as a liberal myself, I'd rather have a center-left majority than an ideologically pure progressive minority.
If you want a center left majority, or left anything at all keep dreaming. Take away Sanders and the only people left in the field are conservative lite, ultra conservative and crazy conservative.
What's ironic is that the "Liberal tea party extremists" people are thinking is going to be created would basically be what passes for a run of the mill liberal party in Germany, Britain, Canada etc. Basically anywhere else in the developed world. The Tea Party is so damn conservative I'm not even sure those other countries even have a comparable variant.
What's ironic is that the "Liberal tea party extremists" people are thinking is going to be created would basically be what passes for a run of the mill liberal party in Germany, Britain, Canada etc. Basically anywhere else in the developed world. The Tea Party is so damn conservative I'm not even sure those other countries even have a comparable variant.
Yes, but those parties are trying to win elections in Germany, Britain, Canada, etc. We are trying to win an election in the United States.
I completely agree with you that the Democratic Party is not very liberal by world standards, it's frankly hilarious to me when conservatives try and paint the Democratic Party as somehow extreme when it's basically defined by its extreme moderation.
That being said for America, the Democratic Party is liberal. Saying anyone who is to the right of Bernie Sanders (and Clinton is not actually very far to the right of him) is a conservative is just doing the same bullshit that the Tea Party does. It's an attempt to marginalize dissenting opinions within your own party by painting them as traitors or others.
What's ironic is that the "Liberal tea party extremists" people are thinking is going to be created would basically be what passes for a run of the mill liberal party in Germany, Britain, Canada etc. Basically anywhere else in the developed world. The Tea Party is so damn conservative I'm not even sure those other countries even have a comparable variant.
Yes, but those parties are trying to win elections in Germany, Britain, Canada, etc. We are trying to win an election in the United States.
I completely agree with you that the Democratic Party is not very liberal by world standards, it's frankly hilarious to me when conservatives try and paint the Democratic Party as somehow extreme when it's basically defined by its extreme moderation.
That being said for America, the Democratic Party is liberal. Saying anyone who is to the right of Bernie Sanders (and Clinton is not actually very far to the right of him) is a conservative is just doing the same bullshit that the Tea Party does. It's an attempt to marginalize dissenting opinions within your own party by painting them as traitors or others.
You'd be wrong about that.
http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2085728,00.html
They just don't have the leverage within the system that the Teahad enjoys in this country.
I did not say anyone right of Sanders is a conservative, only that no one else in the running of candidates is really a liberal option. I know that Hillary has been parroting many of Bernie's lines lately, but before he came around she was all for free trade, still opposes single payer, will fight for the banks and wall st etc. She's no liberal.
If only the Tea party had a comparable amount of "leverage" in our own country.
I'm no one supporter, but if i had to choose i would chose Tramp hands down,cause in all of them only Trump stands out.
I'm no one supporter, but if i had to choose i would chose Tramp hands down,cause in all of them only Trump stands out.
It may not do any difference in the end cause all of them are most like the same,but Tramp seems to have more spank compared to the other contenders, that's why i supported first Bush,then Obama cause they seem to bring some new and convinced most people they would fight the establishment,but in the end establishment is still there after all these Presidential swaps,we are hoping at last Tramp will do it ,although i don't believe it ,although the hopes are always there, that's why people keep on voting for someone to change the Establishment.
I did not say anyone right of Sanders is a conservative, only that no one else in the running of candidates is really a liberal option. I know that Hillary has been parroting many of Bernie's lines lately, but before he came around she was all for free trade, still opposes single payer, will fight for the banks and wall st etc. She's no liberal.
If only the Tea party had a comparable amount of "leverage" in our own country.
Their loss. If "low risk, low reward" is your ideal world then maybe the United State isn't a good fit for your needs. If you care more about your relative standard of living versus some rich person more than your actual standard of living regardless of others then likewise maybe one of those other nations is more to your liking.
That chart looks suspicious. What criteria was used for socioeconomic status?
That 10% stat is fishy as well. Why 10%? Medicaid?
Hillary is a corrupt career politician. Given the choice I'd rather see Rubio in office. If the democrats would actually legalize marijuana that would give me enough incentive to vote for them but as it stands they don't so I'd rather have less of a nanny state mentality and more gun rights and I simply don't want to have to look at Hillary's face for 4 years.
Hillary is a corrupt career politician. Given the choice I'd rather see Rubio in office. If the democrats would actually legalize marijuana that would give me enough incentive to vote for them but as it stands they don't so I'd rather have less of a nanny state mentality and more gun rights and I simply don't want to have to look at Hillary's face for 4 years. I'm a mixture of libertarian and socialist traits. I'd like to see the border sealed, but you can become a citizen if you can speak fluent english, that being the only requirement. I wouldn't mind national healthcare either, but you can't afford national healthcare with lots of undocumented people who don't contribute to the system getting it for free.. the larger the welfare class the less socialism works because there's too many people to support.
I also don't want to lose my gun rights. This is one area where the left is just flat wrong and run on emotions. Guns are a tool and with the proper safety courses and practice they are perfectly fine for people to be able to have to defend themselves against criminals. Get a democrat near you out to the gun range and get them to a 6 hour firearms safety course. Make them a convert. Knowledge and experience are power.
I have voted democrat my whole life.
But I cannot, and I will not cast a vote for Hillary Clinton.
She isnt a republican or a democrat.
She just does whatever she gets paid the most to do....like most politicians.
But to an extreme where she has no real opinions. Just what she thinks will get her elected crossed with who pays her the most.
This election might not be the lesser of 2 evils, it might be just picking which evil you like better...
You can burn to death or freeze to death, ya know? lol