[Does Windows boot faster? Never noticed that, though a few of the rigs I'm talking about have had fast SCSI drives, that sure helps.
Apps load faster? Sure with those fast SCSI drives they will, not because of two CPU's.
Etc etc.]
Yes, and yes, actually. I don't have any SCSI drives, and both the OS and applications load faster, as you would expect with two processors chewing through threads.
[Oh and one common misunderstanding seems to be that just because an application has several threads open, it will benefit from SMP]
Explain this please. If more than one thread has work to do at the same time, then the app will benefit from multiple processors. If an app is simply using a thread to idle and poll a resource or something, then you're right, it won't benefit. However, only an idiot would create a multi-threaded app just for that purpose in Windows. You have too many other, simple options for occasional wake-up tasks.
Apps load faster? Sure with those fast SCSI drives they will, not because of two CPU's.
Etc etc.]
Yes, and yes, actually. I don't have any SCSI drives, and both the OS and applications load faster, as you would expect with two processors chewing through threads.
[Oh and one common misunderstanding seems to be that just because an application has several threads open, it will benefit from SMP]
Explain this please. If more than one thread has work to do at the same time, then the app will benefit from multiple processors. If an app is simply using a thread to idle and poll a resource or something, then you're right, it won't benefit. However, only an idiot would create a multi-threaded app just for that purpose in Windows. You have too many other, simple options for occasional wake-up tasks.
[threading in Windows takes no more 1% of Atlon 1600,
thus newere visible by users - except on server - superthreaded (millions for a day) apps]
Dude, I think you need to do some homework. What do you mean "threading in Windows takes no more than 1% of Atlon 1600"? I'm a system programmer, and you're just talking crap now.
thus newere visible by users - except on server - superthreaded (millions for a day) apps]
Dude, I think you need to do some homework. What do you mean "threading in Windows takes no more than 1% of Atlon 1600"? I'm a system programmer, and you're just talking crap now.
Markbnj
I also system programmer,
cerfied by Microsoft for C++ distrubute applications,
passed with very big margin.
But i will not discuss this in the forum as I understend,
no argumens I can provide in words...
You are against AMD creators. Congratulations.
________________________________
People just are playing, so no need to present something
more serious for such a persons.
________________________________
Is it possible to insert pictures at forum?
Why not ?
_______________________________
According boot wiz - main time is taken by drivers installation - which depends
from time of resond of devices.
Second main time- reading many programs.
NO CPU intensive task that perform main work, - under official Microsoft
tracing boot program there are.
_______________
I think there are some people that only see selves and need of considering agrues of other. it is sometimes happens, for the sad.
=======================
Bigsm00th
I explain english:
"your often encoding job looks reasonble for x2..." -means =
1)your often encoding job - instead of your job you are encoding,
and explanations are really encoding this process to correct and resonable form,
it is always resonable.
2) your often encoding - this job it is always resonable.
all - especially for x2.
all is ok. ?what a problem ? think better for evidencies.
In other cases I can type fast, soe some miswrite is possible due to need for speed. --Sorry than. Also bad spies bites me sometimes.
_________________________
I think about one more general bad practice:
quoting in every post - in sign, full yuor PC configuration makes rash in forum.
As this show your one of the main thout about life - it also show primitive orientation,
due to not understand this, and really jammed person not on live problems and many interesting deals, but on CPUs.
I also system programmer,
cerfied by Microsoft for C++ distrubute applications,
passed with very big margin.
But i will not discuss this in the forum as I understend,
no argumens I can provide in words...
You are against AMD creators. Congratulations.
________________________________
People just are playing, so no need to present something
more serious for such a persons.
________________________________
Is it possible to insert pictures at forum?
Why not ?
_______________________________
According boot wiz - main time is taken by drivers installation - which depends
from time of resond of devices.
Second main time- reading many programs.
NO CPU intensive task that perform main work, - under official Microsoft
tracing boot program there are.
_______________
I think there are some people that only see selves and need of considering agrues of other. it is sometimes happens, for the sad.
=======================
Bigsm00th
I explain english:
"your often encoding job looks reasonble for x2..." -means =
1)your often encoding job - instead of your job you are encoding,
and explanations are really encoding this process to correct and resonable form,
it is always resonable.
2) your often encoding - this job it is always resonable.
all - especially for x2.
all is ok. ?what a problem ? think better for evidencies.
In other cases I can type fast, soe some miswrite is possible due to need for speed. --Sorry than. Also bad spies bites me sometimes.
_________________________
I think about one more general bad practice:
quoting in every post - in sign, full yuor PC configuration makes rash in forum.
As this show your one of the main thout about life - it also show primitive orientation,
due to not understand this, and really jammed person not on live problems and many interesting deals, but on CPUs.
MrDudeMan
Lifer
- Jan 15, 2001
- 15,069
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lol man this guy is a riot. you put your foot so far into your mouth i dont think you will be able to pull it out, ever. im glad you informed me that windows doesnt use more than 1% of an athlon 1600...i guess any processor faster than that is a waste for home users :roll:
i think this...
was an attempt at a cutdown or comeback, but i cant really tell. it is pretty much the worst english ive ever encountered. seriously, learn some more and then come back and debate. it will be less frustrating for both parties involved. right now no one can communicate with you.
i think this...
was an attempt at a cutdown or comeback, but i cant really tell. it is pretty much the worst english ive ever encountered. seriously, learn some more and then come back and debate. it will be less frustrating for both parties involved. right now no one can communicate with you.
Bigsm00th
Who not want to comunicate with me-
please not communicate with me. No problem.
Be absolutely free to not respond me.
If you somewhere wrong there - than I will not speak with you.
(russian - pigs)
About 1% I was speaaking about threads turning workload.
Who not want to comunicate with me-
please not communicate with me. No problem.
Be absolutely free to not respond me.
If you somewhere wrong there - than I will not speak with you.
(russian - pigs)
About 1% I was speaaking about threads turning workload.
I'm not gonna beat up on you for having little command of English, simply because I can only speak one language myself (cursing aside). But on the other hand, if you can't write a language well-enough to be comprehended, and you cannot, then perhaps you should not post dozens of largely incomprehensible messages to a forum.
Whether it makes rash in forum or not
. And what's this about Russians and pigs?
Lastly...
[NO CPU intensive task that perform main work, - under official Microsoft
tracing boot program there are.]
You need to get over this CPU-intensive thing. Remember, the CPU can only execute one thread at a time, regardless of how "intensive" it is. If a thread uses 1% of the CPU, or it uses 100% of the CPU, it is still the only thread running during its slice. When you have multiple threads running, then multiple threads are getting work done. It's that simple. At startup Windows can assign multiple processes to multiple CPU cores. Suppose you have four applications in your run key, or startup folder. With one core each of them has to complete initialization before the next one can start (essentially). With multiple cores multiple apps can initialize at the same time. You need only spend about twenty minutes with a dual core system to understand and experience this for yourself.
Whether it makes rash in forum or not
. And what's this about Russians and pigs?Lastly...
[NO CPU intensive task that perform main work, - under official Microsoft
tracing boot program there are.]
You need to get over this CPU-intensive thing. Remember, the CPU can only execute one thread at a time, regardless of how "intensive" it is. If a thread uses 1% of the CPU, or it uses 100% of the CPU, it is still the only thread running during its slice. When you have multiple threads running, then multiple threads are getting work done. It's that simple. At startup Windows can assign multiple processes to multiple CPU cores. Suppose you have four applications in your run key, or startup folder. With one core each of them has to complete initialization before the next one can start (essentially). With multiple cores multiple apps can initialize at the same time. You need only spend about twenty minutes with a dual core system to understand and experience this for yourself.
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: mechBgon
But aren't they habit-forming? :Q
Yes, indeed. But in a very good way.
I'm now disgusted using single-core machines because even the speediest seems like a real dog in comparison.
Dude, you have first hand on this? I was wondering the difference and I have a 1.8GHz Venice overclocked. I think it's faster than my Athlon XP but the difference isn't all that much with the exception of gaming, and that is probably due to my new video card.
I just want things to happen instantaneously. Is that asking for too much?
MrDudeMan
Lifer
- Jan 15, 2001
- 15,069
- 94
- 91
Originally posted by: bupkus
Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: mechBgon
But aren't they habit-forming? :Q
Yes, indeed. But in a very good way.
I'm now disgusted using single-core machines because even the speediest seems like a real dog in comparison.
Dude, you have first hand on this? I was wondering the difference and I have a 1.8GHz Venice overclocked. I think it's faster than my Athlon XP but the difference isn't all that much with the exception of gaming, and that is probably due to my new video card.
I just want things to happen instantaneously. Is that asking for too much?
having a dual core will undoubtedly make things faster, but if you want things to be really snappy, you should also invest in a fast hard drive. go for a raptor or a cheetah instead of the regular 7200rpm drives.
Uhh ok. I think my thread has been hijacked....
Anyway, how bout this one...
I have the 3000 now but my mobo has the future CPU slot. So later on could I drop the 3000+ down on the M2 slot and then put an X2 in main CPU socket, or do they have to be the same proc?
Anyway, how bout this one...
I have the 3000 now but my mobo has the future CPU slot. So later on could I drop the 3000+ down on the M2 slot and then put an X2 in main CPU socket, or do they have to be the same proc?
Well I've had a 4400+ X2 for the past 2 weeks and I'm not looking back for one second. Regardless of the nay sayers and some synthetic benchmarks, I care about real world performance for what I use my machine for.
I am a graphic designer who uses a lot of the multithreaded capable Photoshop CS2. I also encode lots of DVD and game frequently. Last night I was on AIM with 5 windows open, had Firefox open with numerous tabs, and had antivirus running all while I was playing F.E.A.R. at its maximum settings in every category. I was alt-tabbing in and out of the game like nobody's business to talk to my friend on AIM with absolutely ZERO slowdown. It was amazing, and that in itself was enough justification for me.
My moral of the story is that whether a X2 is worth it or not is totally subjective to the person. If you do the things that I do, I feel a X2 has major advantages over single core processors. Just ask Photoshop. With the multithreaded capability of that program, I am now flying through it with ease. For somebody who doesn't take advantage of lots of multitasking then of course a single core would be more than adequate. I just feel it's stupid to try and convince somebody that they don't need a dual core when you don't know their purpose. That is all.
I am a graphic designer who uses a lot of the multithreaded capable Photoshop CS2. I also encode lots of DVD and game frequently. Last night I was on AIM with 5 windows open, had Firefox open with numerous tabs, and had antivirus running all while I was playing F.E.A.R. at its maximum settings in every category. I was alt-tabbing in and out of the game like nobody's business to talk to my friend on AIM with absolutely ZERO slowdown. It was amazing, and that in itself was enough justification for me.
My moral of the story is that whether a X2 is worth it or not is totally subjective to the person. If you do the things that I do, I feel a X2 has major advantages over single core processors. Just ask Photoshop. With the multithreaded capability of that program, I am now flying through it with ease. For somebody who doesn't take advantage of lots of multitasking then of course a single core would be more than adequate. I just feel it's stupid to try and convince somebody that they don't need a dual core when you don't know their purpose. That is all.
So if I'm far more interested in gaming than talking to people, would it still be worth it for me to downgrade to a 3800 X2 instead of getting a 4000+ Athlon 64? Would I actually get a performance boost in games?
I'm trying to decide which way to go and I'm pretty lost.
I'm trying to decide which way to go and I'm pretty lost.
If gaming is the main use of your rig, then yeah, I would say a single core would be more than good enough. It would be far less expensive than an X2, and it would perform just as good or if not better for gaming.
Hacp
Lifer
- Jun 8, 2005
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Yes, as I have been saying, if you Just game and only do something that is multithreaded like once or twice a month, it is not worth it. No matter how anyone puts it. If, however you do encode, render, edit, etc alot, and can afford the jump from a P4 to an X2, then going the X2 will defenetly give you huge performance, and it will be worth it. I'm just tired of people saying that the X2 is for everybody, when it is clearly subjective.
Well, It's nice to sometimes have AIM running or some IE windows in the background and going with a 3800 X2 instead of a regular 4000 actually saves me a few $$... so that's why it's a little harder of a decision... there's really no jump in price either way.
I agree. I'm on both sides of it even though I now own an X2. For people who multitask, use photoshop, and encode dvd, then I would definitely and whole heartedly recommend an X2. But for somebody like Chacranajxy who seems like he will only game on his rig, then yes, I would fully recommend only a single core for a considerable amount less money. Even though I own an X2, I try to give the best advice possible to fit the persons needs.
Makaveli
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- Feb 8, 2002
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interesting thread so far. but I do think that guy is over hyping the X2's do u work for AMD?
I'm well aware of how smooth the system feels and how well things run, i've used a few of those x2 rigs so far. but as for the games part that is bull. I've not seen any difference running games on a X2 versus single core of the same speed. And any respectable gamer how strickly games won't have a ton of ****** running in the background anyways. I'm currently running a 2.4ghz Venice. And will eventually go Dual Core sometime next year, after the socket M2 comes out and it drives prices down! but I won't be joining all those people that rushed to buy it just cause its better and all the marketing hype. For me strickly a gamer there is just no need for it at the moment. If u are someone that does heavy multitasking or rendering this obviously doesn't apply to u. its good that u love your purchase, but his needs and uses on the system might be different to yours. Blinding telling him to just buy an X2 causes its currently the best, does show a lack of vision. He might not have as much money to burn as u did.
I'm well aware of how smooth the system feels and how well things run, i've used a few of those x2 rigs so far. but as for the games part that is bull. I've not seen any difference running games on a X2 versus single core of the same speed. And any respectable gamer how strickly games won't have a ton of ****** running in the background anyways. I'm currently running a 2.4ghz Venice. And will eventually go Dual Core sometime next year, after the socket M2 comes out and it drives prices down! but I won't be joining all those people that rushed to buy it just cause its better and all the marketing hype. For me strickly a gamer there is just no need for it at the moment. If u are someone that does heavy multitasking or rendering this obviously doesn't apply to u. its good that u love your purchase, but his needs and uses on the system might be different to yours. Blinding telling him to just buy an X2 causes its currently the best, does show a lack of vision. He might not have as much money to burn as u did.
He asked us if the X2 was worth the money. Everyone who has one says yes. All those who say no don't have one. Enough said.
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