Are you Progressive?

[brianmanahan]

I laughed and then smiled at your post. Other than that...I have nothing to say.

that is the only appropriate, and only possible, response to most moonbeam posts

and i'm not saying that because i hate myself

 

[shortylickens]

I believe in Progress but most people calling themselves Progressives are just nutjobs.

 

[alien42]

I believe in Progress but most people calling themselves Progressives are just nutjobs.

the word progressive is primarily used on this forum as a derogatory term for liberals and democrats, in the same vein as SJW.

how many posts do you read where people actually call themselves progressive?

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc Savage Fan
I laughed and then smiled at your post. Other than that...I have nothing to say.

that is the only appropriate, and only possible, response to most moonbeam posts

and i'm not saying that because i hate myself

Yes, he laughed seeing the deep truth I uttered and smiled because he understands too. That is why there was nothing to say. I said it all for him.

Or do you think he laughed at me, smiling in his superior wisdom, offering up the notion that it would be beneath him to counter my position?

By the way it seems you never made it back to the Freemason thread to see what a profoundly ignorant putz you can be. And you do the same thing over and over like I had your number of something.

 

[Blue_Max]

Help me out here. You get to label everyone that disagrees with you as SJW. Just searching your name and "sjw" gives 122 hits, but you have a problem being labeled MRA?

I've never championed the MRA on here so where does the "insult" even come from? Simple - it's simply the group they hate most. Period.

And you're a little misguided on the SJW thing. I don't call people that for disagreeing with me, I'll call a spade a spade. If someone is loudly championing the "progressive" agendas, they are what they are. SJW, 3rd-wave feminists, collectivists, 'progressives'... they're all the same camp these days. They all seem to share the same agendas, same motives, same attack methods, same 'progressive stack' oppression olympics, and so forth. They're all one big happy camp together, hating all the same foes - anyone who disagrees with them or deemed unworthy of making victim-martyrs of.

 

[Blue_Max]

Triggered again? Awww, so sad. :'(

You know, others have tried repeatedly to explain projection to you... we're not the ones who whine "triggered" or cry for 'safe spaces' - it's your side that is. Hurling your own demands back at others as an insult just shows everyone how hypocritical the regressive 'progressives' are. :thumbsup:

But, hey, at least you posted with words instead of a single mocking picture this time (and avoided the ban hammer for it!)

 

[Victorian Gray]

You know, others have tried repeatedly to explain projection to you... we're not the ones who whine "triggered" or cry for 'safe spaces' - it's your side that is. Hurling your own demands back at others as an insult just shows everyone how hypocritical the regressive 'progressives' are. :thumbsup:

I weep that your life is so very hard. :'(

 

[Blue_Max]

My take is, people have a way of being extreme hypocrits, and it's my theory that if people give themselves a label that allows them to wear a guise of 'beyond reproach', then they will often go the opposite way from that label.

Examples: priests who mollest children. The more the person is held up to be 'holier-than-thou' the less I'd trust the person with my kid.

Bible thumpers that turn out to be as big "sinners" and worse than all the people they yell at.

Etc. etc.

Some (not all) people wrap themselves in a lable like 'progressive' and then they see it as a free pass to be as regressive and totalitarian as they want to be, because.. just read the label.

This guy gets it. :thumbsup: Summed it up nicely.

 

[compuwiz1]

I believe in Progress but most people calling themselves Progressives are just nutjobs.

They have just substituted the word, progressive for communist. Same shit. You can't walk around in a free society advocating communism, so they just chose a tamer term.

 

[mikeymikec]

The problem with Progressivism is that, like many other ideologies, it has been usurped by globalism and a march toward a "new world order" or whatever you want to call it. You dont need to be a globalist seeking the destruction of national sovereignty in order to be progressive. Nor do you need to be liberal and seeking to constantly expand the power of the state. But for whatever reason, these terms are all conflated.

This is due to what I describe as "label and dismiss", IMO. I wonder whether it's a really common phenomenon in American politics or maybe just on this forum, but I've never before encountered people who are so ready to start ignoring what others have to say so quickly.

The standard one on this forum is "the left" or "the right", as if all opinions can be effectively summarised and dismissed on that basis, which for people who probably consider themselves quite balanced and reasonable, is a really extreme view to take.

This site has a test one can try to determine their alignment on the 'political compass':
https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

I think the test is flawed in some ways though, because it's one thing to say "I think such-and-such", and another thing entirely, "I think such-and-such should be this country's policy", because one might believe something and yet also believe that it's not something that can easily be applied on a national scale for example.

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I've noticed two posts in this thread that have any bearing whatsoever on progressivism so far, defined here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism

One being sm625's post that I quoted part of, the other being this one:

you would have preferred a world where women can't vote and still serve their husband while the colored folks do all the hard work around the house for a pittance.

From what I've seen, the rest were either off-topic or thought they were on-topic by making up their own definition of progressivism and then saying that it's bad.

 

[Blue_Max]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeWC9V2qH-8

This one answers a lot in a fun way.

 

[WelshBloke]

You can't walk around in a free society advocating communism...

Wouldn't that suggest that said society isn't free already?

 

[swamplizard]

Perhaps as the only real progressive I know, I can help you understand what a progressive is and why you fancy them having a high opinion of their intellect, or perhaps only a low opinion of the intellect of those who do not think like them:

A progressive is a person, first of all, who has died to his social programming, who has escaped the normalcy herd mentality that imprisons the minds of most people on the right and the left. A progressive is somebody who has access, mentally, to both hemispheres of the brain, a person who can reason in great depth analytically by logic, but also instantly grasps the patterns in the big picture.

This capacity to use ones whole brain have been beaten out of most people by fear, the terror of being seen by others as being odd or different. It's not a place for the lily-livered. Progressives are people who sail into the monsters that swim at the edge of the know world, people of the deep. Such people are terrifying to people who have never examined themselves.

You understand, I would imagine, the conditioning process called Whack-A-Mole, the conforming deadening process that beats back any attempt by anybody to raise his head. The progressive is the person who walks with his head up through a sea of the dead.

Mostly, a progressive is a liberal and a conservative in the sense that he or she sees the reality behind each position, that opposites integrate at a higher level of understanding. A progressive is basically somebody who understands more than most people will ever imagine.

The problem that humanity's ego has in dealing with the progressive is that the progressive's superiority consists of the fact that the inferior project their own sickening egotism on people who really are superior but think nothing at all of it. The sickness of the ego is that it needs to feel superior to others. That is what ego is. But progressives are made when a person dies to that ego. But who but the progressive can know the difference between being an egotist and being ego liberated. Only the progressive can drop things before swine and know what to call them. Raindrops built the Grand Canyon, no?

There is but one truth and it covers all. And it's nice to know it.

Everywhere a progressive looks, he sees his or her Beloved.

Hi Moonbeam,

I love your dichotomy. You are not afraid of being eloquent, sarcastic and true all at the same time. Kudos :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[swamplizard]

Wouldn't that suggest that said society isn't free already?

G' Mornin' WelshBloke, or Toppa the aftanoon where you are,

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Yes, it would.

 

[alien42]

I've never championed the MRA on here so where does the "insult" even come from? Simple - it's simply the group they hate most. Period.

And you're a little misguided on the SJW thing. I don't call people that for disagreeing with me, I'll call a spade a spade. If someone is loudly championing the "progressive" agendas, they are what they are. SJW, 3rd-wave feminists, collectivists, 'progressives'... they're all the same camp these days. They all seem to share the same agendas, same motives, same attack methods, same 'progressive stack' oppression olympics, and so forth. They're all one big happy camp together, hating all the same foes - anyone who disagrees with them or deemed unworthy of making victim-martyrs of.

the hypocrisy is so thick it is flowing out of all of your orifices.

 

[Blue_Max]

the hypocrisy is so thick it is flowing out of all of your orifices.

Explain how.

I called out several SJW / 'progressives' (all the same these days, the terms are interchangeable) on SPECIFIC hypocrisies. You're just doing the exact same thing that most of the others are doing - hurling back the exact same rebuttal and hoping it works for them too.

It's like arguing with the smelly kid in school. You call him "stinky" because he smells bad - then he calls you "stinky" back, hoping the 'insult' works both ways - but it doesn't, does it? The comment only works for the clean to make against the smelly, and for the smelly to throw it back is not only ineffectual - it's laughable hypocrisy.

This is the same as derisively pointing out (and/or mocking) the ridiculous tyrannical demands the "progressives" are making, such as "safe spaces" and "triggers". You'll notice how silly it looks when the people making demands FOR these things, then try to mock their debaters in here with the very "safe spaces" they are, themselves, demanding.

In short; if safe spaces are so mockable, why are you demanding them??

THIS is hypocrisy at its finest.


Now you say I'm guilty of it? Say how. Specifically.

 

[alien42]

Explain how.

I called out several SJW / 'progressives' (all the same these days, the terms are interchangeable) on SPECIFIC hypocrisies. You're just doing the exact same thing that most of the others are doing - hurling back the exact same rebuttal and hoping it works for them too.

It's like arguing with the smelly kid in school. You call him "stinky" because he smells bad - then he calls you "stinky" back, hoping the 'insult' works both ways - but it doesn't, does it? The comment only works for the clean to make against the smelly, and for the smelly to throw it back is not only ineffectual - it's laughable hypocrisy.

This is the same as derisively pointing out (and/or mocking) the ridiculous tyrannical demands the "progressives" are making, such as "safe spaces" and "triggers". You'll notice how silly it looks when the people making demands FOR these things, then try to mock their debaters in here with the very "safe spaces" they are, themselves, demanding.

In short; if safe spaces are so mockable, why are you demanding them??

THIS is hypocrisy at its finest.


Now you say I'm guilty of it? Say how. Specifically.

oh the irony, you are the one who hurls out lame insults frequently, often lumping whole swaths of people into a single group that you call all kinds of names and when one person calls you a single name, you flip out. hypocrisy found.

i have never demanded a "safe space", nor have i even posted on that subject a single time on this forum. hypocrisy not found, just more lies and false generalizations by you.

 

[lopri]

Let me digress a bit. (in no specific order)

I do not believe that abortion is soley up to women. I do think a responsible gun ownership is possible under sensible laws. I do think Marxism, with all its contributions on our understanding of the world, has failed, at least when realized in the form of a nation state. While I detest the whole concept of "Political Correctness," I do recognize the perils of an exaggerated victimhood and I think we should not hesitate to draw a line when we encounter those who manipulate victimhood (especially of others) for illegitimate ends (of theirs). Not because of "Political Correctness," but because of correctness. I also do not subscribe to moral relativism, especially one in a crude form (e.g. Postmodernism). Long ago I used to believe I was a Libertarian but now I think Libertarianism as a political theory is a fraud. It does, however, provide a good baseline for neighborly conducts.

On policy issues that I am not well informed of I do not have (strong) views and I do not allow myself to parrot the views of other political establishments, even if I agree with them on some other issues. It is unfortunate that some portion of citizenry simply follow the course of tribalism on issues that they have not taken time to familiarize themselves of. For example, I had no position on Keystone Pipeline despite the sharply divided rhetoric between the left and the right. A lot of people seemed to assume their side's positions without actually knowing what it is themselves. Citizens United is another thing. Initially I thought the rationale of the decision was sound, if a bit on the wild side. But as the court and the supporters of the decision did not follow through with the principles the decision espoused, I started to think my initial understanding might have been flawed. Now I do think the decision itself was incorrectly decided.

I am unsure whether I am progressive or conservative.

 

[Moonbeam]

Let me digress a bit. (in no specific order)

I do not believe that abortion is soley up to women. I do think a responsible gun ownership is possible under sensible laws. I do think Marxism, with all its contributions on our understanding of the world, has failed, at least when realized in the form of a nation state. While I detest the whole concept of "Political Correctness," I do recognize the perils of an exaggerated victimhood and I think we should not hesitate to draw a line when we encounter those who manipulate victimhood (especially of others) for illegitimate ends (of theirs). Not because of "Political Correctness," but because of correctness. I also do not subscribe to moral relativism, especially one in a crude form (e.g. Postmodernism). Long ago I used to believe I was a Libertarian but now I think Libertarianism as a political theory is a fraud. It does, however, provide a good baseline for neighborly conducts.

On policy issues that I am not well informed of I do not have (strong) views and I do not allow myself to parrot the views of other political establishments, even if I agree with them on some other issues. It is unfortunate that some portion of citizenry simply follow the course of tribalism on issues that they have not taken time to familiarize themselves of. For example, I had no position on Keystone Pipeline despite the sharply divided rhetoric between the left and the right. A lot of people seemed to assume their side's positions without actually knowing what it is themselves. Citizens United is another thing. Initially I thought the rationale of the decision was sound, if a bit on the wild side. But as the court and the supporters of the decision did not follow through with the principles the decision espoused, I started to think my initial understanding might have been flawed. Now I do think the decision itself was incorrectly decided.

I am unsure whether I am progressive or conservative.

The very fact you can be unsure of something means you're a progressive. Remember, there is a survival benefit to having a know it all ego. You leap out of the frying pan at the first intimations of heat, sometimes directly into the fire, as opposed to potentially waiting too long to leap.

 

[Blue_Max]

oh the irony, you are the one who hurls out lame insults frequently, often lumping whole swaths of people into a single group that you call all kinds of names and when one person calls you a single name, you flip out. hypocrisy found.

I'm not remotely flipping out. False accusation.
I don't hurl insults, the SJW's do. Check how many times I've called people stupid, or bigots, or whatever. The number is very, very low. I'll call out a bad idea for what it is, but not insult the person making it. If they want to get offended for not supporting their beloved ideals, that doesn't mean I delivered offense.

The only part of your comment that has any truth at all is the "whole swaths of people in one group" - because it's accurate - 'progressives' are that group. It encompasses everything wrong with many smaller groups who use the same mindset and methodology, and also why it's hard to see any difference between these groups, even though they're supposed to be fighting for different goals. (Like why you'll see BLM and LGBQ groups hand-in-hand, for example.)

i have never demanded a "safe space", nor have i even posted on that subject a single time on this forum. hypocrisy not found, just more lies and false generalizations by you.

You took a general comment awfully personally. It's mostly Victorian Gray and the other super-progressives making the very comment I quoted. In one post demanding safe spaces on campuses, and the next, doing the male-tears 'boo hoo' mockery and "do I need a safe space" etc.

So, really, this is just more of the same from the regressive progressive crowd. False accusations, exaggerations, misrepresentations, gang bullying, outright lies... everything I stand against.

 

[brycejones]

nm, not really worth it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue_Max
So, really, this is just more of the same from the regressive progressive crowd. False accusations, exaggerations, misrepresentations, gang bullying, outright lies... everything I stand against.

cool story bro

Well at least there were no insults, just unvarnished truth, eh?

 

[alien42]

the regressive progressive crowd.

and that sums up your hypocrisy and bullshit so perfectly in just a few words.

 

[Blue_Max]

and that sums up your hypocrisy and bullshit so perfectly in just a few words.

Because your feelings were hurt? Why? Because you think you're being wonderful by doing terrible things to some people in order to benefit a handful of others? Then if someone says what you're doing is bad, the other person is "evil" for hurting your feelings?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2_DTlRaVzM

Just like in the video, if you don't have an argument the only thing you can do is slander your opponent and attack them personally in order to negate his argument.

And this isn't just me, or just ATP&N, the whole world is becoming aware of 'progressives' and their cruel methods. South Park dedicated an entire season mocking the PC progressives... that should say it all.

 

[Blue_Max]

As if on cue, Sargon of Akkad has a new 30-minute talk on this very subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN0oKIMlHyI