[Ya its a good thing, sure, but really, you people should consider how it is in real life before making theoretical situations up. It is no slower playing games on a single core than it is on an x2]
You mean real life, like the several hours of BF2 I play every night?
You mean real life, like the several hours of BF2 I play every night?
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: mechBgon
He must've meant PCI-Express, this unusual trinket here that has PCI-E x16, AGP 8x, and a Frankenstein Slot that you can drop a CPU-upgrade board into so you can use Socket M2 later. So strange it's almost cool
Bah! I want PCI-X.
Draw an X on teh PCI slot. Then you'll have a speedy pci-X slot
Whoa im sorry
I meant to type PCI expressOriginally posted by: mechBgon
In my case, it's MiniDV tape captured from a Sony HandyCam via Firewire, and the captured video starts off as full-bore .AVI files in Adobe's interface. Adobe then uses them at full quality as the basis for whatever I want done next, which is usually just to filter out motor noise and hiss from the audio, boost the overall volume of whatever is left, and squash the ~93 minutes of a MiniDV tape onto a single-layer DVD+R disc so we can mail them off to our Child Welfare program's funder as per our contractual obligation (the CW people used to convert these to VHS cassette, ewww ewww!
Mech, I'd be very grateful to know what you do to remove the motor noise from DV tapes- I have 40GB+ of raw DV files to process, and each one has the trademark "(wheeeee)" noise in the background.
Cheers! :beer:
mechBgon
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Notch filter, centered on something like 12000Hz if I remember correctly. :beer: I'll update you with a PM on Monday when I'm down there and can check the settings I'm using, but they probably vary from camera to camera anyway. Fiddle with the two dials in the Notch Filter panel while one of your clips is playing back (if using Premiere Elements) and you'll find the sweet spot pretty quickly by ear, anywayOriginally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: mechBgon
In my case, it's MiniDV tape captured from a Sony HandyCam via Firewire, and the captured video starts off as full-bore .AVI files in Adobe's interface. Adobe then uses them at full quality as the basis for whatever I want done next, which is usually just to filter out motor noise and hiss from the audio, boost the overall volume of whatever is left, and squash the ~93 minutes of a MiniDV tape onto a single-layer DVD+R disc so we can mail them off to our Child Welfare program's funder as per our contractual obligation (the CW people used to convert these to VHS cassette, ewww ewww!
Mech, I'd be very grateful to know what you do to remove the motor noise from DV tapes- I have 40GB+ of raw DV files to process, and each one has the trademark "(wheeeee)" noise in the background.
Cheers! :beer:
I now comapred the sisoft Sandra ratings of processors
Athlon 1600
Athlon 3200
names means AMD rating.
it is different by 1,6 times in Sandra. Heh ?
Why I mist pay for new proc?, paying by the way for new Mainboard, update cooler (30-40 $) ?
for so not proportional advance?
If I buy better that 3000 proc I pay times more for
percents faster.
but it is for three years in time of apperiance ?
____________
Lesson for x2 desire:
do you think that diference ration is better in case x2 and usual processor,
for the difference in price ?
For single thread apps - if frequnce of single core CPU is more - this CPU will perform better.
For every person thinking about x2- it need not only "to dream" but think about their main application,
and consider- does they using multy-threaded approach to win at x2 ?
it is not so often.
But many people choose by dream about high CPU and deceives self that it worth every penny.
See below tpical case with explanation.
By the way I also dream about high, 3-4 time faster CPU, but still understand
that x2 is ofet not that processor, but even can be slower.
=====================================================
Sisoft is theoretical... its only after you see the improvements in day to day use between the 2 box's that you'll completely understand (as long as they are run'n the same software)."
There are new narcotics betwen PC users people:
when they day-by-day, ...
mach time,... looking to their PC,
improving every preset to speed up it,
if they get 200 points for some 3dmark,
they really feel self as their penis become TWICE in large,
if they got 1000 points - they feel full love,
it so called "length by parrots", "grow"
(compare better ****** - above full feel like when listened stories of happies. )
(first user was measuerd GPU speed by number of flying parotes on screen), now thus called points of 3dmarks.
(And now commonly adopted description of speed getting methodology.)
thus:
when you use methodology of day-by-day feeling how
your lovely briket under table works,
you can receive very impressive results,
from theoretically very small advances.
____
than, once begin, you often will must to keep such a
self made pleasant self-feel habit, and belief, that it the
the really main and worth strategy,
of choosing what to buy.
good overclockers overclock even power -buttons at PC.
(I was who first proposed the solution)
most - overclock selves at shops thus, parrots getting ways.
there it is possible to remeber and see no else (except spy- encouraged)
people who looks like crazy Bart Simpson at craziest days,
with eyes out of heads and many z-z-z-z-z-z.
Very pretty-ill-by-crazy people( become). Nice to see from aside.
______________________________
Also:
Really in many applications- getting HDD with speed up,
makes feel work dramatically faster.
But it is only for most working applications,
not parrots-aspired desires and else tests.
Athlon 1600
Athlon 3200
names means AMD rating.
it is different by 1,6 times in Sandra. Heh ?
Why I mist pay for new proc?, paying by the way for new Mainboard, update cooler (30-40 $) ?
for so not proportional advance?
If I buy better that 3000 proc I pay times more for
percents faster.
but it is for three years in time of apperiance ?
____________
Lesson for x2 desire:
do you think that diference ration is better in case x2 and usual processor,
for the difference in price ?
For single thread apps - if frequnce of single core CPU is more - this CPU will perform better.
For every person thinking about x2- it need not only "to dream" but think about their main application,
and consider- does they using multy-threaded approach to win at x2 ?
it is not so often.
But many people choose by dream about high CPU and deceives self that it worth every penny.
See below tpical case with explanation.
By the way I also dream about high, 3-4 time faster CPU, but still understand
that x2 is ofet not that processor, but even can be slower.
=====================================================
Sisoft is theoretical... its only after you see the improvements in day to day use between the 2 box's that you'll completely understand (as long as they are run'n the same software)."
There are new narcotics betwen PC users people:
when they day-by-day, ...
mach time,... looking to their PC,
improving every preset to speed up it,
if they get 200 points for some 3dmark,
they really feel self as their penis become TWICE in large,
if they got 1000 points - they feel full love,
it so called "length by parrots", "grow"
(compare better ****** - above full feel like when listened stories of happies. )
(first user was measuerd GPU speed by number of flying parotes on screen), now thus called points of 3dmarks.
(And now commonly adopted description of speed getting methodology.)
thus:
when you use methodology of day-by-day feeling how
your lovely briket under table works,
you can receive very impressive results,
from theoretically very small advances.
____
than, once begin, you often will must to keep such a
self made pleasant self-feel habit, and belief, that it the
the really main and worth strategy,
of choosing what to buy.
good overclockers overclock even power -buttons at PC.
(I was who first proposed the solution)
most - overclock selves at shops thus, parrots getting ways.
there it is possible to remeber and see no else (except spy- encouraged)
people who looks like crazy Bart Simpson at craziest days,
with eyes out of heads and many z-z-z-z-z-z.
Very pretty-ill-by-crazy people( become). Nice to see from aside.
______________________________
Also:
Really in many applications- getting HDD with speed up,
makes feel work dramatically faster.
But it is only for most working applications,
not parrots-aspired desires and else tests.
First, I have no idea what most of that message means, but I applaud you, because I can barely type in one language.
Second, the only thing that X2 proponents on this forum have maintained is that _for people who have the choice_, i.e. those that post saying something like "I can get either the X2 or single core, what should I do," the X2 is obviously better. Others keep talking about how many apps people run, and whether they multitask. So the attempt is to justify the X2 or not based on technical considerations, not price and affordability. Windows is massively multithreaded, and everything you do in it benefits from dual cores. If you can afford it, it is always better. But if the price differential is too much to absorb, then obviously single core is the better choice.
Second, the only thing that X2 proponents on this forum have maintained is that _for people who have the choice_, i.e. those that post saying something like "I can get either the X2 or single core, what should I do," the X2 is obviously better. Others keep talking about how many apps people run, and whether they multitask. So the attempt is to justify the X2 or not based on technical considerations, not price and affordability. Windows is massively multithreaded, and everything you do in it benefits from dual cores. If you can afford it, it is always better. But if the price differential is too much to absorb, then obviously single core is the better choice.
Markbnj
Only maniak people evaluates like you propose...
You decide that if 1000$ processor is better if can buy it,
that 200$ processor that performs 10% slower..
But many people consider price/speed ratio, and in CPU price/of "fast" speed,
for which one is better, (I evaluate also so. and consider what is best)
but still it meaningfull and really act on PC.
Remeber that most time CPU is not working.
And you pay really for your maniak feelings.
[You can have one more advance of x2: price of x2 overhelms prices of needed to buy
coolers, mobos and so on, considering now it as cheapest units.
But this is just "for usual people"]
Windows internal massive threading is fully satisfied by only one CPU.
But really fast CPU is really desired.
_______________________
mechBgon
- if you really do - often, many CPU consuming task -
than oit is reason for x2.
But it is really rarely happens, and must be explicitly considered,
but not declaring that "always x2 better".
Only maniak people evaluates like you propose...
You decide that if 1000$ processor is better if can buy it,
that 200$ processor that performs 10% slower..
But many people consider price/speed ratio, and in CPU price/of "fast" speed,
for which one is better, (I evaluate also so. and consider what is best)
but still it meaningfull and really act on PC.
Remeber that most time CPU is not working.
And you pay really for your maniak feelings.
[You can have one more advance of x2: price of x2 overhelms prices of needed to buy
coolers, mobos and so on, considering now it as cheapest units.
But this is just "for usual people"]
Windows internal massive threading is fully satisfied by only one CPU.
But really fast CPU is really desired.
_______________________
mechBgon
- if you really do - often, many CPU consuming task -
than oit is reason for x2.
But it is really rarely happens, and must be explicitly considered,
but not declaring that "always x2 better".
n7
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For me, my X2 is worth it.
How'd i jusitfy the purchase?
Well, i re-encode a lot of DVD9s to DVD5s.
Since the i use what's arguably the best program & DVD re-encoder out there (DVD-RB + CCE) @ 5 passes, it takes a few hours for each DVD.
Or it did.
Now with my X2, it takes a couple hours only, since DVD-RB & CCE are multithreaded, & the best part is that i can do anything else i want simultaneously, like play UT2k4, while i encode, something i couldn't have done before.
How'd i jusitfy the purchase?
Well, i re-encode a lot of DVD9s to DVD5s.
Since the i use what's arguably the best program & DVD re-encoder out there (DVD-RB + CCE) @ 5 passes, it takes a few hours for each DVD.
Or it did.
Now with my X2, it takes a couple hours only, since DVD-RB & CCE are multithreaded, & the best part is that i can do anything else i want simultaneously, like play UT2k4, while i encode, something i couldn't have done before.
n7
If you justified your concrete purposes than you can feel rightly
that your money not just used/lost for self-honoring between friends.
that feel is most correct - according to "normal people" notion.
but remember different things if you advice to "usual people"
with else purposes,
they for sample just buy DVD.
and not want spend much $$$$ according topic heading.
_________________
else often reason - make celebrate for self looking on computer,
looking (or remebering) for some rare operation,
but no else justification
it is often happens.
I sometimes too.
(I attach self to set of people who send out proposers that wallpaper takes too much DDR
and not helps to work)
If you justified your concrete purposes than you can feel rightly
that your money not just used/lost for self-honoring between friends.
that feel is most correct - according to "normal people" notion.
but remember different things if you advice to "usual people"
with else purposes,
they for sample just buy DVD.
and not want spend much $$$$ according topic heading.
_________________
else often reason - make celebrate for self looking on computer,
looking (or remebering) for some rare operation,
but no else justification
it is often happens.
I sometimes too.
(I attach self to set of people who send out proposers that wallpaper takes too much DDR
and not helps to work)
Well I just added the Thermalright XP-90 heatsink (retail) to my order, I've heard alot of good comments about that one. I'm gonna use my Zalman FB123 92mm fan setup with it. Wish me luck!
don't campare dual and single core processors of the same speed, compare the prices. the extra money that would have went into dual-core could be used to buy a faster single core processor.
a 2.2GHz X2 with only 1MB of cache can cost more than $475
for that price, you can get an A64 4000 at 2.4GHz w(370) ith 1MB cache and still have $100 left over to get a much better video card. this will give you much better performance.
a 2.2GHz X2 with only 1MB of cache can cost more than $475
for that price, you can get an A64 4000 at 2.4GHz w(370) ith 1MB cache and still have $100 left over to get a much better video card. this will give you much better performance.
I'm not really an expert when it comes to multi processor computing, but I remember when I was considering getting a Dual P3 back when I was in college, I remember learning somewhere that while mutli-proc computing does add distinct advantages when multi-tasking, it is not always more effective as single CPU computing, simply because the 2 CPUs need to rely on each other. ie
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "We need to boot the system..."
CPU 2 (to CPU 1): "OK, I will start loading some stuff"
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "I can't seem to find the system.ini file, did you take it?"
CPU 2 (to CPU 1): "Yes, I did .. I need it now"
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "OK, I'll wait"
...0.01 ms later...
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "I can't seem to find the system.ini file, did you take it?"
CPU 2 (to CPU 1): "Yes, I did ... I put it in memory"
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "OK, I'll check memory"
etc.
This, to a large degree, nullifies the advantage of multiple CPU's doesn't it?
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "We need to boot the system..."
CPU 2 (to CPU 1): "OK, I will start loading some stuff"
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "I can't seem to find the system.ini file, did you take it?"
CPU 2 (to CPU 1): "Yes, I did .. I need it now"
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "OK, I'll wait"
...0.01 ms later...
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "I can't seem to find the system.ini file, did you take it?"
CPU 2 (to CPU 1): "Yes, I did ... I put it in memory"
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "OK, I'll check memory"
etc.
This, to a large degree, nullifies the advantage of multiple CPU's doesn't it?
MrDudeMan
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Originally posted by: bladephoenix
I'm not really an expert when it comes to multi processor computing, but I remember when I was considering getting a Dual P3 back when I was in college, I remember learning somewhere that while mutli-proc computing does add distinct advantages when multi-tasking, it is not always more effective as single CPU computing, simply because the 2 CPUs need to rely on each other. ie
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "We need to boot the system..."
CPU 2 (to CPU 1): "OK, I will start loading some stuff"
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "I can't seem to find the system.ini file, did you take it?"
CPU 2 (to CPU 1): "Yes, I did .. I need it now"
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "OK, I'll wait"
...0.01 ms later...
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "I can't seem to find the system.ini file, did you take it?"
CPU 2 (to CPU 1): "Yes, I did ... I put it in memory"
CPU 1 (to CPU 2): "OK, I'll check memory"
etc.
This, to a large degree, nullifies the advantage of multiple CPU's doesn't it?
if it was anywhere near that stupid, then yes it would be a waste of money, but the implementation isnt that stupid so your point is null.
It certainly isn't that stupid, but it isn't that smart either (for now).
Therefore some games have problems running on dual core because of scenario like the above.
x2 is quite effectively implemented.
But for the cases when two or more CPU intesive task take place.
else - one CPU with higher frequency is faster.
_________________
when our lovely apps will be re-implemented with multy-thread keep,
than x2 will become working processor of the furture...
Due to frequency grow relatively slowly.
but now, it is need to consider what you will get for much money -
you can get negative benefit at all comparing to other choices.
And so for near future time.
Unfortunately,
Applications designers not fasten selves to convert their apps to multithreaded.
But for the cases when two or more CPU intesive task take place.
else - one CPU with higher frequency is faster.
_________________
when our lovely apps will be re-implemented with multy-thread keep,
than x2 will become working processor of the furture...
Due to frequency grow relatively slowly.
but now, it is need to consider what you will get for much money -
you can get negative benefit at all comparing to other choices.
And so for near future time.
Unfortunately,
Applications designers not fasten selves to convert their apps to multithreaded.
Uhh... assuming your budget specifically fits into those parameters...
What if you have enough for both? Or not enough for either?
WTH
there are some else "just intesting"(not very serious)
point of view:
"dump programmers written many hanging applications and scripts",
especially for internet..
For sample Anandtech sometimes get 100%CPU for some long time...
(i'm just objectve,
I'm programmer )
But that people say: I buy computer "not for think (on it) but to work".
Thus getting x2 frees such a people from care about thinking each time why their PC
is hang again.
It is possible to note that it happens rarely, and to think sometimes rarely is good...
To have some understanding what happens with your system is good,
to slightly tune - by avoid hangung places...
________________
many people work for care about their computer, but not for some useful work.
but inverse people is also single-sided minded people (and some lasy) - let money resolve all, they think.
Spend $$$ for surfing.
point of view:
"dump programmers written many hanging applications and scripts",
especially for internet..
For sample Anandtech sometimes get 100%CPU for some long time...
(i'm just objectve,
I'm programmer )
But that people say: I buy computer "not for think (on it) but to work".
Thus getting x2 frees such a people from care about thinking each time why their PC
is hang again.
It is possible to note that it happens rarely, and to think sometimes rarely is good...
To have some understanding what happens with your system is good,
to slightly tune - by avoid hangung places...
________________
many people work for care about their computer, but not for some useful work.
but inverse people is also single-sided minded people (and some lasy) - let money resolve all, they think.
Spend $$$ for surfing.
X2 FTW. On my old 3000+ i could run prime95(utilize the cpu to 100%) and the system would be as slow Christmas. With the 4800+ X2 i can have 2 instances of prime95 open(to utilize both cores to 100%), be running a virus sanner, browsing the web, and burning a dvd with no problem.
Also notice a big difference in games epecially when alt-tab out and then back in and the loading times.
Also notice a big difference in games epecially when alt-tab out and then back in and the loading times.
but it is not "every peny worth case".
it is near- "not think, but wok, even with no problems,
that sometimes not too often happens,
even for big money, due to I have money for my PC for easy switching task,
or feeling better weekly writing DVD for 0.7$ each.
- it need to be said truly.
it is near- "not think, but wok, even with no problems,
that sometimes not too often happens,
even for big money, due to I have money for my PC for easy switching task,
or feeling better weekly writing DVD for 0.7$ each.
- it need to be said truly.
Got my dad a 3000+ venice. I am not overclocking it but I bet it can go high. The thing runs cool as hell at stock 1.8Ghz. In room with a temp of ~70 degrees it is running at 84 F with the stock cooler.
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