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soundforbjt said:
Trump cares only about Trump, nothing or no one else. Stopping criminal action taken against him is his only real priority, he could care less about the republican agenda as long as they provide cover for him.
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Then its not a coup so much as its an egotistical person that wants to do what is best for him.
 
vi edit said:
Why can't it be both?
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Intrinsically its not doing anything that is not within the scope of typical politics. Trump is trying to get someone elected that helps him, just as a D would elect someone that is Left which helps the party.

I should also note, that I don't think Trump is trying to get him in to safeguard him from being indicted. From what I understand, the argument is a sitting president could not be indicted, but, a president removed could be. So putting K in would do next to nothing if anything at all.
 
realibrad said:
Intrinsically its not doing anything that is not within the scope of typical politics. Trump is trying to get someone elected that helps him, just as a D would elect someone that is Left which helps the party.

I should also note, that I don't think Trump is trying to get him in to safeguard him from being indicted. From what I understand, the argument is a sitting president could not be indicted, but, a president removed could be. So putting K in would do next to nothing if anything at all.
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There's case on the docket of SC that could expand Trump's pardon powers to include state as well as federal, Kavanaugh could be the deciding vote on whether Trump could be subpoenaed to testify to Mueller, neither of those are good for the country, but are great for trump.
 
soundforbjt said:
There's case on the docket of SC that could expand Trump's pardon powers to include state as well as federal, Kavanaugh could be the deciding vote on whether Trump could be subpoenaed to testify to Mueller, neither of those are good for the country, but are great for trump.
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If anything is found that would validate an indictment, then it would also likely trigger an impeachment. Once he is removed, would would be very likely, they could bring charges as he would no longer have the power to pardon himself. So all you have to do is wait to bring charges until after he is removed. Done right?
 
realibrad said:
From what I understand, the argument is a sitting president could not be indicted, but, a president removed could be. So putting K in would do next to nothing if anything at all.
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That argument is just a guess at this time, if it came down to it, it would be the Supreme Court that would decides that, which brings us right back to the importance of this nomination.
 
realibrad said:
If anything is found that would validate an indictment, then it would also likely trigger an impeachment. Once he is removed, would would be very likely, they could bring charges as he would no longer have the power to pardon himself. So all you have to do is wait to bring charges until after he is removed. Done right?
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Impeachment isn't happening. Period. Craven GOP will never give up enough votes in senate to make that a possibility. House could pull off a vote for it if Dems take house in November, but it's meaningless if Senate doesn't vote to convict.
 
SMOGZINN said:
That argument is just a guess at this time, if it came down to it, it would be the Supreme Court that would decides that, which brings us right back to the importance of this nomination.
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Decide what? The only debate that I know of is over a sitting president, not a former president. Is that not correct?
 
vi edit said:
Impeachment isn't happening. Period. Craven GOP will never give up enough votes in senate to make that a possibility. House could pull off a vote for it if Dems take house in November, but it's meaningless if Senate doesn't vote to convict.
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If we have hard evidence for a indictment, then I would bet there would be GOP votes. He does not have popular support now, imagine what the public would do if that happened.
 
realibrad said:
If anything is found that would validate an indictment, then it would also likely trigger an impeachment. Once he is removed, would would be very likely, they could bring charges as he would no longer have the power to pardon himself. So all you have to do is wait to bring charges until after he is removed. Done right?
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Republicans will never vote to impeach Trump, never. And if by some miracle it did happen, Pence would pardon him.
 
soundforbjt said:
Republicans will never vote to impeach Trump, never. And if by some miracle it did happen, Pence would pardon him.
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Then the Kavanaugh nomination is totally irrelevant. If Trump is a sitting president, he would be pardoned. If he is removed, he will be pardoned. The only benefit then of Kavanaugh would be political and thus not a coup. Would that not be correct?
 
realibrad said:
Then the Kavanaugh nomination is totally irrelevant. If Trump is a sitting president, he would be pardoned. If he is removed, he will be pardoned. The only benefit then of Kavanaugh would be political and thus not a coup. Would that not be correct?
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Not quite, Trump could use his expanded pardon powers to keep his family safe (Don Jr & Kushner) and Kavanaugh will block Trump from Mueller meaning he (and his family) could "skate" on charges even being brought up to begin with. Trump could win re-election and do further damage because of this.
 
soundforbjt said:
Not quite, Trump could use his expanded pardon powers to keep his family safe (Don Jr & Kushner) and Kavanaugh will block Trump from Mueller meaning he (and his family) could "skate" on charges even being brought up to begin with. Trump could win re-election and do further damage because of this.
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Expanded pardon powers? Currently the default position is that you cannot. Kavanaugh is in the majority in believing that you cannot bring charges to a sitting president. That is not new.

That said, Kavanaugh has nothing to do with charges brought against the Trump family because the situation only relates to the president from what I see. Kavanaugh can do nothing to Muller that Trump cannot already do. Trump has the absolute authority to stop any investigation by the FBI, even if its an investigation into him.

So Kavanaugh still has no relation to this from your premise.
 
ivwshane said:
I disagree and agree at the same time. His views aren't all that different from other judges, especially the conservative ones (full of federalist society members but that's a whole other topic). However, the difference between him and the others is his loyalty to his party before country. He helped attack a sitting president in what was truly a witch hunt who was impeached due to a perjury trap (unless you can tell me what an extramarital affair had to do with white water).
He also helped with the justification of torture by the Bush admin.
He also used stolen information to help pass through nominations to federal courts.
Add to that his rant about a left wing conspiracy and payback by the Clinton's and its clear where his loyalties lie.
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Actually, none of those are the most dangerous things about Kavanaugh. The most concerning thing is his extreme view of shielding POTUSES from legal consequences while in office and the fact that Trump picked him and has stayed with him through scandal when he could have picked another with the same conservative views but minus the odd views on presidential immunity from...everything.

Also, in regard to the partisanship issue, that is based on comments he made in his opening statement. Comments which were almost certainly insisted upon by Trump himself. Trump doesn't just "give away" something as desirable as a SCOTUS seat. No matter how partisan Kavanaugh may or may not be on his own, he has clearly become Trump's bitch. Just think about this: Trump could have cut him loose at any time in this process. Kavanaugh owes him. And that is what should really concern us because when a POTUS no longer has to obey the law, that is when fascism really starts.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Actually, none of those are the most dangerous things about Kavanaugh. The most concerning thing is his extreme view of shielding POTUSES from legal consequences while in office and the fact that Trump picked him and has stayed with him through scandal when he could have picked another with the same conservative views but minus the odd views on presidential immunity from...everything.

Also, in regard to the partisanship issue, that is based on comments he made in his opening statement. Comments which were almost certainly insisted upon by Trump himself. Trump doesn't just "give away" something as desirable as a SCOTUS seat. No matter how partisan Kavanaugh may or may not be on his own, he has clearly become Trump's bitch. Just think about this: Trump could have cut him loose at any time in this process. Kavanaugh owes him. And that is what should really concern us because when a POTUS no longer has to obey the law, that is when fascism really starts.
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That actually is probably not true.

Trump cant be indicted while in office, but you could impeach him. Impeach him and then bring charges. The judge can do little to nothing to protect trump.
 
realibrad said:
That actually is probably not true.

Trump cant be indicted while in office, but you could impeach him. Impeach him and then bring charges. The judge can do little to nothing to protect trump.
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Wrong. It isn't the question of whether a POTUS can be indicated while in office. That is settled law. There's much more to it than that.

Indeed, Kavanaugh’s writing suggests that, as a justice, he might reject important Supreme Court case law and support the president’s right to refuse to turn over evidence to Mueller’s team. He might also hold that a president can refuse to answer questions in a criminal investigation. In other words, if Kavanaugh is appointed, Trump could have newly found constitutional privileges to undermine Mueller’s investigation.
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/04/kavanaugh-trump-mueller-executive-power-219634
 
woolfe9998 said:
Wrong. It isn't the question of whether a POTUS can be indicated while in office. That is settled law. There's much more to it than that.



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/09/04/kavanaugh-trump-mueller-executive-power-219634
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This is a large debate that does not put Kavanaugh on an island. Muller likely agrees with Kavanaugh which is why Trump himself has not bee subpoenaed. What Kavanaugh has said fits within the larger debate about a sitting president. Remove the president and all of this is meaningless.
 
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