Are the X2 processors worth the $$$$?

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Markbnj

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[Only maniak people evaluates like you propose... ]

and

[And you pay really for your maniak feelings]

and

[Windows internal massive threading is fully satisfied by only one CPU.]

See, I was trying to be nice to you in that last message, and then you go and call me a maniak. The fact is, your statement "Windows internal massive threading is fully satisfied by only one CPU" is nonsensical. For those of you speaking english as a second language, nonsensical means "ridiculous." Give me a definition of "fully satisfied" in this case. You mean your apps pop up fast enough? Bully for you. Personally, I like to be able to play a game while downloading and installing applications.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: Markbnj
[Only maniak people evaluates like you propose... ]

and

[And you pay really for your maniak feelings]

and

[Windows internal massive threading is fully satisfied by only one CPU.]

See, I was trying to be nice to you in that last message, and then you go and call me a maniak. The fact is, your statement "Windows internal massive threading is fully satisfied by only one CPU" is nonsensical. For those of you speaking english as a second language, nonsensical means "ridiculous." Give me a definition of "fully satisfied" in this case. You mean your apps pop up fast enough? Bully for you. Personally, I like to be able to play a game while downloading and installing applications.

agreed.

it also doesnt make sense to say windows is massively multithreaded and then qualify it by saying that is all maximized on one CPU. adding a processor to a multithreaded operation can only do one thing, make it faster. that is all it can do. nothing else.
 

vgrigor4

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Markbnj-

when I was written about maniak affect in computer feeleings,
first - I was desribing general behavior - of bug nubmer of people,
this general behavior is maniak base - by my opinion - due to not any thoutfull agruments.
second - I was not tried to offfend you. see above consideration.


"Fully satisfied" for multithreaded - means that one CPU serve best for 99,99
percentage of Windows threaded internals in ALL usual work .
It was correct.
Also this is AMD CPU creators cite. Does they wrong on public?

Second CPU adds nothing to it, except to only NOT WINDOWS byt for separate
additional applications or threads in some application which must be also be full CPU intensive to see the difference.
 

LxMxFxD3

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Depends on your application

If you are a gamer then get a single core and make it run at 2.9ghz or something ;)

For me, I video encode a lot, multitask up the ass, etc. I have been waiting for dual core for years. :) I almost bought an intel 830 until I read how much power they used.
 

paulw86

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Originally posted by: vgrigor4
Markbnj-

when I was written about maniak affect in computer feeleings,
first - I was desribing general behavior - of bug nubmer of people,
this general behavior is maniak base - by my opinion - due to not any thoutfull agruments.
second - I was not tried to offfend you. see above consideration.


"Fully satisfied" for multithreaded - means that one CPU serve best for 99,99
percentage of Windows threaded internals in ALL usual work .
It was correct.
Also this is AMD CPU creators cite. Does they wrong on public?

Second CPU adds nothing to it, except to only NOT WINDOWS byt for separate
additional applications or threads in some application which must be also be full CPU intensive to see the difference.

hey, come on, at least make your english understandable and acceptable...jesus, what in heaven's name is "does they"? :Q
 

prodesma

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wow, I can't really believe there's still debate here.
Dual is happenin'. And for gamers with OC'ed rigs, just wait. Games always have the FASTEST to-market curve of all software. With dualies launched this year, it's a cinch to believe that games will be multi-thread next year.

Okay, look, everything in my sig, INCLUDING sales tax and shipping (when needed off pricegrabber)... That's o/s, hardware, ram, case, cards, monitor key/mouse was $2250 after rebates. And I got Call of Duty, Far Cry, Halo, HL, HL2, Bet on Soldier, Thief 3, Splinter Cell, and a 128 MB flash drive for FREE with my parts. I don't think that's a lot more than a faster single cpu (X2 3800+ cost me $370 for cpu retail box).

And who is gonna complain that they are ABLE to burn dvd's in the background while playing Far Cry at highest settings? I didn't think so. My initial benches are pretty amazing, when testing single thread uses. The X2 3800 is probably the sweet spot, I was opting for the 4400+ with 2 MB cache, but the extea $150 just wasn't in my plan.

And the 3800 has a 10x multi maximum, the 4400 has an 11. Granted, the Toledo is a bigger die, more transitors, yada yada... But they both actually OC to about the same from all I read. SLI w/ dual cores? Wow, rigs are gettin' sick these days.
 

vgrigor4

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LOL!

AsRock mobo cost 70$!!!
it also permit use AGP card not buying new one!
(but with PCI-E and ready for M2 with extention slot)

How you will feel neglected self when thinking that other people provided 2000$
for their systems, including up to 500$ for CPU ?

you feel self pure?

(Or adequate ?)
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I will also buy ASrock.

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Can someone advice me wich CPU is make feel that it is much greater than my Atlon 1600 ?
For single threaded tasks.

Venice 3000 is just 1.6 times faster... According to Sandra.

what means much greater ? or suffitenly great ?
for CPU comparison.

I do not want to buy new one with mobo and cooler for advance for 1.6-2 times...
 

biostud

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I've had the rig in my sig in my appartment for 3 days since my GF is staying over, so can't play with it before friday or maybe even saturday.
 

PKing1977

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Originally posted by: biostud
I've had the rig in my sig in my appartment for 3 days since my GF is staying over, so can't play with it before friday or maybe even saturday.

kick her out... wtf!~!!!!


PKing
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: PKing1977
Originally posted by: biostud
I've had the rig in my sig in my appartment for 3 days since my GF is staying over, so can't play with it before friday or maybe even saturday.

kick her out... wtf!~!!!!


PKing

heh. only a real geek would choose his rig over a g/f :D
 

boobears

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X2 is the way of the future but I still went with single core for now. In the future I probably will go dual core since I use dual processor systems at work.

Player A buys an X2 but Player B decides to go single core venice and use the money saved to buy a Dell 2405FPW. They both get above 60FPS in the games they play. Who do you think is better off? I am player B. It doesn't matter to me that I get 65fp/s instead of 70fp/s. I get more use value out of my screen than player A ever will get out of both cores on that overpriced chip.

If you do a lot of video encoding or run something like SETI@home in the background then dual core is absolutely the way to go. Otherwise, get a 2405FPW instead.
 

Markbnj

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[Second CPU adds nothing to it, except to only NOT WINDOWS byt for separate
additional applications or threads in some application which must be also be full CPU intensive to see the difference.]

You're wrong. Windows takes advantage of a second core in everything it does, and that shows in the user experience. I suggest you try one, then come back and post about it.
 

paulw86

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Originally posted by: vgrigor4
LOL!

AsRock mobo cost 70$!!!
it also permit use AGP card not buying new one!
(but with PCI-E and ready for M2 with extention slot)

How you will feel neglected self when thinking that other people provided 2000$
for their systems, including up to 500$ for CPU ?

you feel self pure?

(Or adequate ?)
____________

I will also buy ASrock.

=========================

Can someone advice me wich CPU is make feel that it is much greater than my Atlon 1600 ?
For single threaded tasks.

Venice 3000 is just 1.6 times faster... According to Sandra.

what means much greater ? or suffitenly great ?
for CPU comparison.

I do not want to buy new one with mobo and cooler for advance for 1.6-2 times...

you talking to yourself there? Dude man, seriously, I think most people here are having a hard time understanding you...~_~
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: Markbnj
[Second CPU adds nothing to it, except to only NOT WINDOWS byt for separate
additional applications or threads in some application which must be also be full CPU intensive to see the difference.]

You're wrong. Windows takes advantage of a second core in everything it does, and that shows in the user experience. I suggest you try one, then come back and post about it.

Haven't used any X2's, but I have used lots of SMP rigs, and I'm not quite sure what this "user experience" thing you talk about is in this context?
Does Windows boot faster? Never noticed that, though a few of the rigs I'm talking about have had fast SCSI drives, that sure helps.
Apps load faster? Sure with those fast SCSI drives they will, not because of two CPU's.
Etc etc.

Dual core is worth it for people who like to do several things at once, decoding a DVD and playing a game, running Prime95(for whatever reason) and gaming, or whatever, but to say it just magically makes everything better is just nonsense.

And I don't remember who said it, but if your games stutter unless you have a DC CPU, I'd say you have other problems with your box.
 

vgrigor4

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Yes,

that new DELL monitor worth to mention in every thread
http://www.windowsatoz.com/product_guides/displays/dell_ultrasharp_2405FPW.php
(even sex positions learning)

it is the best for money to spend to.

To test reasoning with else side:
Who said here for need x2 -
sincerely answer - what you prefer x2 or this 24 inch excellent LCD ?
If possible to get only one.
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Markbnj

threading in Windows takes no more 1% of Atlon 1600,
thus newere visible by users - except on server - superthreaded (millions for a day) apps.

So if Windows take advanatage for deviding this 1% to 0.5% and 0.5% - it is not so useful as you propose.
Really tenfold lower.
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I will try to enhance my english, if spies will not prevent me to do it.
 

Koudelka

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Anyways.. i only read the first page of the thread, but i thought i'd ask 2 questions.

1.) Is there any benefit for gaming when using a dual core processor? I'm thinking about getting a 4600.

2.) Are dual core processors supported on any Socket 939 AMD mobo? I currently have a DFI lanparty SLI-DR.


Thanks!
 

KoolDrew

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1.) Is there any benefit for gaming when using a dual core processor? I'm thinking about getting a 4600.

You won't benefit from it much if you don't run multi-threaded applications or multitask, but games are starting to be made multi-threaded.

2.) Are dual core processors supported on any Socket 939 AMD mobo? I currently have a DFI lanparty SLI-DR.

It will work fine. Also, I wouldn't get the 46009., I would either get the 3800+ or 4400+ and overclock.
 

Sunner

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Oh and one common misunderstanding seems to be that just because an application has several threads open, it will benefit from SMP.
 

mechBgon

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I posted my initial experience with my X2 3800+ over in CPU/Overclocking. Adobe Premiere Elements 1.0 encoding/burning times are cut in half, compared to my 3000+. The computer remains quite responsive even with both cores getting about 85-90% usage, while the 3000+ had noticable lag. And yes, I've already got 15k SCSI in there ;)

So yes, $350 was a lot of money for me, but I think I will have no regrets in the long run. Your kilometerage may vary ;)
 

vgrigor4

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mechBgon

Of course your app is threaded,
and hang happen.

tell - how often you use your previously hanging application ?
(Consieder please - It is often happen.... - you may "just love my thing" due to "my" and correct reasons to comfortable percepting set of them.

Also "long run" may mean- after some mounth pain of feeling that money lost with no visible sence - finally decreased. Money spend distributed over months..
Once so feeling that you named as high performance proc - become prevailing
on eliminated by time feel of money lost... thus - no regrets remained ???

Can it be so ?
.)

Do you tried any overclock ?
 

mechBgon

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Originally posted by: vgrigor4
mechBgon

tell - how often you use your previously hanging application ?

Do you tried any overclock ?
I do the video encoding several times a week, sometimes 5 jobs in one day if I have enough time. Sometimes I would go home for dinner and drive back to the office to start a new job, just trying to get them all done. You can see why I am :) that the encoding part is twice as fast now.

When the encoding jobs are running, I am usually trying to do other normal work too. Microsoft Office, Remote Desktop Connection sessions to the servers, sometimes some image editing in Photoshop Elements, scanning the LAN with Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer, etc. It varies.

We have powerful antivirus software that is very demanding on the CPU sometimes (example: opening Microsoft Access and then opening Access Help, 100% CPU usage for ~30 seconds on single core), and there were a few times that Adobe starved for CPU time because I was doing something like that. The antivirus software was taking all the CPU time and Adobe lost. That should also be fixed, so I don't have to worry about losing an hour of progress in Adobe just by starting some other program.

I don't overclock my work computer, even though it belongs to me, that is taboo in the IT world.