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are the asian kids in your school smart?

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rofl. i'm an american born korean and uhh in high school, there were like 5 asians in the whole student body (approx. 500.)

now i'm at RIT, there are a lot of asian students even i don't socialize with them.
 
It was a mix of both at my school, just like with the white kids and just like it probably is at most schools.

KT

 
Asians can be very smart. But so can white people 😛

There was this white guy in 3 of my engineering classes who was outrageously smart. Was taking the EE weedout, the MechE weedout, and two math courses (linear/differential). AND we were in the same programming course where the professor liked to hand out 12+ hour homework assignments. Of course, this guy had 2 jobs AND found time to drink on the weekends. His only complaint was how difficult thermodynamics was (his exam average was a 95). Mother. Trucker. I was really impressed by his abilities 🙂

Then there are the Koreans. My god, going from the east coast to the midwest brought a huge change in that population. Back at home, the Koreans I knew were outrageously smart. This was not the case at Purdue 🙁 There are some studious Koreans who definitely do well, but they are not smart like the ones I knew back home.
 
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
they're the ones that everyone cheats off of, straight A's in class (esp math).
they're on the math team, chess team, debate team, etc.

but, they weren't the most social, not on any of the sports teams, and not popular with the girls.

was that your typical asian kid in hs?

Oh, you're talking to me. And social? Uhhh, I think you havent been around enough Asians to know that we Asians divide into many groups.

If you're talking to the Chinese/Cantonese/Taiwanese crowd that are ABCs with parents who are rich engineers and move their kids to the good schools, we ABCs are very social. We network in our group of Asians, and if you go to college, this is probably the group that runs the Asian American Association, or the ABA, or those Asian business frats, and possibly reaching into the Asian sororities/frats. This is a huge group at least where I'm from. As for girls, I think we're pretty good with the girls. Maybe we're not good with WHITE girls or other races, but I can guarantee you we don't have issues with girls amongst the Asian race.

Then you can talk about the Asians that live in East SJ. The gangstas.... Many of my Viet friends come from East SJ, and those Asians are NOT the same Asians I'm used to hanging out with. I don't really know these Asians as well though as I did not grow up around them.

Then you have the FOBS. These are the ones that are ultra fobs and sing K all the time and speak their native language, etc.

Ok there's like a bajillion types of Asians but if you are Asian American like me, you can probably identify a few of them that I did already.

Straight A's? Almost. 4.35 HS GPA. Sports? I swam. A lot of us swam or played badminton or bball, tennis.. blah blah. Debate team? Check. Business club? Check. Volunteer? Check. SAT Prep? Hahaha yes. Math tutoring? Yes. Cheating? Ehh if you call getting last year's exams cheating, then maybe. But here's the twist. If we're so smart and we get sent to prep classes all the time, do we really need to cheat? I got a 97% in Calc which put me at #4 out of all the seniors/juniors taking it, and so what? If I cheated I could've gotten a 99, but I don't see the need there.

So to answer your question, yes. The typical Asian kid at our school was smart, but it really depends where you came from. My cousin is outdoing me in every respect and at his school he's one of the few Asians.

Edit: For the record I came from an elementary school that was 97% Asian. My high school was about 2/3 Asian, and there was a WSJ article called The New White Flight about my HS. Here it is: http://www.cjdomproductions.co.../theNewWhiteFlight.pdf Oh and now I'm at Berkeley where the amazingly low 40% Asian population adds so much diversity because for the first time I'm meeting non Asians =P
 
Originally posted by: RKS
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.

1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.

I could go on??

School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.

I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.


exactly, I mean who wants to make 6 figures by working in a professional environment when you can lead an entire crew through lunch and dinner service. That's a lot more satisfying than a stupid piece paper from a silly college.

:laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Scouzer
We didn't have any Asians at my school. Nor any blacks... or Indians...

In fact, my school was 100% white.

Mine too. Except for the occasional exchange student. And this one black kid that came for a few weeks then left.
 
most asians at my HS were smart and for some strange reason had white girl fetishes.

Its odd bringing an asian girl to dinner when all your asian friends brought white girls. Its like my bad...i guess i didn't read the memo....
 
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: RKS
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.

1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.

I could go on??

School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.

I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.


exactly, I mean who wants to make 6 figures by working in a professional environment when you can lead an entire crew through lunch and dinner service. That's a lot more satisfying than a stupid piece paper from a silly college.

:laugh:

I honestly like the idea of making 6 figures based on my hardgained expertise alone. It sucks to bust your ass in class for 4-5 years and then work for a company that hardly uses any of your hard earned knowledge. Everyone touts leadership and a good majority of people think they have what it takes. Instead of wasting my time competing with these people, I rather be an expert at something and make a lot of money focusing on things people find difficult to understand or learn. It's harder to take those things away. Could always branch out later. Of course, I'm not throwing out leadership altogether, but I value my education highly 🙂
 
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: RKS
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.

1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.

I could go on??

School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.

I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.


exactly, I mean who wants to make 6 figures by working in a professional environment when you can lead an entire crew through lunch and dinner service. That's a lot more satisfying than a stupid piece paper from a silly college.

:laugh:

TBH leadership is great, and it leads many to great places, but look at the AVERAGES. If the average Asian kid is going to be an engineer, doctor, lawyer, or businessman, those are all 6 figure incomes. If your AVERAGE Non-Asian spends time dicking around college till he/she finds something he/she likes, chances are you aren't going to be better off. But there are chances that one might discover something and become someone great, and see that's why we talk about the American dream. It's wonderful to become a Bill Gates, but how many of us are there that will be billionares.


The Asian methodology of forcing kids into those professions works only if you have interest in those fields. Me? I love engineering, so I'm fine with it. I think it's better to know that you can live well off as an engineer and be fine in life. I think no matter what we develop on our own. Even if our parents instill a lot of crap into us, it just means it takes us longer to develop as individuals. In teh end, everyone learns to become independent, but by then I know I'll be making the bucks as an engineer while you might have just finished traveling the world and finding out that you would like to finish your rhetoric degree and possibly try out law school.
 
Originally posted by: maddogchen
most asians at my HS were smart and for some strange reason had white girl fetishes.

Its odd bringing an asian girl to dinner when all your asian friends brought white girls. Its like my bad...i guess i didn't read the memo....

Me think it's that inferiority complex acting up. "See, I am so good I can go out with white chicks." ...
 
Asians made up something like 35-40% of my HS. There was pretty much no doubt that they dominated academics. But they weren't socially/athletically inept or anything like that. On the contrary, pretty much all ASB officers were Asians, there were many asians in clubs, and about half of the basketball players were Asian, too.
 
I don't remember much from my HS days due to partying (see the LSD thread) but I know the school district that we are in is about 98% cockasian (sic) and all of the top academic performers seem to be Asian (far east / Indian).

I have given my kids broad discretion as far as their career paths. They can be a doctor, lawyer, or even an engineer (as long as they get their PhD). 😀

My brother and I were actually the black sheep of our family; every one of my 4 uncles on my father's side had 2 children. We were the only family without at least one doctor. 🙁
But whether you count success by social skills/adjustment or well paying occupations; my brother and I still came out on top.
 
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
they're the ones that everyone cheats off of, straight A's in class (esp math).
they're on the math team, chess team, debate team, etc.

but, they weren't the most social, not on any of the sports teams, and not popular with the girls.

was that your typical asian kid in hs?

Oh, you're talking to me. And social? Uhhh, I think you havent been around enough Asians to know that we Asians divide into many groups.

If you're talking to the Chinese/Cantonese/Taiwanese crowd that are ABCs with parents who are rich engineers and move their kids to the good schools, we ABCs are very social. We network in our group of Asians, and if you go to college, this is probably the group that runs the Asian American Association, or the ABA, or those Asian business frats, and possibly reaching into the Asian sororities/frats. This is a huge group at least where I'm from. As for girls, I think we're pretty good with the girls. Maybe we're not good with WHITE girls or other races, but I can guarantee you we don't have issues with girls amongst the Asian race.

Then you can talk about the Asians that live in East SJ. The gangstas.... Many of my Viet friends come from East SJ, and those Asians are NOT the same Asians I'm used to hanging out with. I don't really know these Asians as well though as I did not grow up around them.

Then you have the FOBS. These are the ones that are ultra fobs and sing K all the time and speak their native language, etc.

Ok there's like a bajillion types of Asians but if you are Asian American like me, you can probably identify a few of them that I did already.

Straight A's? Almost. 4.35 HS GPA. Sports? I swam. A lot of us swam or played badminton or bball, tennis.. blah blah. Debate team? Check. Business club? Check. Volunteer? Check. SAT Prep? Hahaha yes. Math tutoring? Yes. Cheating? Ehh if you call getting last year's exams cheating, then maybe. But here's the twist. If we're so smart and we get sent to prep classes all the time, do we really need to cheat? I got a 97% in Calc which put me at #4 out of all the seniors/juniors taking it, and so what? If I cheated I could've gotten a 99, but I don't see the need there.

So to answer your question, yes. The typical Asian kid at our school was smart, but it really depends where you came from. My cousin is outdoing me in every respect and at his school he's one of the few Asians.

Edit: For the record I came from an elementary school that was 97% Asian. My high school was about 2/3 Asian, and there was a WSJ article called The New White Flight about my HS. Here it is: http://www.cjdomproductions.co.../theNewWhiteFlight.pdf Oh and now I'm at Berkeley where the amazingly low 40% Asian population adds so much diversity because for the first time I'm meeting non Asians =P

East SJ Asians. LOL. You mean Story/Mckee Rd.? Viet gangstaz.

I think you summed up the different 'type' of asians up pretty well. The ABCs in the silicon valley typically come from wealthy, upper-middle class families with engineer/professional parents that push academics and demand good schools.

Aside from that, there are differences among asian ethnicities. For example, Eastern Asian groups in America (Chinese, Japanese, Korea) and Indians generally have very high socioeconomic status on average. Contrast this with Southeast Asian groups and you have a very different socioeconomic picture (Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian, Thai, etc, etc.). There was an SJMercury article with statistics that showed the contrast to be pretty significant. With something like 80%+ of students of East Asian descent having their parents pay for their college tuition, versus only <10% for Southeast Asians.
 
Originally posted by: LongCoolMother
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
they're the ones that everyone cheats off of, straight A's in class (esp math).
they're on the math team, chess team, debate team, etc.

but, they weren't the most social, not on any of the sports teams, and not popular with the girls.

was that your typical asian kid in hs?

Oh, you're talking to me. And social? Uhhh, I think you havent been around enough Asians to know that we Asians divide into many groups.

If you're talking to the Chinese/Cantonese/Taiwanese crowd that are ABCs with parents who are rich engineers and move their kids to the good schools, we ABCs are very social. We network in our group of Asians, and if you go to college, this is probably the group that runs the Asian American Association, or the ABA, or those Asian business frats, and possibly reaching into the Asian sororities/frats. This is a huge group at least where I'm from. As for girls, I think we're pretty good with the girls. Maybe we're not good with WHITE girls or other races, but I can guarantee you we don't have issues with girls amongst the Asian race.

Then you can talk about the Asians that live in East SJ. The gangstas.... Many of my Viet friends come from East SJ, and those Asians are NOT the same Asians I'm used to hanging out with. I don't really know these Asians as well though as I did not grow up around them.

Then you have the FOBS. These are the ones that are ultra fobs and sing K all the time and speak their native language, etc.

Ok there's like a bajillion types of Asians but if you are Asian American like me, you can probably identify a few of them that I did already.

Straight A's? Almost. 4.35 HS GPA. Sports? I swam. A lot of us swam or played badminton or bball, tennis.. blah blah. Debate team? Check. Business club? Check. Volunteer? Check. SAT Prep? Hahaha yes. Math tutoring? Yes. Cheating? Ehh if you call getting last year's exams cheating, then maybe. But here's the twist. If we're so smart and we get sent to prep classes all the time, do we really need to cheat? I got a 97% in Calc which put me at #4 out of all the seniors/juniors taking it, and so what? If I cheated I could've gotten a 99, but I don't see the need there.

So to answer your question, yes. The typical Asian kid at our school was smart, but it really depends where you came from. My cousin is outdoing me in every respect and at his school he's one of the few Asians.

Edit: For the record I came from an elementary school that was 97% Asian. My high school was about 2/3 Asian, and there was a WSJ article called The New White Flight about my HS. Here it is: http://www.cjdomproductions.co.../theNewWhiteFlight.pdf Oh and now I'm at Berkeley where the amazingly low 40% Asian population adds so much diversity because for the first time I'm meeting non Asians =P

East SJ Asians. LOL. You mean Story/Mckee Rd.? Viet gangstaz.

I think you summed up the different 'type' of asians up pretty well. The ABCs in the silicon valley typically come from wealthy, upper-middle class families with engineer/professional parents that push academics and demand good schools.

Ok they're not really gangstas, but when you compare them to the Asians I refer to that go to my HS (Monta Vista), yeah they would compare to gangstas. Would they stand up to the Oakland gangs that I drove past last Thursday evening? Nope. Hahahaha... But it's amazing coming to Berkeley and just meeting all the different Asians and then discovering how many breeds of us there are.
 
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.

1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.

I could go on??

School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.

I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.

I think your spliting hairs here. Going to school for something like a medical doctor is pretty extrodnary. I mean if you graduate and practice you would make 6 figures easily. Probably in the 200's or so. Is 200 considered low???? The health systems in a lot of these thrid world counteries (India) is not up to par with the US. They don't go to school to live in their country. They most likely go to school to come here and take jobs that pay much more then if they did the same thing in their country. In effect the brain drain the us is experiencing. We hate immigrants (I don't personally). But yet they come here to fine cures for the cold and research that benefits us.
 
Originally posted by: DLeRium
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: RKS
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
There are some quite big cultural differences between ?Asian? peoples and many Americans.

1. Asians are taught from the very beginning as children that education is very important and you can?t get far without it. Their elementary school is like our Middle and their middle is like our High.
2. In the United States a typical average adolescent male is more concerned with who is on his AIM list, MySpace, American Idol and a his personal sexual encounters rather then his studies and future (these are secondary). The belief is those teen years are supposed to be all about experiencing life. This translates to do what?s fun. Not what?s beneficial? The typical adolescent female has similar mindset.
3. A High School drop out who owns the new dodge charger has a higher chance of getting laid then the young biologist working on the cure for HIV. This just propagates the ?brain drain? we have in this country.

I could go on??

School systems are fundamentally different. In many Asian countries, you decide what you want to do while in high school. In the US, that is not the case. Education is still more general and less specialized until college.

I think that a lot of the values that Asians instill in their kids is excellent, but some of it is actually detrimental to the development of the child and the growth of the community as a whole. In their home countries perhaps you must be a doctor or engineer to survive. However, that doesn't translate well into the US. Leadership takes you much farther than that engineer or doctor degree.


exactly, I mean who wants to make 6 figures by working in a professional environment when you can lead an entire crew through lunch and dinner service. That's a lot more satisfying than a stupid piece paper from a silly college.

:laugh:

TBH leadership is great, and it leads many to great places, but look at the AVERAGES. If the average Asian kid is going to be an engineer, doctor, lawyer, or businessman, those are all 6 figure incomes. If your AVERAGE Non-Asian spends time dicking around college till he/she finds something he/she likes, chances are you aren't going to be better off. But there are chances that one might discover something and become someone great, and see that's why we talk about the American dream. It's wonderful to become a Bill Gates, but how many of us are there that will be billionares.


The Asian methodology of forcing kids into those professions works only if you have interest in those fields. Me? I love engineering, so I'm fine with it. I think it's better to know that you can live well off as an engineer and be fine in life. I think no matter what we develop on our own. Even if our parents instill a lot of crap into us, it just means it takes us longer to develop as individuals. In teh end, everyone learns to become independent, but by then I know I'll be making the bucks as an engineer while you might have just finished traveling the world and finding out that you would like to finish your rhetoric degree and possibly try out law school.

It's not FORCED. It's lessons learned. These kinds are taught at an early age that education is very important (call it brainwashing). The same way kids here in the US are brainwashed by their peers to think sex at the age of 13 is OK. They have interest in their fields.

 
Originally posted by: Scouzer
We didn't have any Asians at my school. Nor any blacks... or Indians...

In fact, my school was 100% white.
Same with my schooling, from elementary to high school. Maybe one or two black kids, that's about it, rest were white.
 
I don't know whether they were any smarter than anyone else but they sure as hell had a better study and work ethic than the non asian kids.
 
smart? maybe. certainly hard working. whether they were born here or not, their parents most likely weren't.

when i was in elementary school, the library would be packed full of asian kids, all of them choosing to be there. thanks to boston's forced bussing, my schools had the entire rainbow of students.
 
Some were great students. Others weren't.

Case in Point:
One Chinese kid I knew blew us out of the water in terms of smarts. Aced the tests with little preparation and no note taking, but DIDN'T do his homework (2.1 GPA). TOO LAZY to do homework! He was always with the rough crowd and trying to date white girls. He was chubby, but it didn't stop him from trying....gotta give the kid credit!! He ended up at Devry (which he was really proud of--no kidding!!). Had he applied himself, he could have easily been Valedictorian and gone to a top school. If he applies himself later in life, he could catch up....hopefully he will!

TRUTH in these Generalizations:
Asians are hard working but NOT smarter.
Are good workers b/c they don't deal in the political BS/socializing as much as white employees do (i.e. EFFICIENT).
They have little self esteem when it comes to socializing outside of their race but do just fine in theirs.
They have NO BALLS when standing up to their parents.....

...ONLY Asian Kid I Knew Who Stood Up (and paid for it):
One Asian sibling was the ugly duckling of the family. He didn't study medicine like his parents (who were #1 in their undergrad/grad classes)....he studied a low pay creative major. He had a 2.7 GPA at a prestigious university (he was more into quality of life). In comparison, his brother was Valedictorian at his university and went to a top med school.. The family put the university valedictorian medal on the brother's picture frame on top of the TV. The sibling's picture was in the back lower shelf. Are these fool parents trying to say something here? The kid got the message and he distanced himself from them as being unworthy of their academic superiority. He always acted like the Omega dog of the pack while he was around them. The father always looked at him with scorn.
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: maddogchen
most asians at my HS were smart and for some strange reason had white girl fetishes.

Its odd bringing an asian girl to dinner when all your asian friends brought white girls. Its like my bad...i guess i didn't read the memo....

Me think it's that inferiority complex acting up. "See, I am so good I can go out with white chicks." ...

lol...

It's mainly the "abc" ones that do that. Most of the "abc"s I know started with white guys/gals for their SO. One of my friends (girl) even said she would never go out with asian dudes. I don't know what the rationale behind all of it is, but I got ideas.

As to the original question, most of my HS was asian (most culturally 'diverse' city in the country). You could literally count the number of non-asians in most of my classes on one hand, and they were all at the "top" of the school. And most seemed phony, which is par for the course anyways.
 
Originally posted by: Imp
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: maddogchen
most asians at my HS were smart and for some strange reason had white girl fetishes.

Its odd bringing an asian girl to dinner when all your asian friends brought white girls. Its like my bad...i guess i didn't read the memo....

Me think it's that inferiority complex acting up. "See, I am so good I can go out with white chicks." ...

lol...

It's mainly the "abc" ones that do that. Most of the "abc"s I know started with white guys/gals for their SO. One of my friends (girl) even said she would never go out with asian dudes. I don't know what the rationale behind all of it is, but I got ideas.

I know a girl like that. Says mixed (caucasian/asian) offspring are so much cuter.




Her kid is ugly. :laugh:
its the genes, not the mix.
 
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