Are sanctuary cities/states traitors to the union?

[Moonbeam]

Yeah, we all know that the really smart people are the ones unable to fund their own health care, education, contraception, day care . . .

So THATS why you imagine I think I'm superior. Oh Jesus!

 

[werepossum]

So THATS why you imagine I think I'm superior. Oh Jesus!

lol Nope, I think you think you are superior because nearly everything you post is a mixture of telling everyone how superior you are and dire predictions of world collapse if everyone doesn't do exactly as you wish. Gotta give you credit though - it can't be easy to devote one arm solely to patting yourself on the back whilst also holding up that incredibly swelled head.

But hey, I still love you.

 

[boomerang]

Sen. Tom Cotton Introduces Legislation to Block "Sanctuary Cities" from Federal Law Enforcement Grants

This sounds like a very reasonable solution. If cities wish to ignore the law, then why should they receive federal funding for law enforcement? They shouldn't need funding for something they're not doing. The bonus of course is for the cop haters who will revel in the reductions in law enforcement associated manpower required by these municipalities. We have a broad social safety net in place that will step in and support those that will lose their employment.

Pretty much everybody wins. Taxpayer dollars can be used for other purposes. Sanctuary Cities can continue their policies. Those losing employment can enjoy the freedom that unemployment provides and those here illegally can continue to reap the rewards of an existence free from persecution.

 

[fskimospy]

Sen. Tom Cotton Introduces Legislation to Block "Sanctuary Cities" from Federal Law Enforcement Grants

This sounds like a very reasonable solution. If cities wish to ignore the law, then why should they receive federal funding for law enforcement? They shouldn't need funding for something they're not doing. The bonus of course is for the cop haters who will revel in the reductions in law enforcement associated manpower required by these municipalities. We have a broad social safety net in place that will step in and support those that will lose their employment.

Pretty much everybody wins. Taxpayer dollars can be used for other purposes. Sanctuary Cities can continue their policies. Those losing employment can enjoy the freedom that unemployment provides and those here illegally can continue to reap the rewards of an existence free from persecution.

Lol. Small government conservatives strike again!

 

[Jaskalas]

Lol. Small government conservatives strike again!

On the matter of national security, the border should be secured if a majority desire that the US maintain its national sovereignty. Just because there are opponents among us does not mean we should abandon that principle. The only issue is how pervasive the breach is and how deep and meaningful solutions to address it have to be.

Simply wagging our fingers at fallen cities isn't going to cut it. There remains an open border and a population in the 10s of millions already on this side of it. Their children are automatically granted citizenship even if they aren't integrated at all. We have to address integration, securing the border, and securing employment against illegal activity.

Failing to uphold our national sovereignty would ensure a balkanized country torn apart by secession down the road. Though admittedly, given recent displays of pure hatred and bigotry against an entire region such as the South, my desire to see our Union maintained is in question. Perhaps the fostering of a foreign population is a means to an end.

Is the end of the Union something you want to see?

 

[theeedude]

Sanctuary cities are not the border. Open a map sometimes.

 

[theeedude]

Also, didn't SCOTUS rule that the federal government can't use threat of withholding funds to get states do adopt its policies, in the case of Medicaid expansion under Obamacare?

 

[cabri]

Also, didn't SCOTUS rule that the federal government can't use threat of withholding funds to get states do adopt its policies, in the case of Medicaid expansion under Obamacare?

Cities are not States

 

[werepossum]

Sen. Tom Cotton Introduces Legislation to Block "Sanctuary Cities" from Federal Law Enforcement Grants

This sounds like a very reasonable solution. If cities wish to ignore the law, then why should they receive federal funding for law enforcement? They shouldn't need funding for something they're not doing. The bonus of course is for the cop haters who will revel in the reductions in law enforcement associated manpower required by these municipalities. We have a broad social safety net in place that will step in and support those that will lose their employment.

Pretty much everybody wins. Taxpayer dollars can be used for other purposes. Sanctuary Cities can continue their policies. Those losing employment can enjoy the freedom that unemployment provides and those here illegally can continue to reap the rewards of an existence free from persecution.

Agreed, it's a very simple and sensible solution.

 

[ivwshane]

I thought this was an appropriate article for the topic:

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/sanctuary-cities-public-safety-kate-steinle-san-francisco

 

[LegendKiller]

I thought this was an appropriate article for the topic:

http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/sanctuary-cities-public-safety-kate-steinle-san-francisco

Yes, let's ignore gentrification, economic groth and wealth flowing into cities like San Fran and just assign attribution to sanctuary status. That's a fucking failure in statistical analysis 101.

Then, let's ignore the obfuscation of "immigrant" and *illegal* immigrant status. Third, let's ignore that the fbi crime database doesn't break out whites and latinos. Finally, let's ignore that there is no nationwide illegal immigrant rime database.


So yeah, bullshit analysis is bullshit

 

[ivwshane]

Yes, let's ignore gentrification, economic groth and wealth flowing into cities like San Fran and just assign attribution to sanctuary status. That's a fucking failure in statistical analysis 101.

Then, let's ignore the obfuscation of "immigrant" and *illegal* immigrant status. Third, let's ignore that the fbi crime database doesn't break out whites and latinos. Finally, let's ignore that there is no nationwide illegal immigrant rime database.


So yeah, bullshit analysis is bullshit

Ahh but claiming the exact opposite is ok. Gotcha!

/s

 

[LegendKiller]

Ahh but claiming the exact opposite is ok. Gotcha!

/s

The exact opposite is logical. When people are criminals they commit crimes.

But Liberals are OK with that, why do you think they are OK with Billery? Subpoena? No worries!

 

[ivwshane]

The exact opposite is logical. When people are criminals they commit crimes.

But Liberals are OK with that, why do you think they are OK with Billery? Subpoena? No worries!

Wow! You are an idiot!

 

[LegendKiller]

Wow! You are an idiot!

Wow, great retort.

 

[cabri]

Wow! You are an idiot!

great retort.

This is his standard practice. Insult when cornered

 

[ivwshane]

Wow, great retort.

What would you like me to address? Your use of a logical fallacy of "common sense"?

You dismissed the authors points and some how you think that proves the opposite point. Sorry, no.

 

[LegendKiller]

What would you like me to address? Your use of a logical fallacy of "common sense"?

You dismissed the authors points and some how you think that proves the opposite point. Sorry, no.

Common sense is a logical fallacy?


Wow, you must suck at life.

 

[LegendKiller]

What would you like me to address? Your use of a logical fallacy of "common sense"?

You dismissed the authors points and some how you think that proves the opposite point. Sorry, no.

The author is a blatant fool that uses conflated topics to obfuscate reality.

 

[ivwshane]

Common sense is a logical fallacy?


Wow, you must suck at life.

Yeah it is you fucking moron!

http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm

Bandwagon (also, Argument from Common Sense, Argumentum ad Populum): The fallacy of arguing that because "everyone" supposedly thinks or does something, it must be right. E.g., "Everyone knows that undocumented aliens ought to be kicked out!" Sometimes also includes Lying with Statistics, e.g. “Surveys show that over 75% of Americans believe Senator Snith is not telling the truth. For anyone with half a brain, that conclusively proves he’s a dirty liar!”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

But what do I know, I suck at life! /s


What a fucking idiot!

 

[LegendKiller]

Yeah it is you fucking moron!

http://utminers.utep.edu/omwilliamson/ENGL1311/fallacies.htm



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

But what do I know, I suck at life! /s


What a fucking idiot!

Ohh, I know it is one of those "formal" logical fallacies. Yet, somehow, it's ironic that you actually do lack any common sense.


But please, do tell me exactly how these cities are safer if they have criminals in them? Furthermore, please tell me WHY these people are using obfuscated and deliberately conflated data to back up a nonsensical position?

I guess MS-13 members are just the legal immigrants, right?

Take a look at Chicago. Under the FBI crime database it'd have 53 "white" murders. Yet 43 of those are hispanic. Furthermore, Chicago is safer than DC, which is one of the "safest" cities in the world.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...os-angeles-chicago-are-safer-than-washington/

Yet there are many murders. Especially black on black and hispanic murders.

Why are these cities safer? Because many areas are gentrified while the remainder are not so great.

A real study would look at purely illegal immigrants and compare their crime rates vs the entire population, controlled for gang activity.

We know that the % of illegals in US prisons are much larger than the general population of the US.

 

[ivwshane]

Ohh, I know it is one of those "formal" logical fallacies. Yet, somehow, it's ironic that you actually do lack any common sense.


But please, do tell me exactly how these cities are safer if they have criminals in them? Furthermore, please tell me WHY these people are using obfuscated and deliberately conflated data to back up a nonsensical position?

I guess MS-13 members are just the legal immigrants, right?

Take a look at Chicago. Under the FBI crime database it'd have 53 "white" murders. Yet 43 of those are hispanic. Furthermore, Chicago is safer than DC, which is one of the "safest" cities in the world.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...os-angeles-chicago-are-safer-than-washington/

Yet there are many murders. Especially black on black and hispanic murders.

Why are these cities safer? Because many areas are gentrified while the remainder are not so great.

A real study would look at purely illegal immigrants and compare their crime rates vs the entire population, controlled for gang activity.

We know that the % of illegals in US prisons are much larger than the general population of the US.

So when I say you have no problem with people claiming the exact opposite of what the article claims, instead of showing how they are correct using studies based on the criteria you mention, you double down and repeat your claim, one that I never said was wrong?

We call that a deflection.

Keep on keeping on, moron!

 

[LegendKiller]

So when I say you have no problem with people claiming the exact opposite of what the article claims, instead of showing how they are correct using studies based on the criteria you mention, you double down and repeat your claim, one that I never said was wrong?

We call that a deflection.

Keep on keeping on, moron!

There are no studies on the criteria I mentioned. Please show me exactly where the FBI tracks crime committed by illegal aliens.

I will ask again, why aren't they tracked?

You would think that if there were a bunch of people here illegally, committing crimes, that our federal government would have a vested interest in protecting its own citizens.

Isn't that logical?

But nobody tracks it.

WHY?

 

[soulcougher73]

Yeah, we all know that the really smart people are the ones unable to fund their own health care, education, contraception, day care . . .

Why you dissing on your fellow TN peeps like that...

 

[First]

There are no studies on the criteria I mentioned. Please show me exactly where the FBI tracks crime committed by illegal aliens.

I will ask again, why aren't they tracked?

You would think that if there were a bunch of people here illegally, committing crimes, that our federal government would have a vested interest in protecting its own citizens.

Isn't that logical?

But nobody tracks it.

WHY?

Huh? Is there any evidence whatsover that "Illegals!" are any different than legal immigrants in their tendencies toward crime? Because there's plenty of evidence legal immigrants commit crimes at no different a rate than the native-born population. So the real question is, what makes you think "Illegals!" are any different than legal immigrants? Seriously, I want to know myself.