Question are video card prices headed down yet?

[Aikouka]

-I managed to get the card to a place of relative stability (latest mobo BIOS, turning off RC6 render standby in BIOS, locking board to PCI-E 3.0 instead of auto, disabling Link state power management in windows, DDU the NV drivers, activate Hardware Acceleration in Windows), but if I keep encountering these issues on my fresh build (which will have a clean windows install) then I'll look into your solution as well along with *puts on Karen haircut* demanding a refund!

However, I'd much prefer the card just remain stable.

I don’t recall seeing you mention the vBIOS. Have you checked for an update for it?

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I don’t recall seeing you mention the vBIOS. Have you checked for an update for it?

- That is an absolute last resort. Looks like MSI provides Vbios updates through some sort of "Live Update Software".

I might grab that and check the card's bios, but part of me is terrified that if this is a tool that updates the vbios in windows... and windows is having stability issues... jeez I don't even want to think about it.

I'll leave this as a sort of final solution if the card is still taking weird dumps when I'm fully upgraded to my 5800x3D and B550 board (in the mail).

Should have another solid update for you guys by this weekend.

 

[Aikouka]

- That is an absolute last resort. Looks like MSI provides Vbios updates through some sort of "Live Update Software".

I might grab that and check the card's bios, but part of me is terrified that if this is a tool that updates the vbios in windows... and windows is having stability issues... jeez I don't even want to think about it.

I'll leave this as a sort of final solution if the card is still taking weird dumps when I'm fully upgraded to my 5800x3D and B550 board (in the mail).

Should have another solid update for you guys by this weekend.

Since you're running an Intel CPU, what about switching to integrated graphics while updating the GPU? You could always try that for a bit too to see if it has no issues. (Not sure if the device simply existing -- even as a secondary display adapter -- would cause a problem with drivers, etc.)

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Since you're running an Intel CPU, what about switching to integrated graphics while updating the GPU? You could always try that for a bit too to see if it has no issues. (Not sure if the device simply existing -- even as a secondary display adapter -- would cause a problem with drivers, etc.)

- That is a fascinating proposition. I haven't given my latest changes time to percolate. If the system looks stable after tonight, I won't leave well enough alone and just push forward with the vbios update. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Someone had asked earlier about a manufacture date as well, I'll check that out and see if my Ventus is the OG launch stock or something that came later when I'm sure many of these issues were hammered out.

 

[jpiniero]

Newegg had a 6900 XT for $639. Didn't last long at that price though.

 

[alexruiz]

I don’t recall seeing you mention the vBIOS. Have you checked for an update for it?

You might be the one that got it!
Miners very often flash custom vBIOS to the gpus.
It is possible the vBIOS is not the stock one.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

- That is a fascinating proposition. I haven't given my latest changes time to percolate. If the system looks stable after tonight, I won't leave well enough alone and just push forward with the vbios update. In for a penny, in for a pound.

Someone had asked earlier about a manufacture date as well, I'll check that out and see if my Ventus is the OG launch stock or something that came later when I'm sure many of these issues were hammered out.

- Ok, card is actually relatively new. SN Manufacture date is 2106, which means either 6th week of 2021 or June 2021. Its an LHR model as well (plenty of details left off by the seller, wasn't listed as an OC card and wasn't listed as LHR either).

VBIOS utility says the VBIOS is also the most current version available for the card, so no such luck there.

Stability randomly got a lot worse today, to the point where I just pulled the card from my system and put the old 980Ti back in. Everything is humming along smoothly again.

B550 is at the PO, will pick it up together and assemble the 5800x3D portion of the rig with my 980Ti just to make sure we don't have any issues getting that up and running (and to make sure the 5800x3D is behaving itself as well). Once that's established, then I'll try again on the 3080 and cross my fingers and hope it behaves.

 

[jpiniero]

Will say that I am getting a lot less "optimistic" that the Fed will "achieve it's goals" in time for the money printer to be turned on by EOY. OTOH TSMC wants more price hikes and I'm assuming that AMD and nVidia will be affected.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Will say that I am getting a lot less "optimistic" that the Fed will "achieve it's goals" in time for the money printer to be turned on by EOY. OTOH TSMC wants more price hikes and I'm assuming that AMD and nVidia will be affected.

TSMC has a near-monopoly on cutting edge wafers right now. Not to be too dismissive of Samsung, but 3GAE is currently their best, and they're not keeping up. We should expect TSMC to price accordingly.

 

[mastertech01]

Nvidia down another 5 percent today on the stock exchange

 

[jpiniero]

Nvidia down another 5 percent today on the stock exchange

AMD is down 7%. No money printer.

 

[mastertech01]

AMD is down 7%. No money printer.

If they keep going down might they dump inventory to stabilize?

 

[jpiniero]

If they keep going down might they dump inventory to stabilize?

Stocks are going down in general because of pessimism over the money printer's return. There's nothing to do other than let it go.

 

[VirtualLarry]

"Not selling my GPUs." "HODL the hardware."

 

[mastertech01]

"Not selling my GPUs." "HODL the hardware."

Believe this..... YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE YOUR A@@ SITTING ON THEM

 

[jpiniero]

Is there any reason to think that the 4090 or RDNA 3 will be meaningfully better in mining?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Believe this..... YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE YOUR A@@ SITTING ON THEM

Sitting on them does look like it could be painful...

...and that's before getting into the economic (back)side of things.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

 

[Heartbreaker]

"Not selling my GPUs." "HODL the hardware."

So still in Denial stage.

All his reasons boil down to one reason: He thinks GPU mining is just going to come roaring back.

This mining bust is NOTHING like the previous ones. He's still living in the past.

Bitcoin remains in the crosshairs because it's still a massive power waster.

Ethereum going PoS makes it much harder for another PoW coin to take off.

Wasting power on PoW busywork is getting less acceptable every day, for environmental reasons.

On top of that, any time profitability returns to any coins, all the remaining shut down farms will come back online, and drive out the profit again.

There is only going to be profit again, when lots of Miners sell off their farms.

 

[VirtualLarry]

So still in Denial stage.

All his reasons boil down to one reason: He thinks GPU mining is just going to come roaring back.

This mining bust is NOTHING like the previous ones. He's still living in the past.

That thought did cross my mind watching that. I guess, it all depends on whether you believe that we're just on a low point on the "Bitcoin Cycle", or in something more serious, what with Etherium PoS and the Money Printer.

And speaking, not of Crypto but of stocks, historically, even when there's a steep drop / bear market, it's always ended up recovering and going higher.

So with that in mind, maybe that YT'ers not wrong.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Believe this..... YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE YOUR A@@ SITTING ON THEM

GPUs as therapeutic weight-loss tools? Who knew?

 

[Heartbreaker]

That thought did cross my mind watching that. I guess, it all depends on whether you believe that we're just on a low point on the "Bitcoin Cycle", or in something more serious, what with Etherium PoS and the Money Printer.

And speaking, not of Crypto but of stocks, historically, even when there's a steep drop / bear market, it's always ended up recovering and going higher.

So with that in mind, maybe that YT'ers not wrong.

This has nothing to do with the Market or Even bitcoin coming back up. They most likely will.

But that won't make coin mining profitable again, unless a large amount of GPUs permanently leave the mining game.

I said this would happen before the merge and people some didn't get it. Ethereum's was an order of magnitude larger than other minable coins.

When Ethereum merged, all that mining capacity killed all the other coins profit.

Since Ethereum is gone, the biggest market cap GPU minable coin is Dogecoin which is basically a freaking joke.

The two biggest coins below Bitcoin and Ethereum are PoS.

PoW is out of favor, there is nothing rushing in to take Ethereums place.

As long as most of that excess Ethereum mining power sits waiting for profitability, there will be no profitability. Since as soon as anything is profitable, that capacity goes to work on it, and wrecks it.

It's going to take a LOT of miners finally cluing in a bailing out before the remainder can start to eek out profits again, and those profits are likely going to be lower because there is a LOT of excess capacity to work through.

 

[igor_kavinski]

GPUs as therapeutic weight-loss tools? Who knew?

Nothing therapeutic about A@@ toasted with GPU heat

 

[VirtualLarry]

It's going to take a LOT of miners finally cluing in a bailing out before the remainder can start to eek out profits again, and those profits are likely going to be lower because there is a LOT of excess capacity to work through.

Or be like me, not selling my GTX 1660-family and Navi10-based cards because prices are in the dumps, and I need the heat for Winter...

 

[Heartbreaker]

Or be like me, not selling my GTX 1660-family and Navi10-based cards because prices are in the dumps, and I need the heat for Winter...

A small $20 portable space heater will generate more heat, and you can invest the difference.

 

[Harry_Wild]

Tongue and cheeks Intel graphics card analysis above, saying Intel is going to be bringing the cost down on graphics cards!🫣👊