Are you buying a GTX 1070/1080?

[PrincessFrosty]

Probably 2x 1080's

 

[Borealis7]

I really want to buy a 1080, the money is just waiting in the bank, but i'll be waiting for benchmarks AND after seeing those, most probably wait for October to see what AMD Vega has to offer.
Also, i'm a bit worried about the rumors of nVidia not fully implementing Async Compute on the hardware level, because it could hurt the "future-proofness" of the card I intend to hold on to for several years. I want to see official technical details before I decide.

if benches are satisfying (especially looking for good Witcher 3 performance), and Compute is a non-issue, i could see myself jumping on it come june-july, pending availability.

 

[Magic Carpet]

about 1080

Only one 8-pin power connector; should make for a pretty well balanced, reasonably quiet mid-range card. A quality product, but way too overpriced for me.

NVIDIA’s new flagship GeForce GTX 1080 is the most advanced gaming graphics card ever created.

Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight

about 1070

Just No. Way too gimped from what I've read so far.

Probably will pick up something AMD later this year (if perf/$ remains right of course). Not in the rush to play games at the moment, anyway.

 

[TeknoBug]

Will wait for AMD's releases.

 

[frowertr]

about 1080

Only one 8-pin power connector; should make for a pretty well balanced, reasonably quiet mid-range card. A quality product, but way too overpriced for me.


Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight

about 1070

Just No. Way too gimped from what I've read so far.

Probably will pick up something AMD later this year (if perf/$ remains right of course). Not in the rush to play games at the moment, anyway.

I don't understand how a card that is faster than a Titan X can be considered "mid-range".

 

[Arachnotronic]

I don't understand how a card that is faster than a Titan X can be considered "mid-range".

It's the ridiculous "die size" argument again. I don't buy die size, I buy performance. If GTX 1070 offers Titan X class performance just over a year after Titan X launched, it's not a mid-range card. It's a high end product.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I don't understand how a card that is faster than a Titan X can be considered "mid-range".

Mid-range compared to whatever else is coming on the same architecture. Not to mention this GPU takes a couple of unfair advantages 1) new process 2) new memory over Titan X. Could of been much faster, if Nvidia didn't stick to only a single power connector (a trait of truly mid-range products). Not to say, I don't enjoy power efficient cards, but let's call products their names. This is just another over-priced mid-range Nvidia card.

 

[moonbogg]

I don't understand how a card that is faster than a Titan X can be considered "mid-range".

Because we know there is a MUCH faster Pascal GPU coming for at least the same price, probably much higher at first. That will be the high end card, not the 1080.
Last generation products are done, dead, over. Its all about the new cards now, and they fall into a product family. For Nvidia, that is the Pascal family. Pascal features low end, mid range, and high end products. The 1080 is the mid range product and the 1070 is the upper end of the low performance, lower mid range products. If you want a high end GPU you have two choices if you want Nvidia and the 1080 isn't one of those choices. You must already have a 980ti/Titanx, or wait for the Pascal high end to come. Those are the high end GPU possibilities until high end Volta.
Also, 1070 matching TitanX is not impressive. That's called normal for a semi mid range product to match the last generation high end. That's what progress is supposed to look like. Its not supposed to be a marginal increase each year for more and more money each time like Nvidia has been doing.

 

[Face2Face]

There is no reason to think the 1070 won't OC as well as it's big brother. With any luck we could be looking at + 20-30% performance over the Titan X for under $400.

Could of been much faster, if Nvidia didn't stick to only a single power connector (a trait of truly mid-range products). Not to say, I don't enjoy power efficient cards, but let's call products their names. This is just another over-priced mid-range Nvidia card.

The question is, how much of a power limit increase is NVIDIA's Greenlight program going to to give us. I mean a 180w card + 25% gives us 225w, which is what the ATX spec suggests with the PCIe slot and 8 pin PEG. I'm curious to see how GPU Boost 3.0 works...

 

[Magic Carpet]

Back in the day, the fastest GPU used to come out first (I think). Now things have changed. Better for business, I guess. These days, one has to have a lot of faith and patience

 

[moonbogg]

Back in the day, the fastest GPU used to come out first (I think). Now things have changed. Better for business, I guess. These days, one has to have a lot of faith and patience

I just completely ignore the mid range products as far as making a purchase decision is concerned. I won't play that over priced mid range game. I don't buy mid range cards so I just wait for a real card. I used to buy mid range cards, if the performance and price was right. There were some real winners in the past, such as the Geforce 8800GT. That card was about $300 and was nearly as fast as its CURRENT high end counter part. Now that's an exciting mid range product. Not one that costs MORE than a high end product, lol.
The good thing about mid range cards coming out first though is they give us a potential indication of how potent the architecture is and I can at least try to guestimate how well the big chip will perform. In this case the clock speeds are pretty damn exciting. I bet the real high end card will perform blistering fast and be a worthy candidate for an upgrade, possibly a single GPU solution if it OC's anything like the 1080 appears to.

 

[tential]

I just completely ignore the mid range products as far as making a purchase decision is concerned. I won't play that over priced mid range game. I don't buy mid range cards so I just wait for a real card. I used to buy mid range cards, if the performance and price was right. There were some real winners in the past, such as the Geforce 8800GT. That card was about $300 and was nearly as fast as its CURRENT high end counter part. Now that's an exciting mid range product. Not one that costs MORE than a high end product, lol.

Unless the 1080Ti comes out at $1000+, I don't see how the 1080 is a great deal at all. It's a horrendous deal at $700 when the 1080Ti will be int he similar price range for far more performance.

It's just a massive early adopters fee. Fine if you want to pay it, but just not worth it.
But I mean, when you have ZERO competition, why not price as high as you possibly can? IMO, the prices are LOW.

Nvidia's 1070/1080 evoke emotions in gamers as they are being compared to high end cards.

AMD being compared to a 390x... I mean, does anyone get excited about the 390x unless it's performing like a 980Ti? Not me...

 

[Arachnotronic]

Unless the 1080Ti comes out at $1000+, I don't see how the 1080 is a great deal at all. It's a horrendous deal at $700 when the 1080Ti will be int he similar price range for far more performance.

What makes you think the 1080 Ti, whatever that GPU will actually look like, will come out at the same price as the GTX 1080? Was the GTX 980 at $549 a "bad deal" because the GTX 980 Ti came out at $650 nine months later?

It's just a massive early adopters fee. Fine if you want to pay it, but just not worth it.
But I mean, when you have ZERO competition, why not price as high as you possibly can? IMO, the prices are LOW.

NVIDIA has competition in the form of AMD.

Nvidia's 1070/1080 evoke emotions in gamers as they are being compared to high end cards.

Amazing what a well oiled marketing machine can do Titan X was clearly kept in the market after 980 Ti made it obsolete just so that NVIDIA could use it as the reference point for 1070/1080. Quite brilliant actually.

 

[Magic Carpet]

The good thing about mid range cards coming out first though is they give us a potential indication of how potent the architecture is and I can at least try to guestimate how well the big chip will perform.

That's a good point. See good in bad :thumbsup:

In this case the clock speeds are pretty damn exciting. I bet the real high end card will perform blistering fast and be a worthy candidate for an upgrade, possibly a single GPU solution if it OC's anything like the 1080 appears to.

Should be fast, as well as power-efficient. Just look at their prev. architecture, 980 Ti had very competitive performance per watt numbers. Can't see 980 Ti losing value as fast as 780 Ti, though I might be wrong here, lol.

 

[Qwertilot]

Not sure if the comparison vs Titan X was marketing They were always (because marketing!) going to compare vs reference cards, and Titan X was the fastest reference card.

More good for people - it must also be said that they couldn't release a really good 1080ti just yet. It'd be utterly daft to do that without volume HBM2 and that's 6+ months away.

Also, is the time difference for 1080 top card going to be much shorter than the 1080ti? Not sure. Given NV's recent track record it seems a pretty safe bet that Volta's 1180 will get ahead of the 1080ti, so.......

 

[x3sphere]

As it stands I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual 1080 Ti gets a bump in price over last gen, probably $750 for the Ti and $1200 for the Titan.

Or they might keep prices the same but hold back on the next round of Pascal cards, so that they can release a third wave like with 780 Ti / Titan Black.

 

[Grooveriding]

I just completely ignore the mid range products as far as making a purchase decision is concerned. I won't play that over priced mid range game. I don't buy mid range cards so I just wait for a real card. I used to buy mid range cards, if the performance and price was right. There were some real winners in the past, such as the Geforce 8800GT. That card was about $300 and was nearly as fast as its CURRENT high end counter part. Now that's an exciting mid range product. Not one that costs MORE than a high end product, lol.
The good thing about mid range cards coming out first though is they give us a potential indication of how potent the architecture is and I can at least try to guestimate how well the big chip will perform. In this case the clock speeds are pretty damn exciting. I bet the real high end card will perform blistering fast and be a worthy candidate for an upgrade, possibly a single GPU solution if it OC's anything like the 1080 appears to.

I agree with your sentiments. Historically we know what to expect from the big die Pascal; likely 30% faster than a 1080, somewhere around 980ti SLI performance in a single card.

The main issue for me is how long from now. I don't expect to see the card until 2017 and with Maxwell support assuredly now getting the Kepler in the crapper treatment, it's going to perform like ass in any new significant titles I want to play. AMD has nothing in this class of performance apparently. So it's keep the 980ti and get garbage performance in the new Deus Ex or Battlefield 1, or replace them with a 1080 and wait for the real high end Pascal card.

I like gaming too much to chance getting potentially awful performance in games I really want to play. Just look at what Kepler users got in Witcher 3, a kick to the teeth, that is what is in store for 980ti / Titan X owners in the next big AAA demanding title.

It's too bad AMD cannot put out a high end competitive card in close sync with nvidia. It would be nice to have an option, because nvidia is exploiting that lack of competition at the high end like nobody's business. It used to be that we'd be getting GP100 geforce right now, and the gp104 mid range cards would be coming later. That doesn't happen anymore.

 

[tential]

What makes you think the 1080 Ti, whatever that GPU will actually look like, will come out at the same price as the GTX 1080? Was the GTX 980 at $549 a "bad deal" because the GTX 980 Ti came out at $650 nine months later?

Yes, the 980 was a bad deal in a price/perf. Duh. Why defend it? Just like the 1080 is. So what? Not every purchase in life has to be about price/perf. If you want it, BUY IT.

NVIDIA has competition in the form of AMD.

The 1070/1080 are in a different performance category than the P10 AMD is producing. Unless you're about to claim that AMD's P10 will actually compete with the 1070/1080 at a vastly smaller die size and price level. Which would be hilarious.

Amazing what a well oiled marketing machine can do Titan X was clearly kept in the market after 980 Ti made it obsolete just so that NVIDIA could use it as the reference point for 1070/1080. Quite brilliant actually.

Or the Titan X is kept in the market because it's the halo product that Nvidia can make far more on?
If the Titan X was obsolete, people would have sold their Titan X and gotten 980Tis.... Many didn't, because people WANT Titan Xs. So please don't tell me it's an obsolete product. I have friends who still have SLI Titan Xs.
Being able to hold the $1k price tag by yourself? For TWO generations straight? It's honestly unfair having these two companies compete against each other.
Even worse when you consider AMD's attempt at getting to the $1k price tag with the Fury X, and having to drastically scale that expectation back.

 

[Elfear]

I've been thinking about selling my 1525Mhz 980Ti, but the price to upgrade to a 1080 is just too much. I'd probably have to pony up $250-300 for what, 20% more performance?

 

[tential]

I've been thinking about selling my 1525Mhz 980Ti, but the price to upgrade to a 1080 is just too much. I'd probably have to pony up $250-300 for what, 20% more performance?

Then sell, wait, and then get the 1080 non FE edition. You will upgrade for $100-200. Selling now you can still get a good amount on Ebay or on Craigslist.

Or you can wait, sell the 980Ti later for the 1080Ti?
You'd get $400 probably then, but you'd pay $250-300 for a 1080Ti at around 600-700?
I'd actually probably just do that.

 

[redzo]

... Could of been much faster, if Nvidia didn't stick to only a single power connector (a trait of truly mid-range products). Not to say, I don't enjoy power efficient cards, but let's call products their names. This is just another over-priced mid-range Nvidia card.

Sadly, I believe you won't get disappointed. If 14/16nm is here to stay, just like 28nm did, we should get ready for the next wave of 2x power connector bigger 14/nm dies.

 

[Innokentij]

Waiting for Vega/1080 Ti instead. Not paying flagship prices for mid range cards.

Pretty much this but not interested in anything AMD has to offer.

 

[MagickMan]

Yah because saying something would totally reveal info about a person from another anon person based on benchmarks. lol

Or, they could figure out who I am, not too hard, and through their records locate the person who lives within 5 miles of me who went to the press event. :\ Carry on.

 

[tential]

Or, they could figure out who I am, not too hard, and through their records locate the person who lives within 5 miles of me who went to the press event. :\ Carry on.

From this new information, we know MagickMan's source is within 5 miles of his location.
GOGOGO!
/sarcasm

 

[Headfoot]

I don't understand how a card that is faster than a Titan X can be considered "mid-range".

Easy. There is a Pascal chip ABOVE and BELOW it. What is the word for something inbetween the top and bottom. Middle. Mid-range. This is irrespective of die size or anything else. Purely on a product positioning basis.