Question are video card prices headed down yet?

[GodisanAtheist]

9070XT is a solidly a side-grade from the 3090Ti. If you highly value NV features, a 10% improvement in performance is not nearly enough to offset the lack of DLSS etc. and could reasonably be construed as a downgrade.

FSR4 while good is not nearly as broadly adopted as DLSS.

 

[dlerious]

9070XT is a solidly a side-grade from the 3090Ti. If you highly value NV features, a 10% improvement in performance is not nearly enough to offset the lack of DLSS etc. and could reasonably be construed as a downgrade.

FSR4 while good is not nearly as broadly adopted as DLSS.

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Does cost factor in? I considered the 2080 a side grade from my 1080Ti at the same MSRP, but I probably would've bought it at 1/3 the cost.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Does cost factor in? I considered the 2080 a side grade from my 1080Ti at the same MSRP, but I probably would've bought it at 1/3 the cost.

- I'd say no? For one thing the 2080 had features that the 1080Ti couldn't replicate so there was definitely a value add X factor in that specific scenario.

But generally "Grading" is purely from a performance standpoint since the money/time element is considered "earned" when the new card is purchased.

If you got a 3090Ti for $2500 back in 2021 you got to enjoy this tier of performance for 4 years before the $600 9070XT performance level was available.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

9070XT is a solidly a side-grade from the 3090Ti. If you highly value NV features, a 10% improvement in performance is not nearly enough to offset the lack of DLSS etc. and could reasonably be construed as a downgrade.

Again; that chart is fake news for old vs new. It has the ARC A380 as 20% slower than a GTX 780 tie. A380 has current driver support, full DX12 support, hardware ray tracing and upscaling, twice the vram, much better media encode/decode. Yet an old card with 3GB of vram and DX12( 11_1) features is supposed to be 20% i.e. a whole tier faster. It's laughable really.

Though the 30 series isn't nearly as old for doing a compare and contrast, driver optimizations for it are starting to fade. Which is simply pattern recognition of how Nvidia does drivers over the years. I read complaints on reddit subs (not the Nvidia sub though, they delete the posts according to the affected owners) with owners showing how they have to use older drivers or else certain titles they play are up to 20% slower than with the newest ones.

Hardware Lab and Iceberg tech did a good video debunking relative performance a couple years back. As the years go by, you can see the 290X starts to spank the 780 tie. Assetto Corsa is almost double the performance. Yet they are next to each other on the TPU chart. The GTX fails to even render games like shadow of the tomb raider and red dead 2 correctly.

Spoiler

FSR4 while good is not nearly as broadly adopted as DLSS.

Toggle FSR4 on in the app, and most games with 3.1 will use it. It can be injected with some games that have DLSS using Optiscaler. But is no bueno for anti-cheat or Vulcan.

 

[Shmee]

If you wanted a (slightly) bigger upgrade from AMD, you could have gone with a good 7900XTX, and not have to downgrade on memory size. That said, it is still not that huge an upgrade, and the 9070XT does have some features that RDNA3 currently lacks. Trade offs IMO, so if you want a BIG upgrade, best to wait for next gen as mentioned.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Again; that chart is fake news for old vs new. It has the ARC A380 as 20% slower than a GTX 780 tie. A380 has current driver support, full DX12 support, hardware ray tracing and upscaling, twice the vram, much better media encode/decode. Yet an old card with 3GB of vram and DX12( 11_1) features is supposed to be 20% i.e. a whole tier faster. It's laughable really.

Though the 30 series isn't nearly as old for doing a compare and contrast, driver optimizations for it are starting to fade. Which is simply pattern recognition of how Nvidia does drivers over the years. I read complaints on reddit subs (not the Nvidia sub though, they delete the posts according to the affected owners) with owners showing how they have to use older drivers or else certain titles they play are up to 20% slower than with the newest ones.

Hardware Lab and Iceberg tech did a good video debunking relative performance a couple years back. As the years go by, you can see the 290X starts to spank the 780 tie. Assetto Corsa is almost double the performance. Yet they are next to each other on the TPU chart. The GTX fails to even render games like shadow of the tomb raider and red dead 2 correctly.

Spoiler

Toggle FSR4 on in the app, and most games with 3.1 will use it. It can be injected with some games that have DLSS using Optiscaler. But is no bueno for anti-cheat or Vulcan.

-That's all well and good, but the point ultimately is that I would never suggest someone with a 3090ti upgrade to a 9070xt. The upgrade is simply not going to feel multi-generational across all games the way going to a 3090ti from a 1080ti might feel.

 

[gdansk]

you got a 3090Ti for $2500 back in 2021

If you check the dates, it's spring 2022 as I recall.

But still I think 3 years later for better performance, 1/3rd the cost, and less power draw is OK. Not great but it's progress (that Nvidia has also made).

And I would say the 5070 Ti and RX 9070 XT at MSRP (seemingly prices have fallen to where they should be) are the best "value" parts since the RTX 3080.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That's all well and good

It's also the straight dope. The sooner people stop throwing that fake news chart around, the better. Especially tech tubers like Daniel-san. He is among the worst offenders. He can test whatever hardware he wants to base his content around, it's just lazy and doing his audience a disservice.

And I would say the 5070 Ti and RX 9070 XT at MSRP (seemingly prices have fallen to where they should be) are the best "value" parts since the RTX 3080.

That's a good analogy IMO.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

And I would say the 5070 Ti and RX 9070 XT at MSRP (seemingly prices have fallen to where they should be) are the best "value" parts since the RTX 3080.

-Yeah and don't get one looking for a huge performance bump if you already have a 3090ti...

 

[gdansk]

-Yeah and don't get one looking for a huge performance bump if you already have a 3090ti...

Compared to a similarly priced GA102 chip it is quite an upgrade.
But if you have a 3090 Ti neither AMD nor Nvidia have anything at 1/3rd the price that's much an upgrade.

It's a weird comparison because there is only one part available that's an actual significant upgrade. AMD is not making a 5090 competitor, they can't justify making chips no one will buy if they're that big. But they have had parts available that are generally faster than the 3090 Ti since December, 2022 mere months after its release. And the price of that level of performance continues to fall.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Compared to a similarly priced GA102 chip it is quite an upgrade.
But if you have a 3090 Ti neither AMD nor Nvidia have anything at 1/3rd the price that's much an upgrade.
It's a weird comparison because there is only one part available that's an actual significant upgrade. AMD is not making a 5090 competitor, they can't justify making chips that big. But they have had parts available that are generally faster than the 3090 Ti since December, 2022 mere months after its release...

-If you have a 3090 TI from 2022 then you're not in the market for a $600-$750 part... the 5090 is your upgrade path and you've demonstrated that you are willing to drop $2000+ on a card.

This was all kicked off thanks to @Stg-Flame saying his 9070xt feels like a downgrade from a 3090ti.

 

[gdansk]

-If you have a 3090 TI from 2022 then you're not in the market for a $600-$750 part... the 5090 is your upgrade path and you've demonstrated that you are willing to drop $2000+ on a card.

This was all kicked off thanks to @Stg-Flame saying his 9070xt feels like a downgrade from a 3090ti.

No, he asked why AMD doesn't have a 5090 competitor. That's a fair question but should be obvious from requisite die size and market share... That is never making a return on investment.

The other part was that the 9070 XT looks like a downgrade compared to his 3090 Ti. That is false. 9070 XT is better for games and cheaper. It isn't an upgrade but AMD has made competitive parts. And they had the 7900 XTX 8 months after the 3090 Ti. It didn't even take them long at all.

More over he said he didn't want to spend 5090 money. No one - AMD or Nvidia - has a significant upgrade over the 3090 Ti available at less than 5090 money.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The other part was that the 9070 XT looks like a downgrade compared to his 3090 Ti. It is not, except in memory. And they did this at a much lower cost.

-And features, but it's a side grade from a performance perspective and it doesn't make sense to go from a 3090ti to a 9070xt or 5070ti.

Only makes sense if you can somehow sell your 3090ti for more money than the newer parts cost, which is feasible with how people value used NV parts.

 

[gdansk]

-Rignt, it's a side grade and it doesn't make sense to go from a 3090ti to a 9070xt or 5070ti.

Only makes sense if you can somehow sell your 3090ti for more money than the newer parts cost, which is feasible with how people value used NV parts.

The only significant upgrade from a 3090 Ti is the 5090 and it costs 5090 money. AMD isn't alone here. There is no logical upgrade from anyone if you are not willing to spend 5090 money.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The only significant upgrade from a 3090 Ti is the 5090 and it costs 5090 money. AMD isn't alone here. There is no logical upgrade from anyone if you are not willing to spend 5090 money.

-Agreed.

3090ti was 5090 money back in 2022, so it makes sense that the 5090 is the only major upgrade path available.

What are we even discussing anymore?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Hopefully we are done doing the 5 Ds (dodge, duck, dip, dive, dodge) over dispensing shopping advice, or doing GPU comparisons, based on supremely nerfed clickbait relative performance charts. If not?

Sparkle B570 Guardian is $200 on Amazon. Damned good price on a BNIB 10GB card for a new budget build in late 2025. Or at minimum gen 4 with a strong 6+ core CPU. Based on my experiences; anything older or slower I'd skip ARC all together for gaming. https://www.amazon.com/Sparkle-Guardian-Breathing-Backplate-SB570G-10GOC/dp/B0DR337DJG?th=1

Prices have fallen on multiple SKUs from all 3 vendors lately. But it never lasts. Which has been the answer to this thread that won't die, for a few years now. it's become the forum chronical of GPU pricing, since the time of the great derp.

 

[marees]

9060xt 16gb at msrp now

https://www.newegg.com/powercolor-r...e-fans/p/N82E16814131880?item=N82E16814131880

 

[marees]

Buy whatever you can... whatever is available...

HardwareRumor

AMD & NVIDIA Could Kill Off Budget GPUs as Memory Shortages Drive Costs Up, Leaving Entry-Level Gamers With Little Options​

Muhammad ZuhairNov 18, 2025 at 11:50am EST

AMD/NVIDIA Could Halt Budget GPU Production As Memory Shortages Force Them to Reallocate Capacity​

It appears that DRAM shortages are going to affect gamers on a much larger scale than just being confined to RAM supply, as according to a report by the Korean media outlet Hankyung, it is rumored that AMD and NVIDIA are looking to "discontinue" budget-oriented GPUs, since their BOM (Bill of Materials) has risen dramatically with higher GDDR module prices. The report doesn't specifically mention which SKUs could be affected by this move

AMD & NVIDIA Might Kill Off Budget GPUs Soon, And Gamers Won’t Like the Reason

This isn't good news for PC gamers at all, as a new report suggests that GPU manufacturers may halt production of budget GPUs.

wccftech.com

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-50-super-refresh-faces-uncertainty-amid-reports-of-3gb-gddr7-memory-shortage

Hope none of you were waiting on those

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Buy whatever you can... whatever is available...

HardwareRumor

AMD & NVIDIA Could Kill Off Budget GPUs as Memory Shortages Drive Costs Up, Leaving Entry-Level Gamers With Little Options​

Muhammad ZuhairNov 18, 2025 at 11:50am EST

AMD/NVIDIA Could Halt Budget GPU Production As Memory Shortages Force Them to Reallocate Capacity​

It appears that DRAM shortages are going to affect gamers on a much larger scale than just being confined to RAM supply, as according to a report by the Korean media outlet Hankyung, it is rumored that AMD and NVIDIA are looking to "discontinue" budget-oriented GPUs, since their BOM (Bill of Materials) has risen dramatically with higher GDDR module prices. The report doesn't specifically mention which SKUs could be affected by this move

AMD & NVIDIA Might Kill Off Budget GPUs Soon, And Gamers Won’t Like the Reason

This isn't good news for PC gamers at all, as a new report suggests that GPU manufacturers may halt production of budget GPUs.

wccftech.com

- I'm so, so tired boss...

 

[CP5670]

Which means prices will shoot up further next year. I would buy any gpu in the next month or so if you want one.

 

[jpiniero]

Maybe people will stop complaining about 8 GB cards if there are none.

 

[AnitaPeterson]

- I'm so, so tired boss...

Could it also be a perfect rumour, strategically launched just before Black Friday, aiming to encourage FOMO and panic buying?

We'll see.

 

[Ranulf]

So help me.. I'm debating buying a 9060 16gb or even a 9070.

 

[SolidQ]

So help me.. I'm debating buying a 9060 16gb or even a 9070.

Was in same situation, so decided to get RX 9070 before new year. Who know what happens in 2027, RDNA5/Rubin prices/memory.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Maybe people will stop complaining about 8 GB cards if there are none.

Not the cards, the prices. Current pricing will seem down right reasonable with the direction things are heading.

So help me.. I'm debating buying a 9060 16gb or even a 9070.

If the dark times return yet again, you might end up getting back all of your money or even more than you paid, for your present GPU, by selling it next year. Helping defray or cover the cost of a new 90 series card. Next week could be the best prices we will see for a long while. DDR pricing is the first domino?