Are we there yet? Anybody still in doubt that a Trump Presidency is a national disaster?

[agent00f]

He's a racist moron who is oblivious to the fact that people just like him lost Hillary the election. He'll never "get" it because that's the drowning anchor of oblivious idiots. He (or she) is so drunk on spewing anti-trump rhetorical talking points that they can't see straight. Don't ask them to go off-script though. They are lost.

Let's not pretend people who choose to parrot GOP agitprop were ever independent, no matter how much they lie about it for obvious reasons. Don't worry though, so many liberals love you guys enough to pay your way through life not matter how much you stab them in the back. LOL they're such suckers.

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course it's the democrats fault for not realizing just how blatant racist much of the country is, and the sheer will of others to ignore it for their own reasons. In all fairness it's understandable embarrassing to admit so many want to keep minorities & such down so they can keep a bigger piece of the pie; that would make them look selfish and self-interested.

It's not about holding other people down but about fear of being dragged down & transforming that into culture warrior attitudes. It's divide & conquer along the usual social fault lines of race & the contrived urban/rural divide.

Poor people & illegals aren't dragging us down. Greed at the top is pushing us down. I suspect we'll need some great economic disaster for people to see that, something that Trump & the Repubs will likely provide. Whether we'll see it or not is the real question. We didn't last time.

Remember what happened last time when the bankers exploited deregulation, lax oversight & all the hot money from high end tax cuts? Repubs will be sailing us right back into those same dangerous waters.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

what makes you feel good about a trump presidency? that he makes "the other people" mad?

do you not have concern over the environment, labor regulations, internet regulations, or anything else of matter to national policy, infrastructure, and technological development within the united states?

Of course i do, and i think that President Trump is going to do a far better job on those issues than Obama has for the last 8 years, or Bush for the 8 years previous to that. How in the world can you think that Obama did a good job on any of those things?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Of course i do, and i think that President Trump is going to do a far better job on those issues than Obama has for the last 8 years, or Bush for the 8 years previous to that. How in the world can you think that Obama did a good job on any of those things?

two words: tom wheeler.

 

[compuwiz1]

Agent is completely delusional.

Agent oaf = complete doofus.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

two words: tom wheeler.

It isn't a slam-dunk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality

"...................Arguments against

• 6.1Reduction in innovation and investments
• 6.2Counterweight to server-side non-neutrality
• 6.3Broadband infrastructure
• 6.4Significant and growing competition
• 6.5Broadband choice
• 6.6Deterring competition
• 6.7Potentially increased taxes
• 6.8Prevent overuse of bandwidth
• 6.9High costs to entry for cable broadband
• 6.10Unnecessary regulations"

 

[ivwshane]

He's a racist moron who is oblivious to the fact that people just like him lost Hillary the election. He'll never "get" it because that's the drowning anchor of oblivious idiots. He (or she) is so drunk on spewing anti-trump rhetorical talking points that they can't see straight. Don't ask them to go off-script though. They are lost.

You appear to not know how elections work. She lost because key areas didn't vote for her. You can speculate as to why but the fact is that those key areas chose trump over her. No other Democratic candidate (ie Bernie) would have overcame his appeal. Why? I don't know. You tell me why people find him appealing and then tell me why the reality doesn't match their perception. Then tell me how any candidate could overcome a competitor whose supporters saw whatever they wanted to see in him.

 

[wirelessenabled]

It's the best political thing that's happened in this country for decades. So speak for yourself or the minority of crybabies that lost the Presidency, the Senate, the House of Representatives and the Supreme Court in this election cycle.

What is your definition of "minority of crybabies"? Clinton got 2.5 MILLION more votes than Trump. the Electoral College has fucked the People's choice this time.

 

[buckshot24]

What is your definition of "minority of crybabies"? Clinton got 2.5 MILLION more votes than Trump. the Electoral College has fucked the People's choice this time.

That isn't how we elect presidents, do you need a refresher course in civics?

 

[agent00f]

It's not about holding other people down but about fear of being dragged down & transforming that into culture warrior attitudes. It's divide & conquer along the usual social fault lines of race & the contrived urban/rural divide.

Poor people & illegals aren't dragging us down. Greed at the top is pushing us down. I suspect we'll need some great economic disaster for people to see that, something that Trump & the Repubs will likely provide. Whether we'll see it or not is the real question. We didn't last time.

Remember what happened last time when the bankers exploited deregulation, lax oversight & all the hot money from high end tax cuts? Repubs will be sailing us right back into those same dangerous waters.

So these trumpsters are certainly predominantly rural, with below average education, yet make far more than average, all traits that match right up to substantial state subsidy one way or another. That's the robin hood money you also noted in the other thread.

Why, if I were in that advantageous situation, I'd be hella worried people lower on the social opportunity totem are going to start competing for that privileged position, too. Of course all credit to trump for hitting home the message that they gotta get theirs while the getting's good; you know, the redistribution that's been going their way before the welfare queens and indigenous looking mexicans get in on their action.

Step back for some perspective: if according to you the same republican message as always were effective, why the sudden mass 14% shift in non-college white vote (and all credit where it's due, corresponding 10% degree shift going the other way), a realign of proportions more akin to civil right era? Let's give trump some credit here for doing what no other republican even came close to doing.

 

[Moonbeam]

So these trumpsters are certainly predominantly rural, with below average education, yet make far more than average, all traits that match right up to substantial state subsidy one way or another. That's the robin hood money you also noted in the other thread.

Why, if I were in that advantageous situation, I'd be hella worried people lower on the social opportunity totem are going to start competing for that privileged position, too. Of course all credit to trump for hitting home the message that they gotta get theirs while the getting's good; you know, the redistribution that's been going their way before the welfare queens and indigenous looking mexicans get in on their action.

Step back for some perspective: if according to you the same republican message as always were effective, why the sudden mass 14% shift in non-college white vote (and all credit where it's due, corresponding 10% degree shift going the other way), a realign of proportions more akin to civil right era? Let's give trump some credit here for doing what no other republican even came close to doing.

He brought out the monster of the Id. and we are in for a stomping.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Of course i do, and i think that President Trump is going to do a far better job on those issues than Obama has for the last 8 years, or Bush for the 8 years previous to that. How in the world can you think that Obama did a good job on any of those things?

I'd like to know just how many and to what degree people believe that myth.

Obama couldn't do what he otherwise might have done because of an intransigent Congress determined to "make him a one term president." Then when he tried to use executive power generally acknowledged for a litany of prior presidencies, they attempted to stonewall that.

But here's an interesting fact -- not a myth. The entire block of states whose electoral votes went to Trump provide something less than 36% of US GDP.

 

[buckshot24]

But here's an interesting fact -- not a myth. The entire block of states whose electoral votes went to Trump provide something less than 36% of US GDP.

And you wonder why he won? The economy is leaving these parts of the country behind. And take your meds.

 

[Jhhnn]

And you wonder why he won? The economy is leaving these parts of the country behind. And take your meds.

Free market jerb creators having their way.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

And you wonder why he won? The economy is leaving these parts of the country behind. And take your meds.

That wasn't the point. The Blues are paying more in taxes than they get back, and the Red states get more than a dollar in fed money returned for every dollar they pay. If you want to find causes of outsourcing, you either look to Trump or more generally people like him. The only reason he hasn't grabbed Carly Fiorina's p___y is her revulsion for some things he said throughout the campaign.

I might take that further in a discussion as to how or why the Dems had a failed strategy in certain states where a few votes here or there would decide an electoral vote. I don't have a lot of time for this right now, and you're not likely to read it carefully.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Free market jerb creators having their way.

You had mentioned only the remote possibility that the Electoral College members could choose to flip despite their state's popular-vote outcome.

What are the risks and safeguards surrounding those people as individuals if they so choose to do that?

Someone should provoke Trump enough so that he actually shoots somebody on 5th avenue. You'd only hope the victim would survive without a head-injury or a permanent wheel-chair. And you'd rather they could be informed of their possible sacrifice to be given a choice beforehand, which is impossible.

Yes, I have Kaine's own briefly stated worries. You could wonder how Trump might provide a miraculous deluge of jobs in a hurry. If he keeps blundering as he has with Taiwan, there will be recruitment centers opening up all over the country.

 

[buckshot24]

That wasn't the point. The Blues are paying more in taxes than they get back, and the Red states get more than a dollar in fed money returned for every dollar they pay. If you want to find causes of outsourcing, you either look to Trump or more generally people like him. The only reason he hasn't grabbed Carly Fiorina's p___y is her revulsion for some things he said throughout the campaign.

I might take that further in a discussion as to how or why the Dems had a failed strategy in certain states where a few votes here or there would decide an electoral vote. I don't have a lot of time for this right now, and you're not likely to read it carefully.

Honestly I think you've completely lost the plot, I used to be able to read your posts and see reason and balance, those days are sadly gone.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I'd like to know just how many and to what degree people believe that myth.

Obama couldn't do what he otherwise might have done because of an intransigent Congress determined to "make him a one term president." Then when he tried to use executive power generally acknowledged for a litany of prior presidencies, they attempted to stonewall that.

But here's an interesting fact -- not a myth. The entire block of states whose electoral votes went to Trump provide something less than 36% of US GDP.

The fact is that Obama was a useless piece of garbage as President, that did almost nothing to actively help the country. Here's a ribbon to give to Hillary for winning the popular vote.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well there's one thing about Trump winning the presidency that I think will benefit the nation in the long run: The divisive ugliness he exploited during his campaign had the haters crawling out from under the stones they were hiding under in order to support their Enabler in Chief, and once again, take their "rightful place" as the champions and true representatives of the Caucasian demographic in the US.

Trump's campaign rhetoric gave the haters a nation-wide voice that they were without for quite a few years. They've given Trump's divisive rhetoric their seal of approval and have taken it as a sign that their voice has legitimacy and popular support once again.

That Trump has brought this out is good in the sense that it makes everyone else aware that this hatred is still with us, it still has a support base, and all it would take is a legitimate national leader like Trump to further fan the flames like he has and have it spread. So we now have another chance to tramp this hatred back down so that it's expansion won't hit critical mass and become what most of the nation thought would never rear its ugly head again.

Trump appealing to nativism, nationalism and "traditionalism" and exploiting those factors as tools to win him his presidency and to further his personal self-interested agenda is threatening the unity we share as fellow Americans and the security this unity provides. Our enemies see this weakness, this exploitable feature of our lack of common cause and its a sure bet that they're already taking advantage of it through Trump and his notorious weaknesses.

One could assume that Trump is the type of person who will overreact to any perceived threat as a way of compensating for his weaknesses and fear of failure, and I'm familiar with this condition observing this quite often in the workplace and in the military, especially among newly hired supervisory types that simply react reflexively in this way because of a lack of confidence and experience, two very important factors that Trump, IMO, is now exhibiting.

Those old hands in this game of worldwide power politics can easily see these weaknesses in Trump because Trump had already exposed himself and his habits all through his life in the public eye.

What frightens me is what I'm seeing in the people Trump is surrounding himself with via his cabinet selections. They are a manifestation of Trump's reflexive need to overreact and he's doing just that by placing over-reactive overly aggressive people in positions of great power.

He is further compressing an already severely compacted powder keg of tenuous relationships between world leaders.

I can't say what the end result of his actions are, other than to say that folks like him that had the opportunity to attain low level supervisory positions never made it into higher management on character alone. They needed to resort to other unsavory means to get ahead, and some of them, like Trump, got really really good at it.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Let's not pretend people who choose to parrot GOP agitprop were ever independent, no matter how much they lie about it for obvious reasons. Don't worry though, so many liberals love you guys enough to pay your way through life not matter how much you stab them in the back. LOL they're such suckers.

I'll be more than happy to prove I am a registered Independent; an Independent that voted for Obama...twice. An Independent that never voted for GWB. In fact, I have never, ever voted for a Republican for president, even Reagan. So you can take that nugget of information and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

btw, I do what I do in here because I absolutely detest the arrogant, smarmy, assholish, Internet liberals and lefties who seem to think they are so much smarter than everyone else. You guys aren't. You do nothing but make liberals and the left look like smug, idiotic morons. Therefore I will take every opportunity to piss on every one of you. Apparently people like you just love golden showers.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

You appear to not know how elections work. She lost because key areas didn't vote for her. You can speculate as to why but the fact is that those key areas chose trump over her. No other Democratic candidate (ie Bernie) would have overcame his appeal. Why? I don't know. You tell me why people find him appealing and then tell me why the reality doesn't match their perception. Then tell me how any candidate could overcome a competitor whose supporters saw whatever they wanted to see in him.

Don't ask yourself why Trump was so appealing, ask yourself why Hillary wasn't. In that domain you might find some answers.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I'll be more than happy to prove I am a registered Independent; an Independent that voted for Obama...twice. An Independent that never voted for GWB. In fact, I have never, ever voted for a Republican for president, even Reagan. So you can take that nugget of information and shove it where the sun doesn't shine.

btw, I do what I do in here because I absolutely detest the arrogant, smarmy, assholish, Internet liberals and lefties who seem to think they are so much smarter than everyone else. You guys aren't. You do nothing but make liberals and the left look like smug, idiotic morons. Therefore I will take every opportunity to piss on every one of you. Apparently people like you just love golden showers.

You really should see about addressing those anger issues. Very unhealthy.

 

[Jhhnn]

Don't ask yourself why Trump was so appealing, ask yourself why Hillary wasn't. In that domain you might find some answers.

You tell us.

 

[Victorian Gray]

You tell us.

She's the devil!

 

[buckshot24]

You'd rather believe a great candidate was beaten by Trump instead of a very flawed one? Ok, whatever.