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Sonikku said:
I agree the gun control issue should be dropped but that would hardly allow the Dems to dominate. People are too caught up in the us-vs-them mentality and social issues for any major voting fluctuations to happen.
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True, even if Dems pledged to vote no on any gun control, it would never permeate conservative bubbles, but independents that aren't actually staunch conservatives masquerading as independents would convert in droves I think.
 
We are all Progressive because we have to be. In a world of limited resources, you cannot maintain a population of 7 billion people (and growing) without making significant technological progress. If all progress ceased and no new advancements were made, specifically in agriculture, we would have a dieoff, losing 50+ million a year best case, with the worst case being several hundred million. Without technological progress, oil production would have peaked long ago and with that would certainly have resulted in a die off. But it goes way beyond oil. There are literally dozens of critical resources, minerals, etc that rely on technological advancements to maintain the growth trajectory we've been on.

The problem with Progressivism is that, like many other ideologies, it has been usurped by globalism and a march toward a "new world order" or whatever you want to call it. You dont need to be a globalist seeking the destruction of national sovereignty in order to be progressive. Nor do you need to be liberal and seeking to constantly expand the power of the state. But for whatever reason, these terms are all conflated.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
lol So true.
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Perhaps as the only real progressive I know, I can help you understand what a progressive is and why you fancy them having a high opinion of their intellect, or perhaps only a low opinion of the intellect of those who do not think like them:

A progressive is a person, first of all, who has died to his social programming, who has escaped the normalcy herd mentality that imprisons the minds of most people on the right and the left. A progressive is somebody who has access, mentally, to both hemispheres of the brain, a person who can reason in great depth analytically by logic, but also instantly grasps the patterns in the big picture.

This capacity to use ones whole brain have been beaten out of most people by fear, the terror of being seen by others as being odd or different. It's not a place for the lily-livered. Progressives are people who sail into the monsters that swim at the edge of the know world, people of the deep. Such people are terrifying to people who have never examined themselves.

You understand, I would imagine, the conditioning process called Whack-A-Mole, the conforming deadening process that beats back any attempt by anybody to raise his head. The progressive is the person who walks with his head up through a sea of the dead.

Mostly, a progressive is a liberal and a conservative in the sense that he or she sees the reality behind each position, that opposites integrate at a higher level of understanding. A progressive is basically somebody who understands more than most people will ever imagine.

The problem that humanity's ego has in dealing with the progressive is that the progressive's superiority consists of the fact that the inferior project their own sickening egotism on people who really are superior but think nothing at all of it. The sickness of the ego is that it needs to feel superior to others. That is what ego is. But progressives are made when a person dies to that ego. But who but the progressive can know the difference between being an egotist and being ego liberated. Only the progressive can drop things before swine and know what to call them. Raindrops built the Grand Canyon, no?

There is but one truth and it covers all. And it's nice to know it.

Everywhere a progressive looks, he sees his or her Beloved.
 
sm625 said:
We are all Progressive because we have to be. In a world of limited resources, you cannot maintain a population of 7 billion people (and growing) without making significant technological progress. If all progress ceased and no new advancements were made, specifically in agriculture, we would have a dieoff, losing 50+ million a year best case, with the worst case being several hundred million. Without technological progress, oil production would have peaked long ago and with that would certainly have resulted in a die off. But it goes way beyond oil. There are literally dozens of critical resources, minerals, etc that rely on technological advancements to maintain the growth trajectory we've been on.

The problem with Progressivism is that, like many other ideologies, it has been usurped by globalism and a march toward a "new world order" or whatever you want to call it. You dont need to be a globalist seeking the destruction of national sovereignty in order to be progressive. Nor do you need to be liberal and seeking to constantly expand the power of the state. But for whatever reason, these terms are all conflated.
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Yeah the entire globe working together instead of fighting wars sounds like hell on earth to me.
 
dank69 said:
Originally Posted by HamburgerBoy
"Free stuff pls" ~ The most IMPORTANT and INTELLECTUAL political movement in MODERN HISTORY, BERNIE 2016

Adding to Sonniku's reply, I like how gullible fools fall for the classification of government serving the people as "free stuff."
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Hamburger has a head full of free programming he picked up from the slogan makers who drop little virus packets into his head subliminally in his sleep. These are inevitably triggered belched up like flippers on a pinball machine, when a truth ball comes toward his head.
 
Moonbeam said:
Perhaps as the only real progressive I know, I can help you understand what a progressive is and why you fancy them having a high opinion of their intellect, or perhaps only a low opinion of the intellect of those who do not think like them:

A progressive is a person, first of all, who has died to his social programming, who has escaped the normalcy herd mentality that imprisons the minds of most people on the right and the left. A progressive is somebody who has access, mentally, to both hemispheres of the brain, a person who can reason in great depth analytically by logic, but also instantly grasps the patterns in the big picture.

This capacity to use ones whole brain have been beaten out of most people by fear, the terror of being seen by others as being odd or different. It's not a place for the lily-livered. Progressives are people who sail into the monsters that swim at the edge of the know world, people of the deep. Such people are terrifying to people who have never examined themselves.

You understand, I would imagine, the conditioning process called Whack-A-Mole, the conforming deadening process that beats back any attempt by anybody to raise his head. The progressive is the person who walks with his head up through a sea of the dead.

Mostly, a progressive is a liberal and a conservative in the sense that he or she sees the reality behind each position, that opposites integrate at a higher level of understanding. A progressive is basically somebody who understands more than most people will ever imagine.

The problem that humanity's ego has in dealing with the progressive is that the progressive's superiority consists of the fact that the inferior project their own sickening egotism on people who really are superior but think nothing at all of it. The sickness of the ego is that it needs to feel superior to others. That is what ego is. But progressives are made when a person dies to that ego. But who but the progressive can know the difference between being an egotist and being ego liberated. Only the progressive can drop things before swine and know what to call them. Raindrops built the Grand Canyon, no?

There is but one truth and it covers all. And it's nice to know it.

Everywhere a progressive looks, he sees his or her Beloved.
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I laughed and then smiled at your post. Other than that...I have nothing to say.
 
Hi Sonikku,

The main issue, from my perspective is the one involving abortion. This is what keeps people away from the Democrats. If the opportunity arises, I remind them that at the beginning of this century, the Repuglicans controlled the white house and Congress, yet they failed to submit any legislation to overturn RvsW. The Progressives would do well to remind voters of that pandering to the conservatives, whilst doing nothing about the issues that they pledge support.

Have a good day and join the PCCC.
 
swamplizard said:
Hi Sonikku,

The main issue, from my perspective is the one involving abortion. This is what keeps people away from the Democrats. If the opportunity arises, I remind them that at the beginning of this century, the Repuglicans controlled the white house and Congress, yet they failed to submit any legislation to overturn RvsW. The Progressives would do well to remind voters of that pandering to the conservatives, whilst doing nothing about the issues that they pledge support.

Have a good day and join the PCCC.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial-Birth_Abortion_Ban_Act
 
brycejones said:
I guess "regressive" is the new MRA term of the month.
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So I'm an MRA now? Or are you just using that expression because it's the group you loathe most?

Watch the video I linked and take a good look in the mirror. Intolerance and cruelty in the guise of "great tolerance and goodness".
 
swamplizard said:
Hi werepossum,

I just drove through Choo-choo town a couple of days ago, that was me in the silver Mustang driving about 80. I can drop off some soap on my flip-flop in about a week. :biggrin:
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🙂 +1

Drop me a line with a little advance warning and I'll buy you lunch.
 
Blue_Max said:
So I'm an MRA now? Or are you just using that expression because it's the group you loathe most?

Watch the video I linked and take a good look in the mirror. Intolerance and cruelty in the guise of "great tolerance and goodness".
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Help me out here. You get to label everyone that disagrees with you as SJW. Just searching your name and "sjw" gives 122 hits, but you have a problem being labeled MRA?
 
piasabird said:
Progressive is just a bunch of rich assholes telling us little folk how to live our lives. Barf me with a spoon.
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you would have preferred a world where women can't vote and still serve their husband while the colored folks do all the hard work around the house for a pittance.

sounds about right, eh?
 
alien42 said:
you would have preferred a world where women can't vote and still serve their husband while the colored folks do all the hard work around the house for a pittance.

sounds about right, eh?
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And this is exactly what most Democrats wanted at the times these critical votes were held.
 
^ oh brother, don't get 'em going on the vicarious history revison again.

My take is, people have a way of being extreme hypocrits, and it's my theory that if people give themselves a label that allows them to wear a guise of 'beyond reproach', then they will often go the opposite way from that label.

Examples: priests who mollest children. The more the person is held up to be 'holier-than-thou' the less I'd trust the person with my kid.

Bible thumpers that turn out to be as big "sinners" and worse than all the people they yell at.

Etc. etc.

Some (not all) people wrap themselves in a lable like 'progressive' and then they see it as a free pass to be as regressive and totalitarian as they want to be, because.. just read the label.
 
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