Are the rich really that heartless?

[Deeko]

Athletes salaries should be paid to a percentage of ticket sales, that way they never feel exploited and they are still encouraged to win/perform.
Various permutations of this can exist so that you still have team loyalty preventing a win or starve situation.

In essence, they are. The salary cap is set dynamically based on league revenues - which are a combination of ticket sales, TV contracts, jersey sales, etc. So basically - their salary is directly tied to if the league is successful or not.

(In the NFL at least)

 

[Deeko]

There are only so many people in the world who can do what top athletes do. There is only one LeBron James....only a handful of guys like Brady, Manning, A.Rogers, etc. Supply and demand. There are a much larger number of semi-intelligent, family neglecting, screw over employees for a buck, jerks who can be CEOs.

I really disagree with this. As much as people like to think of CEOs as assholes that sit in cavernous offices counting their money and throwing darts at a board to see which plebe they'll fire next, its actually a very demanding job that not many people can do.

I work as a software engineer, so I'm well acquiainted with the average intelligent engineer scoffing at the merits of those with leadership skills. Its just not that simple.

 

[Train]

First, I'd ask you to read some of the real facts behind Wonderbread's problems. Then, I'd like to to defend your outlook on the operating practices of corporations you're so fond of. Then I'd like you to tell me what penalties Yarick or James Elsesser paid.

First, I'd like you to drop the class warfare stupidity. It pretty much prevents you from having a rational argument.

Then, I'd like you to think about the ramifications about the ability to pierce the corporate veil for any reason whatsoever. Let me remind you that this would apply from anyone from the CEO down to the kid working the drive through window. Now when the corp gets sued for $100 million... they would just be able to dump it on the INDIVIDUAL responsible. Let me guess, you only want to be able to pierce the veil to reach RICH people? of course you do.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

First, I'd like you to drop the class warfare stupidity. It pretty much prevents you from having a rational argument.

Then, I'd like you to think about the ramifications about the ability to pierce the corporate veil for any reason whatsoever. Let me remind you that this would apply from anyone from the CEO down to the kid working the drive through window. Now when the corp gets sued for $100 million... they would just be able to dump it on the INDIVIDUAL responsible. Let me guess, you only want to be able to pierce the veil to reach RICH people? of course you do.

It IS class warfare, not the haves against the have nots but, the totally disconnected against the individually responsible.

There should be the ability to sue any individual within a corporation. If the "kid working the drive through" fucks up he should be held responsible along with the author of the corporate policy he was following. The lack of personal responsibility is the single most influential factor in the bad decision making of corporations.

 

[spidey07]

It IS class warfare, not the haves against the have nots but, the totally disconnected against the individually responsible.

There should be the ability to sue any individual within a corporation. If the "kid working the drive through" fucks up he should be held responsible along with the author of the corporate policy he was following. The lack of personal responsibility is the single most influential factor in the bad decision making of corporations.

That is a seriously fucked up way to look at it. It's also why I never sign my name as an acting agent of The Company and always include company name to make absolutely certain that my decisions/actions are as an agent of The Company, and not me personally.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

That is a seriously fucked up way to look at it. It's also why I never sign my name as an acting agent of The Company and always include company name to make absolutely certain that my decisions/actions are as an agent of The Company, and not me personally.

I guess you'd be a little more careful following 'policy' if you were responsible eh? I guess corporations would change their business practices too.

 

[spidey07]

I guess you'd be a little more careful following 'policy' if you were responsible eh? I guess corporations would change their business practices too.

I'm already pretty careful, if I do something stupid and cost The Company a lot of money or liability I get fired.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I'm already pretty careful, if I do something stupid and cost The Company a lot of money or liability I get fired.

If you do something that fucks up someone's life, you should get more than "fired." The corporation is an abstract identity who's only purpose is to maximize profits. Unfortunately, corporations exist in a world that has more than one purpose and more than one way of evaluating 'success.' How so many can willingly give there lives to a two dimensional abstract identity like a corporation and think it's an ideal strategy or, the 'American dream' is beyond me.