Are you buying a GTX 1070/1080?

[exar333]

They still need to sell current Fury chips, and if Polaris 10 is at MAXIMUM $250, this allows Fury X/Nano to occupy the $300-350 bracket, and offload those chips before the 1070, which IMO they SHOULD be doing now. They should have been fireselling those Fury X/Nano chips before the 1070/1080 announcement to maybe get some people on some "Good deals" of the Nano/Fury X chips that couldn't wait for a 1070/P10.

Totally agree. Albeit there are some workarounds in place, this is another negative out of the decision to release the Fury without HDMI 2.0 support. I know some average-Joe types who do look for that because they were told to make sure to get 2.0 to support for TVs, receivers, etc. That is a feature 'negative' that will continue to be a negative, albeit not a huge one, but perceived negatively anyways.

AMD should just discontinue the 390x/390 and replace those with Polaris and throw the Furys at something like this to compete with the 1080/1070 (assuming the 1070 ~980Ti performance):

-Polaris (sub-$300)
-Fury Nano $329
-Fury $359
-Fury X $379

 

[railven]

Totally agree. Albeit there are some workarounds in place, this is another negative out of the decision to release the Fury without HDMI 2.0 support. I know some average-Joe types who do look for that because they were told to make sure to get 2.0 to support for TVs, receivers, etc. That is a feature 'negative' that will continue to be a negative, albeit not a huge one, but perceived negatively anyways.

AMD should just discontinue the 390x/390 and replace those with Polaris and throw the Furys at something like this to compete with the 1080/1070 (assuming the 1070 ~980Ti performance):

-Polaris (sub-$300)
-Fury Nano $329
-Fury $359
-Fury X $379

Yeah, but then you're stuck with the 4GB limit unless they up to HBM2. If you have to choose between $380 4GB Fury X and $380 8GB GTX 1070, I think you're shooting yourself in the foot taking the Fury X.

Especially if the GTX 1070 can OC. The Fury X is stuck in the water.

 

[exar333]

Yeah, but then you're stuck with the 4GB limit unless they up to HBM2. If you have to choose between $380 4GB Fury X and $380 8GB GTX 1070, I think you're shooting yourself in the foot taking the Fury X.

Especially if the GTX 1070 can OC. The Fury X is stuck in the water.

Yeah, that is true. I guess they could have them at this price and add a good game bundle to entice buyers, or kick them even lower. Too low though, and Polaris would need to be sub $250 to differentiate.

Regardless, AMD is going to have a LOT of SKUs all below the $400 point. Maybe they will retire the Furys and just sell the Nano and the Fury X (or non X)? Shrink that to 2 options?

 

[railven]

Yeah, that is true. I guess they could have them at this price and add a good game bundle to entice buyers, or kick them even lower. Too low though, and Polaris would need to be sub $250 to differentiate.

Regardless, AMD is going to have a LOT of SKUs all below the $400 point. Maybe they will retire the Furys and just sell the Nano and the Fury X (or non X)? Shrink that to 2 options?

Dunno, AMD as usual seems to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. I can see them just ignoring GTX 1070/1080 until Vega is out. Focus on the bottom. The more seed they spread the more plants that can sprout.

Top tier is DOA until Vega hits the scene if you ask me.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Dunno, AMD as usual seems to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. I can see them just ignoring GTX 1070/1080 until Vega is out. Focus on the bottom. The more seed they spread the more plants that can sprout.

Top tier is DOA until Vega hits the scene if you ask me.

NVIDIA will also have credible offerings at the bottom (GP106/GP107), so it's not as though AMD can retreat to areas in which it has no competition.

 

[railven]

NVIDIA will also have credible offerings at the bottom (GP106/GP107), so it's not as though AMD can retreat to areas in which it has no competition.

I'm aware of that, but on the bottom it seems to me AMD has a stronger offering.

Granted Polaris 10 can be amazing and be Fury X performance so my post is all speculation. If Polaris 10 isn't Fury X performance, then I see AMD just abandoning the top until Vega 10 is ready. Fight the lower fight.

 

[Lepton87]

Wouldnt surprise me that Nvidia will move Titan and 1080Ti in two different directions this time.

GP100 for Titan P. Price, who knows but high.
GP102 for GTX 1080Ti. Price, $800+

But what would be the point of the Titan then? Simply a lower cost Tesla card without ECC? Or a transitional card until a gaming/fp32 focused card takes its place as the top gaming card? A transitional card would make sense for them to milk as many people as possible.
Any chip stripped of FP64 compute that is at least in the same ballpark as GP100 in terms of size will simply trounce it in gaming performance.

In the US the Titan X was $1050 IIRC. So 980Ti wasn't half the cost. In Poland your mileage may vary from EPA specs.

No, that's not it. I made a mistake. Somehow I thought about the biggest rip-off NV pulled on people ever. Of course I'm talking about Titan-Z, that thing was just unreal especially in light of R295X2 being on the market as its competitor.

 

[exar333]

I'm aware of that, but on the bottom it seems to me AMD has a stronger offering.

Granted Polaris 10 can be amazing and be Fury X performance so my post is all speculation. If Polaris 10 isn't Fury X performance, then I see AMD just abandoning the top until Vega 10 is ready. Fight the lower fight.

If Polaris 10 can be close to Fury, then AMD might as well just go P10 top to bottom and retire all their current 390/390x and Fury parts. Simplify their product stack and focus on the future.

 

[Sonikku13]

If Polaris 10 can be close to Fury, then AMD might as well just go P10 top to bottom and retire all their current 390/390x and Fury parts. Simplify their product stack and focus on the future.

Gotta agree with this, though I would fire sale their current inventory of 390/390X and Fury parts, and write it off as a loss. Like AMD has been losing money, but you might as well lose less money.

 

[Lepton87]

If Polaris 10 can be close to Fury, then AMD might as well just go P10 top to bottom and retire all their current 390/390x and Fury parts. Simplify their product stack and focus on the future.

Well, even if you are right about the performance there are other factors to consider. What is their inventory level? Have they stockpiled a significant number of the fury silicon? I think that might be the case because they failed to provide a superior product to NV in contemporary games and on top of that most 980Tis that NV have been selling are AIB's overclocked versions of the card, a card that at stock was more than a match for the FURY X in DX11 games. I think that Fury didn't even reach the AMD's own internal performance expectations due to underutilized shaders due to inadequate front-end and some other things that make it gain so little performance from additional shaders over Hawaii. On top of that I don't think core frequency targets have been reached either. However it would be far too simple to dismiss it as a failure altogether. GCN architecture has turned to have way more potential and to be far more prospective then most people give it credit for. Certainly at the time it was created it was far more advanced and prospective the Kepler which looks dated in comparison.
Having analyzed the performance trend of NV's and AMD's cards over time and current DX-12 performance makes me think that despite being as unimpressive as they are right now the fury cards should hold up pretty well in the future. So having a fire-sale of stockpiles of 28nm silicon before flooding the market with Polaris 10 and 11 would make me to watch it very closely. I need a card right now as I'm stuck with the Titan. I would grab a heavily discounted fury for sure to tide me over until the big guys arrive. Unfortunately I chose a G-SYNC enabled monitor so an NV card provides an extra feature to me so I would be a bit in favor of buying a high-end card from NV. A real high-end card with HBM memory and TDP in excess of 250 Watts and all that. But I would still like to see both unless of course one would launch much sooner than the other and in that case I wouldn't have anymore patience and would grab one. Also AMD might have gotten an limited supply of 14nm wafers so they can't satisfy all demand with 14nm silicon and they would have to sell both discounted 28nm cards and 14nm at the same time lest they would give up even more percentage of the already puny market-share to NVIDIA.

 

[tential]

Totally agree. Albeit there are some workarounds in place, this is another negative out of the decision to release the Fury without HDMI 2.0 support. I know some average-Joe types who do look for that because they were told to make sure to get 2.0 to support for TVs, receivers, etc. That is a feature 'negative' that will continue to be a negative, albeit not a huge one, but perceived negatively anyways.

AMD should just discontinue the 390x/390 and replace those with Polaris and throw the Furys at something like this to compete with the 1080/1070 (assuming the 1070 ~980Ti performance):

-Polaris (sub-$300)
-Fury Nano $329
-Fury $359
-Fury X $379

Prices aren't set in stone and yours are a good representation of what they may go with. Point is they would be lowering prices ASAP imo.

 

[Fire&Blood]

Wouldnt surprise me that Nvidia will move Titan and 1080Ti in two different directions this time.

GP100 for Titan P. Price, who knows but high.
GP102 for GTX 1080Ti. Price, $800+

I hope that's not true, an additional variant for Pascal compared to Maxwell implies the changes between the Titan and the TI card would be more significant than they were with Maxwell.

Looking at the big Pascal spec sheet, I think they won't cut it down but rather give the Pascal Titan more spotlight. Before seeing that and trying to extrapolate from the ballpark we now have of 1080, I did not think it was possible for this generation to produce a card capable of handling 4K but it may happen at the end of this one.

I'm thinking they'll introduce the Pascal Titan in time for the holidays and give it 6 months as the top card and then finally introduce the TI version.

I've always wanted a 12" x 5" piece of silicon to hold two transistors per every human on this planet :awe:

Yes, transistor count does not have to scale well but it's nearly doubling the 1080's count. And it ticks all the other boxes too, introduces HBM2 and is likely to fit in a power envelope that most could adopt without needing to upgrade PSU's.

Nvidia is in position to price Titan P founder edition at... $1500?
A $799 TI will seem like a sweet deal after 6 months of Titan P's market dominance, a massive crowd craving it's performance but impatiently waiting for it to drop below $1k will cave at that point. I'll probably be one of them.

 

[poohbear]

Its amazing what they did with Pascal, considering it's just a shrink of maxwell & therefore not a new architecture...and yet Nvidia still managed to make it 30%-50% faster. Volta is the real deal new architecture . Pascal is a filler but boy what a filler it's turning out to be if what Nvidia says is correct.

 

[Qwertilot]

Well, just maybe, possibly, it isn't 'just' a straight shrink of Maxwell

 

[guskline]

If Pascal is a "filler", borrowing liberally from W.C. Fields,

"Pascal, where is thy stain!":thumbsup)

 

[William Gaatjes]

I am waiting for the reviews of all the new cards. If polaris will do what i hope for, for a decent price. I will be buying a polaris base card.

If pigs start to fly and all goes to hell, i might end up with a R9 380 or a gp106 derivative instead.

(I sure hope there will not be going a tornado towards a pig farm in the upcoming weeks...)
Poor pigs.

 

[MagickMan]

Got to play on a 1080 this morning, one of the press even samples, and I may have ran a benchmark or two while I was at it. All I can say, because I don't want to get the person who has it in trouble, is that I wasn't wrong.

 

[boozzer]

I'm loving the fire sale on used 980TIs, just bought a 3rd card for $380.

but what happens when 1070 is similar performance? newer tech by a whole node and way lower power/performance and noise. alot of used sale places are telling everyone to hold off on buying old tech like 980 ti till the dust settles with the benchmarks.

those places got some nice caring people. want to pass along their goodness around.

 

[HeXen]

Got to play on a 1080 this morning, one of the press even samples, and I may have ran a benchmark or two while I was at it. All I can say, because I don't want to get the person who has it in trouble, is that I wasn't wrong.

just give a thumbs up if you were ok with it over the 980ti. 2 thumbs if the results were impressive and thumbs down if you weren't too impressed over the 980ti

 

[MongGrel]

just give a thumbs up if you were ok with it over the 980ti. 2 thumbs if the results were impressive and thumbs down if you weren't too impressed over the 980ti

I doubt he would even be too comfy putting that out there, I'm not in the market myself at the moment, but I would still be in the "waiting on benchmarks" crowd myself before even considering one.

 

[moonbogg]

just give a thumbs up if you were ok with it over the 980ti. 2 thumbs if the results were impressive and thumbs down if you weren't too impressed over the 980ti

Yes, and give 3 thumbs if it OC'd between 1800-2000
4 thumbs if between 2000-2200
5 thumbs if between 2200-2500!

Also, give 3 thumbs, then happy face, then 3 more thumbs if the OC was on air
Do the same, but with 4 thumbs if it needs water


OK GO!

One more request. Just say the name of the game, and then give the number of thumbs that corresponds to the percentage increase over a 980ti in that game. Use as many thumbs as needed. 25% faster needs 25 thumbs. OK GO!

 

[imaheadcase]

Got to play on a 1080 this morning, one of the press even samples, and I may have ran a benchmark or two while I was at it. All I can say, because I don't want to get the person who has it in trouble, is that I wasn't wrong.

Sure, we never heard that line on the internet before. My dad owns Nvidia, he knows you are wrong.

 

[MagickMan]

but what happens when 1070 is similar performance? newer tech by a whole node and way lower power/performance and noise. alot of used sale places are telling everyone to hold off on buying old tech like 980 ti till the dust settles with the benchmarks.

those places got some nice caring people. want to pass along their goodness around.

It probably isn't, at least not in real world games.

just give a thumbs up if you were ok with it over the 980ti. 2 thumbs if the results were impressive and thumbs down if you weren't too impressed over the 980ti

Hmm... Unless you've simply got the bug, or VR and efficiency are your jam, hold on to your GM200 cards for now. IOW, don't do anything silly, like sell off your 980TI, until the embargo lifts and you can see proper game benches. :whiste: (I can't say anything more, it ain't my card and I don't want trouble for the person who has it.)

Sure, we never heard that line on the internet before. My dad owns Nvidia, he knows you are wrong.

All I can say is that maybe you should have a glass of wine and relax.

 

[imaheadcase]

Yah because saying something would totally reveal info about a person from another anon person based on benchmarks. lol

 

[The Sauce]

Too much conflicting info. How can anyone decide to buy 1070/1080 without independent, proper test reviews?

Is that a thing?