously dont want to enforce the laws, and dont want to stop illegal immigration. That is why a few states are taking the issue up themselves...Such as Arizona. Arizona's solution isnt the best, but its better than what Washington has done so far, which is nothing. If Washington did its job then this issue would not be around to begin with [Id'ing people etc].

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

why exactly do they want illegals?

 

[Fenixgoon]

why exactly do they want illegals?

cheap labor. IIRC california's strawberry industry is entirely dependent on it (if i'm wrong feel free to correct me)

 

[Svnla]

As a first generation of LEGAL immigrant, I believe I know a few things about immigration.

1) First of all, ILLEGAL immigration is a NO NO = bad, breaking the laws, don't even bother to call it "undocument"..what will be next? Rapists = "uninvite sex partners"?

2) Second of all, no amnesty, no path of citizenship, nothing, nada for ILLEGALS. Want to be US citizens? Go back to your own country, apply to come here LEGALLY as millions of others such as myself and my family. Yes, it sucks and it costs a lot of money/time/effort/etc...now how do you feel if someone else jumps ahead of the line in front of you by sneaking in the US ILLEGALLY?

Don't like to show your ID? Too bad, see #2. I LOL @ "racists/racial profiling/ect" spewing out from ILLEGALS lovers. Duhh...what is the percentage of racial makeups of ILLEGALS that arrived from the south of US border? Don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

 

[shortylickens]

As a first generation of LEGAL immigrant, I believe I know a few things about immigration.

1) First of all, ILLEGAL immigration is a NO NO = bad, don't even bother to call it "undocument"..what will be next? Rapists = "uninvite sex partners"?

2) Second of all, no amnesty, no path of citizenship, nothing, nada for ILLEGALS. Want to be US citizens? Go back to your own country, apply to come here LEGALLY as millions of others such as myself and my family.

Don't like to show your ID? Too bad, see #2. I LOL @ "racists/racial profiling/ect". Duhh...what is the percentage of ILLEGALS that arrived from the south of US border? Don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

Yeah every time I go down to 7-11 and talk to Habib (whilst stuffing my face with hot dogs) the number one thing I hear him complain about is illegals.
With all the legal immigrants I've talked to I honestly believe they are the number 1 group of people hurt by allowing illegals to roam around unchecked, not paying taxes.

 

[blackangst1]

As a first generation of LEGAL immigrant, I believe I know a few things about immigration.

1) First of all, ILLEGAL immigration is a NO NO = bad, breaking the laws, don't even bother to call it "undocument"..what will be next? Rapists = "uninvite sex partners"?

2) Second of all, no amnesty, no path of citizenship, nothing, nada for ILLEGALS. Want to be US citizens? Go back to your own country, apply to come here LEGALLY as millions of others such as myself and my family. Yes, it sucks and it costs a lot of money/time/effort/etc...now how do you feel if someone else jumps ahead of the line in front of you by sneaking in the US ILLEGALLY?

Don't like to show your ID? Too bad, see #2. I LOL @ "racists/racial profiling/ect" spewing out from ILLEGALS lovers. Duhh...what is the percentage of racial makeups of ILLEGALS that arrived from the south of US border? Don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

Thank you Svnla for your perspective. Most LEGAL residents feel the same, including my wife. The whole amnesty thing pisses her off to no end.

 

[bob4432]

If it cost them $775 million for 23 miles then they were not doing it right.
It could be done for less than $1 million a mile, but then the government has to inflate the cost of everything.

edit:
After running the numbers I could cover a mile with everything required using passive IR for under $400K or 9.2 million for the whole 23 miles.

the fence works in the fact that it alerts that people are coming across, so then they can be videotaped as they cross, but it doesn't stop anything, thus the problem.

and your figures are wrong - you forgot the $750M you need to bribe/lobby the politicians for the winning bid to put in this fence that will have 0 effect on the problem.

 

[peonyu]

For 775 million $$, if the fence was built without bribes and actually put fully to building it...We could have a clone of the great wall of China.

 

[IronWing]

For 775 million $$, if the fence was built without bribes and actually put fully to building it...We could have a clone of the great wall of China.

You'll never be a defense contractor with that attitude.

 

[Xellos2099]

If it is up to me, I would set up machine gun and missile turret at the border, if anyone try to cross the fence illegally, well, suck to be them. Nothing short of death threat will stop them from coming.

 

[Tristicus]

Setup a minefield then automatic turrets at the top of a wall coated with sharp broken glass and rusty nails that have been dipped in a solution that gives AIDS.

 

[Zedtom]

Elitism can be practiced by those on the bottom as well as those on the top. The illegal aliens within the United States who insist that they are here because American businesses have presented them with employment opportunities that American workers have declined to accept are elitists. They want special rules and exceptions.

We can point at the Wall Street Bankers and call them elitists, but there is a huge group of lawbreakers streaming in from Mexico who want to create their own rules too.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Fucking big government Republicans!

 

[Brainonska511]

For 775 million $$, if the fence was built without bribes and actually put fully to building it...We could have a clone of the great wall of China.

We could always annex Mexico, rebuild the local, extremely corrupt governments, and then have a much smaller border to the south to build a wall.

 

[PJABBER]

why exactly do they want illegals?

Very simply, there is an excellent chance that within a few months these illegals are going to be legal and enfranchised as the newest Democrat voters in the United States.

 

[nick1985]

Fucking big government Republicans!

huh? lol

 

[alphatarget1]

I just came across this article:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LaurieRoberts/

Can someone from AZ comment on whether it's as bad as the author make it sound? If it is, I don't blame them for passing it. It's the bipartisan failure in Washington DC that forced the people of Arizona to pass a bill to protect themselves.

 

[IronWing]

I just came across this article:

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LaurieRoberts/

Can someone from AZ comment on whether it's as bad as the author make it sound? If it is, I don't blame them for passing it. It's the bipartisan failure in Washington DC that forced the people of Arizona to pass a bill to protect themselves.

No. The reason this bill passed in because former Governor Napolitano went to Washington leaving the governorship to Jan Brewer. Traditionally in Arizona the primary function of the governor, whether Republican or Democrat, was to veto BS legislation puked up by our nuthouse legislature. Unfortunately Jan Brewer rose through that nuthouse and is one of the nuts. So when this turd of a bill passed the legislature there was no one to veto it.

Arizona Republicans savored this bill because not only does it institutionalize their own bigotry but it also is seen as a slap in the face against Napolitano whom these legislative Republicans hate. She won the race for Governor against one of their own.

 

[feralkid]

No. The reason this bill passed in because former Governor Napolitano went to Washington leaving the governorship to Jan Brewer. Traditionally in Arizona the primary function of the governor, whether Republican or Democrat, was to veto BS legislation puked up by our nuthouse legislature. Unfortunately Jan Brewer rose through that nuthouse and is one of the nuts. So when this turd of a bill passed the legislature there was no one to veto it.

Very astute.

That's AZ Government in a nutshell.

 

[jpk]

I want to see your papers please. I'm sorry, a driver's license is not enough. Do you have your birth certificate? No? Where are you going? What business do you have around here. Where were you born? What hospital? What state? You have a strange accent, I'm sorry your responses are not sufficient, you'll have to come with me you are under arrest. You say you're a citizen.....well prove it. Papers can be forged you know. You just look suspicious, you'll have to come with me.

It is not much of a leap to think that you may be next. You know Mexicans are not the only illegals. There could be Brits, Canadians, Aussies, NZ's......you look like them too citizen but do you have your papers in order to prove that to me? I think you will have to come with me.........