Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
they're the ones that everyone cheats off of, straight A's in class (esp math).
they're on the math team, chess team, debate team, etc.
but, they weren't the most social, not on any of the sports teams, and not popular with the girls.
was that your typical asian kid in hs?
Originally posted by: RKS
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.
1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.
I could go on??
School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.
I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.
exactly, I mean who wants to make 6 figures by working in a professional environment when you can lead an entire crew through lunch and dinner service. That's a lot more satisfying than a stupid piece paper from a silly college.
Originally posted by: Scouzer
We didn't have any Asians at my school. Nor any blacks... or Indians...
In fact, my school was 100% white.
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: RKS
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.
1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.
I could go on??
School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.
I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.
exactly, I mean who wants to make 6 figures by working in a professional environment when you can lead an entire crew through lunch and dinner service. That's a lot more satisfying than a stupid piece paper from a silly college.
:laugh:
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: RKS
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.
1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.
I could go on??
School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.
I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.
exactly, I mean who wants to make 6 figures by working in a professional environment when you can lead an entire crew through lunch and dinner service. That's a lot more satisfying than a stupid piece paper from a silly college.
:laugh:
Originally posted by: maddogchen
most asians at my HS were smart and for some strange reason had white girl fetishes.
Its odd bringing an asian girl to dinner when all your asian friends brought white girls. Its like my bad...i guess i didn't read the memo....
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
they're the ones that everyone cheats off of, straight A's in class (esp math).
they're on the math team, chess team, debate team, etc.
but, they weren't the most social, not on any of the sports teams, and not popular with the girls.
was that your typical asian kid in hs?
Oh, you're talking to me. And social? Uhhh, I think you havent been around enough Asians to know that we Asians divide into many groups.
If you're talking to the Chinese/Cantonese/Taiwanese crowd that are ABCs with parents who are rich engineers and move their kids to the good schools, we ABCs are very social. We network in our group of Asians, and if you go to college, this is probably the group that runs the Asian American Association, or the ABA, or those Asian business frats, and possibly reaching into the Asian sororities/frats. This is a huge group at least where I'm from. As for girls, I think we're pretty good with the girls. Maybe we're not good with WHITE girls or other races, but I can guarantee you we don't have issues with girls amongst the Asian race.
Then you can talk about the Asians that live in East SJ. The gangstas.... Many of my Viet friends come from East SJ, and those Asians are NOT the same Asians I'm used to hanging out with. I don't really know these Asians as well though as I did not grow up around them.
Then you have the FOBS. These are the ones that are ultra fobs and sing K all the time and speak their native language, etc.
Ok there's like a bajillion types of Asians but if you are Asian American like me, you can probably identify a few of them that I did already.
Straight A's? Almost. 4.35 HS GPA. Sports? I swam. A lot of us swam or played badminton or bball, tennis.. blah blah. Debate team? Check. Business club? Check. Volunteer? Check. SAT Prep? Hahaha yes. Math tutoring? Yes. Cheating? Ehh if you call getting last year's exams cheating, then maybe. But here's the twist. If we're so smart and we get sent to prep classes all the time, do we really need to cheat? I got a 97% in Calc which put me at #4 out of all the seniors/juniors taking it, and so what? If I cheated I could've gotten a 99, but I don't see the need there.
So to answer your question, yes. The typical Asian kid at our school was smart, but it really depends where you came from. My cousin is outdoing me in every respect and at his school he's one of the few Asians.
Edit: For the record I came from an elementary school that was 97% Asian. My high school was about 2/3 Asian, and there was a WSJ article called The New White Flight about my HS. Here it is: http://www.cjdomproductions.co.../theNewWhiteFlight.pdf Oh and now I'm at Berkeley where the amazingly low 40% Asian population adds so much diversity because for the first time I'm meeting non Asians =P
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
they're the ones that everyone cheats off of, straight A's in class (esp math).
they're on the math team, chess team, debate team, etc.
but, they weren't the most social, not on any of the sports teams, and not popular with the girls.
was that your typical asian kid in hs?
Oh, you're talking to me. And social? Uhhh, I think you havent been around enough Asians to know that we Asians divide into many groups.
If you're talking to the Chinese/Cantonese/Taiwanese crowd that are ABCs with parents who are rich engineers and move their kids to the good schools, we ABCs are very social. We network in our group of Asians, and if you go to college, this is probably the group that runs the Asian American Association, or the ABA, or those Asian business frats, and possibly reaching into the Asian sororities/frats. This is a huge group at least where I'm from. As for girls, I think we're pretty good with the girls. Maybe we're not good with WHITE girls or other races, but I can guarantee you we don't have issues with girls amongst the Asian race.
Then you can talk about the Asians that live in East SJ. The gangstas.... Many of my Viet friends come from East SJ, and those Asians are NOT the same Asians I'm used to hanging out with. I don't really know these Asians as well though as I did not grow up around them.
Then you have the FOBS. These are the ones that are ultra fobs and sing K all the time and speak their native language, etc.
Ok there's like a bajillion types of Asians but if you are Asian American like me, you can probably identify a few of them that I did already.
Straight A's? Almost. 4.35 HS GPA. Sports? I swam. A lot of us swam or played badminton or bball, tennis.. blah blah. Debate team? Check. Business club? Check. Volunteer? Check. SAT Prep? Hahaha yes. Math tutoring? Yes. Cheating? Ehh if you call getting last year's exams cheating, then maybe. But here's the twist. If we're so smart and we get sent to prep classes all the time, do we really need to cheat? I got a 97% in Calc which put me at #4 out of all the seniors/juniors taking it, and so what? If I cheated I could've gotten a 99, but I don't see the need there.
So to answer your question, yes. The typical Asian kid at our school was smart, but it really depends where you came from. My cousin is outdoing me in every respect and at his school he's one of the few Asians.
Edit: For the record I came from an elementary school that was 97% Asian. My high school was about 2/3 Asian, and there was a WSJ article called The New White Flight about my HS. Here it is: http://www.cjdomproductions.co.../theNewWhiteFlight.pdf Oh and now I'm at Berkeley where the amazingly low 40% Asian population adds so much diversity because for the first time I'm meeting non Asians =P
East SJ Asians. LOL. You mean Story/Mckee Rd.? Viet gangstaz.
I think you summed up the different 'type' of asians up pretty well. The ABCs in the silicon valley typically come from wealthy, upper-middle class families with engineer/professional parents that push academics and demand good schools.
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.
1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.
I could go on??
School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.
I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: RKS
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.
1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.
I could go on??
School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.
I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.
exactly, I mean who wants to make 6 figures by working in a professional environment when you can lead an entire crew through lunch and dinner service. That's a lot more satisfying than a stupid piece paper from a silly college.
:laugh:
TBH leadership is great, and it leads many to great places, but look at the AVERAGES. If the average Asian kid is going to be an engineer, doctor, lawyer, or businessman, those are all 6 figure incomes. If your AVERAGE Non-Asian spends time dicking around college till he/she finds something he/she likes, chances are you aren't going to be better off. But there are chances that one might discover something and become someone great, and see that's why we talk about the American dream. It's wonderful to become a Bill Gates, but how many of us are there that will be billionares.
The Asian methodology of forcing kids into those professions works only if you have interest in those fields. Me? I love engineering, so I'm fine with it. I think it's better to know that you can live well off as an engineer and be fine in life. I think no matter what we develop on our own. Even if our parents instill a lot of crap into us, it just means it takes us longer to develop as individuals. In teh end, everyone learns to become independent, but by then I know I'll be making the bucks as an engineer while you might have just finished traveling the world and finding out that you would like to finish your rhetoric degree and possibly try out law school.
Same with my schooling, from elementary to high school. Maybe one or two black kids, that's about it, rest were white.Originally posted by: Scouzer
We didn't have any Asians at my school. Nor any blacks... or Indians...
In fact, my school was 100% white.
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: maddogchen
most asians at my HS were smart and for some strange reason had white girl fetishes.
Its odd bringing an asian girl to dinner when all your asian friends brought white girls. Its like my bad...i guess i didn't read the memo....
Me think it's that inferiority complex acting up. "See, I am so good I can go out with white chicks." ...
Originally posted by: Imp
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: maddogchen
most asians at my HS were smart and for some strange reason had white girl fetishes.
Its odd bringing an asian girl to dinner when all your asian friends brought white girls. Its like my bad...i guess i didn't read the memo....
Me think it's that inferiority complex acting up. "See, I am so good I can go out with white chicks." ...
lol...
It's mainly the "abc" ones that do that. Most of the "abc"s I know started with white guys/gals for their SO. One of my friends (girl) even said she would never go out with asian dudes. I don't know what the rationale behind all of it is, but I got ideas.