Arizona signs immigration bill into law

[sandorski]

How bout we ship all the illegals we find to Canada? I'm sure you Canadians are super hospitable.

Fail Troll is Fail.

 

[Hacp]

Fail Troll is Fail.

So you don't want them either I see. I don't blame you. Who in their right mind would want the poorest dirtiest citizens of an already poor country like Mexico?

 

[Vic]

I argued this issue with a tea party-er today and he said (and I quote) that he didn't want to hear any of my libertarian bullshit. Same shit, different hypocrites... why don't you just come out of the closet and admit you love sucking big govt cock?

 

[Moonbeam]

I argued this issue with a tea party-er today and he said (and I quote) that he didn't want to hear any of my libertarian bullshit. Same shit, different hypocrites... why don't you just come out of the closet and admit you love sucking big govt cock?

Do you mean big govmt police state cock?

 

[theflyingpig]

This is an excellent first step. Now the rest of the states need to follow Arizona's lead, and after that, they need to start punishing the fools who employ these illegals. Take their jobs, and they won't have any reason to stay and they'll go back to their garbage country and take their problems with them. Everyone knows this.

 

[Vic]

Do you mean big govmt police state cock?

I don't see the difference... just don't expect me to throw you a towel when you're done.

 

[dmcowen674]

they need to start punishing the fools who employ these illegals.

Take their jobs, and they won't have any reason to stay and they'll go back to their garbage country and take their problems with them.

That's where they need to focus.

If Police didn't waste their time stopping real Americans for no reason and actually enforced the law Arizona and the country would be a much better place. Unfortunately illegals are a majority source of cheap labor so Police are told to turn a blind eye.

 

[Hacp]

That's where they need to focus.

If Police didn't waste their time stopping real Americans for no reason and actually enforced the law Arizona and the country would be a much better place. Unfortunately illegals are a majority source of cheap labor so Police are told to turn a blind eye.

Illegals don't need to be the source of cheap labor. If we got rid of minimum wage and programs like food stamps and welfare, then the people on these social programs would need to get off their butt and work. We should do an exchange. In return for food stamps, a full day's work needs to be done. 9 hours, not including breaks and lunch.

 

[nyker96]

The Arizona law doesn't require waiting until someone is stopped for speeding or shoplifting, and it goes much further than demanding their ID. It gives officers the right to stop anyone they deem to be "suspicious" (under their own subjective terms) and demand that they prove their citizenship.

That's far more than "reasonable" suspicion of a crime. Have you ever walked outside and down the street without your wallet? How many people carry their birth certificates and passports with them at all times?

That is exactly what Hitler's Gestapo were doing when they asked to see peoples' papers.

well historically Gestapo do this to (1) find suspecting Jews who hides amongst the population (2) find possible spies from allied countries. Jews at the time were afraid to get out on the street during day time and only send a single family member (usually the one who least look like a Jew) out to get food etc. Each trip out is like a life and death thing for them. It they get caught the entire family may fall into concentration camp. This is of course all history.

In fact in the 1950s China the policeman would 'ask for papers' on suspecting pedestrians because many land owners ran away from the country side into the city to escape persecution. The police would 'ask for papers' to weed them out and their sympathizers. Most were stopped because they had an accent from the country side or dressed different. Most found were taken away to labor camps etc. It was estimated that millions perished from that.

If history teaches us anything, 'ask for papers' is indeed very effective.

 

[Red Dawn]

Go Arizona! Pretty nice move and a big slap in the face of obama as well. When the federal government doesn't do it's job regarding illegal immigration the states simply must act themselves. Hopefully more states follow suit, my guess Texas will be next.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/23/arizona-governor-signs-controversial-immigration/

If you were Hispanic living in Arizona you wouldn't thinks this was such a good bill

 

[Zedtom]

The debate is clouded by the redefinition of illegal immigration as refugees fleeing rural poverty and drug gangs. The cities and coastal resorts of Mexico are full of hard working successful citizens who love their country and have no desire to leave. There are many who come here to start a new life and secure citizenship through the proper channels. The people who choose to remain here illegally are losers, rejects and criminals who are fully aware of what they are doing.

 

[spacejamz]

If you were Hispanic living in Arizona you wouldn't thinks this was such a good bill

wonder what a legal Hispanic would think if they were the victim of a crime committed by an illegal alien..

or what they think of seeing their tax dollars paying for emergency hospital care for illegals...or seeing the quality of their children's education being diminished because money that should be spent on their kids is being used to educate the children of illegal aliens...

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't see the difference... just don't expect me to throw you a towel when you're done.

I just wanted to be clear I had your meaning because you are way to smart for me to understand half the time. I agree with your point.

Seems like the political reach in America jumps from Nanny state to Police state with not too much in the middle.

 

[dmcowen674]

Illegals don't need to be the source of cheap labor. If we got rid of minimum wage and programs like food stamps and welfare, then the people on these social programs would need to get off their butt and work. We should do an exchange. In return for food stamps, a full day's work needs to be done. 9 hours, not including breaks and lunch.

Based on your posts I can tell you wouldn't know what a full day's of work could be.

You are obviously a Silver Spooner

 

[her209]

wonder what a legal Hispanic would think if they were the victim of a crime committed by an illegal alien..

or what they think of seeing their tax dollars paying for emergency hospital care for illegals...or seeing the quality of their children's education being diminished because money that should be spent on their kids is being used to educate the children of illegal aliens...

wonder what a legal Hispanic would think if they were the victim of a crime committed by an American.

or what they think of seeing their tax dollars paying for emergency hospital care for the uninsured...or seeing the quality of their children's education being diminished because money that should be spent on their kids is being used to educate the children of lazy parents...

 

[Hacp]

Don't call them illegal! They are perfectly legal. In Mexico.. where they belong.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

From what I understand, anyone with that "look" of illegal could or will be taken aside by police and questioned. If your on you're way to the store, stopped and questioned. If you're on the way to work, stopped and questioned. If you're on you're way to dinner, stopped and questioned. I can tell you... if YOU we subject to such harassment just from your "look", you'd get really really pissed !!!!! So.. while you, a dark skinned man/woman is sitting on the side of the road pulled over by cops and being questioned, all the white folks just freely drive by and smile. As a dark skinned person, just how long would YOU put us with this until your fuse reached its point of explosion? There HAS to be a better more just way to do this... Bring on the court challenge!!!

nyc has set up random check points in the subway systems. as a white guy, i've been stopped and my backpack searched on several occasions.
no probable cause, but i'll gladly comply if that means increased overall safety for the community.

if you've got nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

 

[Fenixgoon]

nyc has set up random check points in the subway systems. as a white guy, i've been stopped and my backpack searched on several occasions.
no probable cause, but i'll gladly comply if that means increased overall safety for the community.

if you've got nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

4th amendment, that's what. it doesn't matter if i have the most boring, useless, pointless conversations or shit in my bag. it's an invasion of privacy, and we have amendments that protect against unreasonable search and seizure.

 

[spacejamz]

wonder what a legal Hispanic would think if they were the victim of a crime committed by an American.

or what they think of seeing their tax dollars paying for emergency hospital care for the uninsured...or seeing the quality of their children's education being diminished because money that should be spent on their kids is being used to educate the children of lazy parents...

It's truly sad that you cannot see the difference your post and mine...

 

[blackangst1]

A drivers' license is not proof of legal residency or citizenship. How many folks other than Spidey do you know who carry their certified birth certificates or passports with them at all times?

The "lawful contact" clause doesn't provide any shield against arbitrary demands for proof of legal status. This law makes being in Arizona as an illegal alien criminal trespass under state law. All an officer has to do to assert a lawful contact is to claim suspicion of a violation of this very same law. Neat huh? We're back to arbitrary contact and arbitrary arrest. Functionally, this law turns the entire state into a "restricted area" akin to a military base or other restricted government facility where persons can be stopped and questioned simply for being here. Those who can not provide affirmative evidence of their lawful presence in Arizona are subject to arrest. Folks may be released later when such proof is provided but that does not lessen the utility of this law as a tool of state intimidation and state harassment.

Guess what genious...existing law makes them being ANYWHERE in the USA illegal, if theyre, you know, here illegally. And youre incorrect that checkpoints can/will be set up to randomly question people. I suggest you re-read the stop and identify law already in place before making false assumptions.

 

[blackangst1]

This is not unexpected. At all. Seriously, what did people expect?

95% of Arizona doesn't care much about illegal immigration, never has... illegal immigration has always been here. But for the last 10 years or so, are you kidding me? Unchecked, off-the-wall illegals, draining resources, drug and human smuggling skyrocketing, executions in the desert outside of town, 40 illegals imprisoned in homes rescued almost weekly throughout the valley, people getting killed along the border, vans crammed with 20 illegals rolling off roads all the time, the crime, the areas south of I-8 and I-10 looking like militarized zones... things have been coming to a head for years now. Something had to give.

Now with the disaster 'warzone' south of the border with bodies dissolved in acid, assassinations, and heads being discovered everywhere... all this combined with the above... really? Is anyone shocked?

Ideologically I'm pretty libertarian about the border... and I've lived here for 37 years, born and raised. But I could see this coming a mile away and I can't say I blame the Arizona legislature. It's reached a boiling point, the Feds can care less, and people are sick of it. Call it a backlash... but drastic events call for drastic action.

I'm not even sure it's all that drastic... it seems like the new law mirrors -and is no more aggressive- than the federal laws that aren't enforced.

Bingo.

 

[blackangst1]

Um. What states can illegals get a drivers license and is AZ one of them?

AZ is not one of them. Here you can find a list of acceptable documents for a DL or ID card http://mvd.azdot.gov/mvd/formsandpub/viewPDF.asp?lngProductKey=1410&lngFormInfoKey=1410

Most importantly, the first requirement:

Driver License or instruction permit issued by another state, territory, or possesion of the US, except per Arizona law the following states that do not verify lawful presense in the US: HI, IL, NM, UT, and WA.

So, you have prove youre here legally to get an AZ license or ID.

 

[blackangst1]

I see what you're saying, but is this bill really going to fix any of it? Or is it going to result in a lot of cops pulling people over for driving while Hispanic?

You should read the thread. The answer to your question is no. They cannot.

 

[blackangst1]

If you were Hispanic living in Arizona you wouldn't thinks this was such a good bill

Not true. Its been all over the news and hispanics who are here legally have the same opinion of their illegals brothers as us whiteys do. You also understand AZ has a fair number of illegal asians too, right? This law doesnt target hispanics. It targets anyone here illegally. Sorry to state the obvious, but youlefties seem to forget that.

http://dontspeakforme.org/

 

[blackangst1]

nyc has set up random check points in the subway systems. as a white guy, i've been stopped and my backpack searched on several occasions.
no probable cause, but i'll gladly comply if that means increased overall safety for the community.

if you've got nothing to hide, what's the big deal?

EVERYTHING. This bill wouldnt allow for such random checkpoints anyway.