Are we there yet? Anybody still in doubt that a Trump Presidency is a national disaster?

[Pens1566]

But what you are saying is that while it hasn't happened yet, you can clearly see it coming, I think.

Yeah. I won't consider it official until he takes the oath. Then I fully expect a shit show of proportions never seen in the office.

 

[buckshot24]

You have no point. Your non-point is a stinking deflection. You are a lying bastard master of self deception. You don't deserve to be an American. You are a disgrace to to democracy. There is no doubt at all that white bigoted Republicans demand ID form those who do not have it because is is difficult for many black people to get and by raising that barrier the intention is never to prevent voter fraud but to keep such people from voting. Voter ID to prevent voter fraud is nothing more that White Republicans racially disadvantaging people of color while pretending nobility. They are scum and you are too to defend it with your bull shit that liberals are racists for conserving the traditional way people have gone to the polls for decades. Your f ing desire to change the demands for identification are nothing but malicious and evil.

You're the one who thinks non-white people can't get ID, not me. Projection outrage is fully noted. You shouldn't say such horrible things about yourself.

 

[buckshot24]

Wow. The true Moonbeam steps out and shows who he really is.

He really does hate himself.

 

[buckshot24]

The courts ruled exactly that . Like literally word for word. You literally just wrote the court opinion. "Requiring ID disenfranchises non white people. Stop it. Signed The Courts". And again these are Republican federal courts in multiple states.

None if this matters to what I was saying. Moonie expressed a view I found racist and I called him on it. If anybody agrees with him then they agree with a racist view, whether they are a judge or my mother. I believe people are capable of getting an ID no matter what race or nationality they may be.

 

[MrSquished]

Here's something to ponder. Perhaps your news sources have been feeding you their usual bullshit and perhaps you have been lapping it up without thinking or, maybe you already know this. The Clinton Foundation is under investigation. There is some serious pay to play evidence. Look up the 990T documentation for the last year one was filed for the CF and notice how much went to charity (in one form or another) and how much went to operations and other facets of the operation less specific. The charity amount is in the single digits. Hmm, that is counter to the narrative that they are doing wonderful things with the money they got from the House of Saud among other sponsors of terrorism to cite just one modus operandi of their many contributors.

So the question is, if Hillary was about to ascend to the highest office in the land would you be as concerned about the pay to play allegations surrounding her as you would be about pay to play allegations surrounding Trump?

You don't understand how the Clinton Foundation works. They don't just raise money and distribute it - they actually create programs in house and run these charitable programs for various causes. Just giving grants is a small percentage of expenditures. Most of their money goes to the operational costs of keeping those programs going. So by just looking at that 'grant' dollar number percentage, as Carly Florida did during the primaries, you are being uninformed or dishonest.

As per the ratings of major charity watchdog groups the CF gets very high ratings. They get rated as spending generally around 84-89% of their total income towards charitable causes and operations.

 

[Jhhnn]

None if this matters to what I was saying. Moonie expressed a view I found racist and I called him on it. If anybody agrees with him then they agree with a racist view, whether they are a judge or my mother. I believe people are capable of getting an ID no matter what race or nationality they may be.

So what? Why do they need a particular form of ID to vote when you can't demonstrate a need to require it?

Voter fraud is bullshit. As we saw with the NC court case, Repubs have done their homework. They know who they're targeting, make no mistake about it. It shows a shameful lack of respect for common decency & the rest of America. It dishonors the very idea of a govt of the people.

 

[Jhhnn]

You don't understand how the Clinton Foundation works.

He doesn't want to understand. We've been through this more than once & he just reverts to what he believed before we started. You can't get past the defensive field of the shitty attitude.

 

[buckshot24]

So what? Why do they need a particular form of ID to vote when you can't demonstrate a need to require it?

Voter fraud is bullshit. As we saw with the NC court case, Repubs have done their homework. They know who they're targeting, make no mistake about it. It shows a shameful lack of respect for common decency & the rest of America. It dishonors the very idea of a govt of the people.

All I was saying is non-white people can get a valid form of ID, to assume otherwise is racist.

 

[buckshot24]

He doesn't want to understand. We've been through this more than once & he just reverts to what he believed before we started. You can't get past the defensive field of the shitty attitude.

I saw a report that donations are now down 90%, did you hear that? If true, what could have caused a drop like that?

 

[Victorian Gray]

Amazing! Look at that! It took him 4 years to win the Presidency once he saw how to do it. The guy is a genius.

He's the president that you deserve.

 

[Jhhnn]

I saw a report that donations are now down 90%, did you hear that? If true, what could have caused a drop like that?

Linky-linky or it's just stinky....

 

[Jhhnn]

All I was saying is non-white people can get a valid form of ID, to assume otherwise is racist.

Such a coy & innocent thing.

 

[buckshot24]

Linky-linky or it's just stinky....

I just saw a headline stating as such so I'm not saying it is true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N4sXz6GYBI

Turns out it is Norway is apparently reducing their donations from a peak last year of 174 million kroner to 35.9 million this year and further down to 23 million next year.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/20/n...ion-to-fall-nearly-90-off-peak/#ixzz4Qf4zaMCA

So yeah, it isn't an across the board reduction.

 

[buckshot24]

Such a coy & innocent thing.

If you got off of the grassy knoll and read what I actually write and respond to that we could probably avoid most of these dust ups.

 

[werepossum]

I'd like to thank the owners of Anandtech for providing a safe space where abysmally stupid people can display their unique ability to see the future. In a herd, of course.

 

[agent00f]

agent00f: There's a bias, ie empathy, in everyone to think others are like us. In fact we're often naturally disturbed by people not like us.

M: Back in 1999 I was the only person on this forum emphasizing that fact. You say things that are true and yet you do not know why they are true, you don't see these facts lie on deeper principles, you lack an understanding of motivation as almost the whole world does, the truth is terribly painful for anybody with an ego to bear.

a: I think your observations are decent up to this point, but let's put in the context of said empathy. If a person measures himself through skill at figuring things out and getting them right, he will naturally assume someone else is trying to do the same thing, and their failure at it is a reflection of lack of skill acquisition, or iow "stupidity"

M: Lets put it in the proper context. If a person has a fabricated false image of himself that protects him or her from seeing themselves as the really are because they have been made to feel that who they really are is worthless he or she is going to be intentionally 'stupid' about anything that points to that truth.

As noted I find psychoanalysis rather unconvincing given that similar anthropomorphic motivations can be easily ascribed to animals without much in the way of images of themselves. Why does the human act out due to feelings of worthlessness and family dog doesn't?

a: That assumption is the basis of what you're calling "brain defect", and this is where you'll need to ponder further: this is also at the root of that defect conservatives have. To wit, when a conservative reads breitbart and posts that garbage, he thinks that's the same thing as liberals, posting from their liberal media.

M: Every clown suckered by Breitbart is suckered by them because he or she wants to be suckered, has an unconscious emotional need to maintain the ego which buffers against the pain of one's real feelings.

No, they lie because lying to further a cause can be effective. What is psychoanalytical explanation for evolution, given this is that sort of advantage?

But conservatives have a larger pallet of moral values they cater to including a respect for authority, a need for purity group identity.

They just have a different stake rank of values with loyalty & likely self-interest far above honesty.

a: You're largely right/astute that for whatever reason different people do seem to think about the world differently, but their communication flaws in this case both manifest because they each assume the other is just like them.

M: Again, you are telling me what I already know minus what I know also, the reasons behind this.

a: Do you similarly psychoanalyze animals whom you've seen kill when it's in their self interest? Is the cat that's loyal to you but hunts smaller animals for food good or bad?

M: Good and evil do not exist. They are mental constructs that have no actual reality in the world. They are created by thought based on language which can be used to make people feel evil by putting them down. Only those so self divided are capable of evil because they become what they feel. No animal is evil because no other animal but man can hate itself.

Good and evil are certainly mental constructs like any other abstract concept. As useful tools mental concept can certainly be used to motivate behavior. However they can also be used to be descriptive.

For example, if we can say a man kills many others out of self-interest because he's evil, we can also say the same of an animal with similar motivations for similar deeds.

a: Think carefully about how these word are being used. I just said they seem to lack virtues like intellectual honesty, deference, or learned empathy for others not exactly like them. When people of that nature act in their self-interest, civilization is poorer for it, just as life was before those virtues were widespread.

M: You think all you want. Wisdom comes from feeling not thinking. What you say here is true but where you go with it is not. You can't blame conservatives for the fact they believe in evil. All of humanity is divided against the self in that way. Only love can unify the self.

Wisdom comes from realizing something you once did not. Of course sometimes human feelings are a useful measure for coming to some realization, but it's hardly the only one in the toolbox. This is particularly the case if we're to communicate these realizations to anyone, including ourselves, in which case we need language with its abstract concepts like evil. Just because some use these concepts incorrectly doesn't mean the tool is broken.

Consider for example this wisdom: someone who finds love soothing is motivated to praise its healing power to all who would listen. Of course love can be useful, just like many other virtues, but the world is complex enough that a different stack rank of them apply to different situations and goals. Eg. loyalty and deference to authority is useful when accomplishing some goal which requires teamwork, more so than love per se.

a: Many children before learn these and other virtues are often cruel and destructive. Sometime their behavior is best modified by kindness/carrots, and if that doesn't work then more strict means. I mean, you've already more or less admitted they're not the sort to learn things through intellectual methods, so explaining right or wrong to them certainly isn't going to work, per you own understanding of defects above.

M: It is very simple, really. When ones personal insanity harms others one has to be stopped by whatever means necessary.

Seems the case with those dedicated to building a fascist ethnocentric america to their own benefit. Also worth noting love hardly stops armies of bloodthirsty men any more than it does a pack of hungry hyenas.

 

[Moonbeam]

All I was saying is non-white people can get a valid form of ID, to assume otherwise is racist.

Non-Whites can get a valid form of ID, sometimes at considerable difficulty, To assume that being forced to get an ID that was not required in the past is always asked for by racists. It is not racist to want to help non-Whites avoid those difficulties, in fact it is Constitutionally demanded. That is why the racist party is losing all these voter ID cases. You can fool yourself into not thinking you're not a racist pig but you can't fool the courts or me.

And remember, all I am saying is that it is an unnecessary burden to ask non-Whites or Whites for an ID they need to take trouble to acquire when it isn't necessary or needed. Only a racist pig would focus on the fact that because ID can be gotten it is still for many a pain in the ass they don't have the resources to commit and wouldn't have to if it weren't for brain dead assholes like yourself trying to keep them from voting.

And don't worry, I know your capacity to honestly face yourself was destroyed by being made to feel shame in childhood. It's not your fault but it IS how you are.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'd like to thank the owners of Anandtech for providing a safe space where abysmally stupid people can display their unique ability to see the future. In a herd, of course.

You mean, you're not there yet? What's the hold up? 99.4% of every practicing dentist knows that Trump is every American's secret desire for mass extinction. What's to worry about, you got your anti-Christ. It's going to be a huge extinction. Trump conquered the world by becoming President, now he's going to conquer death. And we are along for the ride. What, me worrry,,,,,,, Not a chance. It's team Trump that will find themselves in Hell.

 

[Rudee]

Certainly not for comedians and writers for late-night talk shows/satires. It's like hitting the lottery. The jokes practically write themselves.

 

[agent00f]

You mean, you're not there yet? What's the hold up? 99.4% of every practicing dentist knows that Trump is every American's secret desire for mass extinction. What's to worry about, you got your anti-Christ. It's going to be a huge extinction. Trump conquered the world by becoming President, now he's going to conquer death. And we are along for the ride. What, me worrry,,,,,,, Not a chance. It's team Trump that will find themselves in Hell.

Werepossum knows he's not terribly smart from having been informed of this by all the educators in his life, so it feels extra good when a movement tells them they're the real brain trust.

Civilization worked well when it was the fact/reality-based smarties leading the brut force squad; not so much when the latter start to believe it's a good idea to "think" for themselves.

 

[jackstar7]

Certainly not for comedians and writers for late-night talk shows/satires. It's like hitting the lottery. The jokes practically write themselves.

To those I have heard from, they are not happy about this at all. They would have managed fine with Hillary.

 

[buckshot24]

Non-Whites can get a valid form of ID, sometimes at considerable difficulty, To assume that being forced to get an ID that was not required in the past is always asked for by racists. It is not racist to want to help non-Whites avoid those difficulties, in fact it is Constitutionally demanded. That is why the racist party is losing all these voter ID cases. You can fool yourself into not thinking you're not a racist pig but you can't fool the courts or me.

And remember, all I am saying is that it is an unnecessary burden to ask non-Whites or Whites for an ID they need to take trouble to acquire when it isn't necessary or needed. Only a racist pig would focus on the fact that because ID can be gotten it is still for many a pain in the ass they don't have the resources to commit and wouldn't have to if it weren't for brain dead assholes like yourself trying to keep them from voting.

And don't worry, I know your capacity to honestly face yourself was destroyed by being made to feel shame in childhood. It's not your fault but it IS how you are.

When projection occurs lots of words are used to try and justify to oneself that it isn't occurring. You really shouldn't hate yourself like this. Very sad.

 

[agent00f]

When projection occurs lots of words are used to try and justify to oneself that it isn't occurring. You really shouldn't hate yourself like this. Very sad.

Keep in mind that buckshot claims to worship jesus while supporting trump. Honesty has no value to these people.

 

[Jhhnn]

Keep in mind that buckshot claims to worship jesus while supporting trump. Honesty has no value to these people.

Trump *is* Jesus, with a twist. He wouldn't sacrifice himself for humanity but rather the other way around.

 

[Moonbeam]

When projection occurs lots of words are used to try and justify to oneself that it isn't occurring. You really shouldn't hate yourself like this. Very sad.

Or in your case just a few words.

Are we there yet. The ad at the bottom of this very page says Seniors Outraged What could a Trump do to your Retirement? ................

The fucking disaster has even spread to the ads. The truth is closing in around us. Feeling like lashing out yet. It's just not fair. You lunatics deserved to be able to gloat for years and it's already time to play defense against the disaster. Aren't you lucky I'm not given to gloating too. All I feel is pity for you, stuck in the Hell of your delusions and all. Really sad and pathetic.