Originally posted by: Michael
Or maybe I'm a longtime forum member that has been trading posts with moonbeam for years and am honestly concerned?
zebo - simply responding to moonbeam's last post.
DealMonkey - too old, experienced and cynical to think that I can keep anyone on an internet message board "in line". Just posting my thoughts and opinions. Thanks for your reply.
Michael
So let me go see what my last post and your response was:
Moonbeam: "I can't help it, Hero, I'm just a really bad dude. I guess watching people of character, character assassinate liberals just kinda got on my nerves. And besides I'm absolutely right about everything I say being as how it comes straight from God. I can understand very well, unimaginably well in fact, what a pain in the ass I can be. I guess about your only hope is figuring out why I bother you in particularly. You can always try decommissioning your buttons so they don't get pushed every time I walk by."
To which you respond with the above mentioned honest concern:
Michael: "moonbeam - You can also stop trolling. I'm afraid that you've become addicted to it and you're doing it for the pure pleasure of getting the reaction, not for a cause you believe in. Or maybe you just feel so superior that you like to knick the ant hill and watch the puny little ants scurry around. If half the posts you make about yourself and your views are true (the more serious ones where you try and describe yourself), then I think you've allowed yourself to be seriously swayed away from what you believe in.
You like to say that Bush has hit his tar baby and now it is sticking to him. did you hit a tar baby posting on this forum? Are tactics you claim to dislike now sticking to you?
Or are you just an outright troll?
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OK, first off I think you've used an awkward grammatical construction I'm having trouble getting my mind around. I'm not sure what you mean by 'I have allowed myself to be seriously swayed away from what I believe.' Who applied this suasion to me? Me? If so, how would I sway myself away from what I believe? I assume you must mean I have somehow wandered away from what I have said, elsewhere, I believe. This would mean that there is a gap between what I preach, so to speak, and what I do. Is that what you are saying?
Lets assume so for a minute and go on:
Ok, you informed me I can stop trolling. Whoa, don't you think that was kind of brusque way to begin? What if I wasn't even aware I was trolling? It's not perhaps, in that case, necessarily going to be easy for me to assimilate this advice. In fact I'm not really sure what a troll is or what you mean by it. I never thought of myself as one, I suppose. Now I know it's difficult to see yourself, I'm, talking here to me, (it's not easy to see myself) so my general practice, when I'm feeling honestly concerned about showing somebody else something directly, is not to be too provocative. In other words I wouldn't, under normal circumstances, walk up to some deluded troll and say you can stop trolling because my anticipation would be that they would just get defensive. Of course you may see things beyond what I can see, but right off the bat, based on the level at which my intuition operates, I'm just a bit suspicious of your tone. It's not one that I would take and call seriously concerned and operating to the best of my intuition, however poor it may be, is the best I can do. It's all the standard I can muster.
But in good spirit, let?s not let my suspicions stop us from moving on. I want to take what you say seriously (as serious as I can) like others never do with me Your next point:
"I'm afraid that you've become addicted to it and you're doing it for the pure pleasure of getting the reaction, not for a cause you believe in."
Ok here a couple of red lights also, unfortunately, come on. Why and how did you come to suspect this thing? Everything I understand about others is because I've seen it in myself. That what my consciousness, my life experience tells me. Do you see what I see; is such a point of view a part of your experience too? Are you aware of an addiction you have to getting a reaction to your posts? Does that cause you to be worried? Do you think in this same way as me, i.e. that we project the content of our unconscious mind out onto the world? The flaws we see in others are the ones we hide from ourselves..... right? I ask because if you are unaware of how this works, and I'm right, you could just be projecting on me. There wouldn't be much use in me busting my ass here to see myself if this is really just about you. Know what I mean? But I'll keep going just as if I knew you'd taken this into account. I want to give your words a serious hearing:
?Or maybe you just feel so superior that you like to knick the ant hill and watch the puny little ants scurry around.?
Again a bit harsh in my estimation for honest concern, but hey, what do I know. And also this raises the same questions I dealt with above. I can, I think, answer this more certainly, though, anyway. No, I don?t think I feel superior like that. If there is truth here it would be because I feel just the opposite, inferior and in need of showing off my what, (beautiful boot?) in a feeble attempt to falsely prop up my ailing self esteem. I believe, in other words, that all pretension of superiority is a result of hidden feelings of worthlessness.
Your critique of me does raise some serious and potentially perhaps even valid point, however, and about which I will admit to being suspicious about myself from time to time, and which, therefore, I can honestly tell you I often reflect on. Maybe you are right, so let?s go on:
?If half the posts you make about yourself and your views are true (the more serious ones where you try and describe yourself), then I think you've allowed yourself to be seriously swayed away from what you believe in.?
Well I mentioned my grammatical question here but there?s another problem too. The truth or falseness of your comment in part lies in how accurately you understand what I post. If you haven?t the foggiest notion what the portion of my serious posts you refer to mean and what they imply about me, you wouldn?t, naturally, be in a very good position to say if I?ve drifted off or not. But we?re in charity mode here, so we?ll assume you do:
Well now this is really something with which I struggle all the time. How can I best say what it is I want to say and at the same time care for the wolf and the sheep entrusted in my keeping, In short, how do I post fulfilling all the duties to myself as a man and to you as one as well? Not an easy question to answer, but one I think about it a lot.
I sometimes think to myself that I should just say exactly what I think is true. But then I think it would be a waste of time. Nobody has the ears to hear, nobody being a relatively statistical term. And what am I going to feed the wolf among so savage a lot? I don?t want my sheep eaten for lack of protection now do I? I'm using a short hand personal language here, I know. The inner world has such a poor English vocabulary. So anyway I do think about your point. Next:
?You like to say that Bush has hit his tar baby and now it is sticking to him. did you hit a tar baby posting on this forum? Are tactics you claim to dislike now sticking to you??
Could you maybe clarify what tactics you mean? I?m not used to anybody, again statistically speaking, having even a remote appreciation for my tactics. They?re not that wild or anything and I don't really think of them as tactics actually, but perhaps 'my strategy' is a bit out of the norm. That said, then, it would strike me as most unusual you?d know what they are. Naturally that raises the question as to which of us has a better insight into what I?m really doing. I have to think about what you say. So some answers to my questions here above will help in that a lot:
With regard to the grammar thingi, were you implying that I don't do what I preach?
Are you aware of and did you consider the possibility that you are projecting?
What is your view of what my pasts posts, the serious ones, say?
What is your definition or vision of my 'tactics'?
If I knew the answers to the above questions I would be in a better able to respond.
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