Are sanctuary cities/states traitors to the union?

[MongGrel]

The city will pay it gladly would be my guess. And there will be no change in their position on harboring illegals. It's important to do what is "right" even if it is wrong.

This scumbucket was deported five times already. While here, he committed seven felonies. Now, the taxpayers will get to pay to defend him on a murder charge to further add to the legal costs they have incurred on his behalf. If found guilty, he will become yet another illegal taking up space and resources in our prison system. Three hots and a cot along with clothing and medical care for the rest of his days. And this case is far from being an isolated incident.

Hillary, Feinstein and Boxer have declared that he should have been deported this last time. The sixth time is what, the charm? Deportations have no value without a secure border and this murdering piece of shit is living breathing proof.

There is no logic in the methodologies of the progressive left. When, if ever will we put a stop to it?

I still get all this left shit.

That guy was probably there from back when Reagan was in office probably.

Blah blah blah.

 

[FerrelGeek]

Holy shit are you amazingly stupid.

More batshit insane racist comments like these, please.

Feel free to disagree with him, but nothing he said was racist. Speaking disparagingly against how one perceives Obama's actions in office isn't (in and of itself) racist.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Cute spin. Sanctuary cities/states aren't exercising States Rights - they are traitors to the Union.

You guys need to stop pretending you have issues with Big Brother - you clearly don't. You are perfectly OK with big entities deciding how others should live their lives, provided that lifestyle is in agreement with your views and 'morals'.

Cut the crap already.

 

[NesuD]

Sounds like right wingers are trying to pull this Willie Horton distraction on America all over again.

Except Willie Horton was a left wing distraction used against their own during the primary. Al Gore was the first to throw the support for the Massachusetts furlough program issue at Dukakis during a primary debate. Right wingers later just ran with what Gore dropped in their laps. If you are going to throw mud make sure you know whose mud you are actually throwing.

 

[fskimospy]

Except Willie Horton was a left wing distraction used against their own during the primary. Al Gore was the first to throw the support for the Massachusetts furlough program issue at Dukakis during a primary debate. Right wingers later just ran with what Gore dropped in their laps. If you are going to throw mud make sure you know whose mud you are actually throwing.

Wrong. Al Gore asked a question about the program and never mentioned Willie Horton, and regardless bringing up the furlough program is irrelevant to the issue anyway. What made the Willie Horton thing shameful wasn't that someone criticized the furlough program, it was the racist, fearmongering nature of the ad that conservative groups made to attack Dukakis.

If you are going to call someone out for getting their facts wrong, make sure you have your facts right first.

 

[sm625]

I don't think there are 11 million illegals in the US.. If there's 3 million in just NYC.. I think the actual figure is closer to 35 million.

Even that is a lowball estimate. It is probably over 50 million by now, given the flow rates the last few years.

 

[fskimospy]

Even that is a lowball estimate. It is probably over 50 million by now, given the flow rates the last few years.

Not even close. There are about 12 million illegal immigrants in the US by the best available estimates and the 'flow rate' has been flat or negative in recent years. (although it may be rising again now) Hell, there aren't even 50 million foreign born people living in the US. There also aren't 3 million illegal immigrants in NYC. That would mean about 40% of the population of the city was illegal immigrants. Ridiculous.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/24/us/immigrant-population-shows-signs-of-growth-estimates-show.html

By the way as an aside, when are the feds taking GDPNow offline? Can you admit that conspiracy theory was crazy before starting a new one about illegal immigration?

 

[xBiffx]

I think its a fools errand to try to nail down a figure that by definition isn't accountable. I would say the number could be very debatable. But even at 12 million, that's a serious number.

 

[fskimospy]

I think its a fools errand to try to nail down a figure that by definition isn't accountable. I would say the number could be very debatable. But even at 12 million, that's a serious number.

The exact number is definitely debatable, but 50 million is an absurd estimate that I've seen absolutely no factual basis for. 3 million illegal immigrants in a city of 8.7 million people is also ridiculous.

12 million people is a very serious number though, I agree. I hope we end up doing something about it.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Feds (generally) can't compel state entities to AID them in the enforcement of federal law/policy, but the feds can bar states from INHIBITING the enforcement of federal law/policy.

Arizona was found to be inhibiting federal immigration policy, which is why its law was unconstitutional. Choosing not to use state resources to enforce federal laws they don't like is within the purview of a state.

Thank you. That cleared it up for me.

 

[dank69]

Feel free to disagree with him, but nothing he said was racist. Speaking disparagingly against how one perceives Obama's actions in office isn't (in and of itself) racist.

I think that saying the rule of law was only supported by white men is pretty fucking racist, but that's just the flaming liberal in me talking.

 

[boomerang]

Here's another illegal who committed a heinous crime when he should never have been here in the first place.

Teen Mother and Her 3-Year Old Are Murdered-But the Prime Suspect Never Should Have Been Here

A brutal double murder has rocked the small Washington community of Connell. The victims were an 18-year-old mom and her 3-year-old son.

Maria G. Cruiz-Calvillo and Luis F. Lopez-Cruz have been identified as the homicide victims. The perpetrator set fire to their car in an effort to cover up the crime.

Authorities say that it is likely that the 3-year-old boy was still alive when the car was set aflame.

Fragos-Ramirez has a history of bad behavior, with multiple DUI charges on his record.

Prosecutors also say he’s an illegal immigrant who was deported in 2014. He must have snuck back into the country illegally.

A history of bad behavior ...

 

[FerrelGeek]

I think that saying the rule of law was only supported by white men is pretty fucking racist, but that's just the flaming liberal in me talking.

I was referring to the tired old line that criticizing Obama == racism.

 

[senseamp]

Here Republicans go with the Hispanics are murderers and rapists again. Just nominate Donald Trump already, he'll build that wall for you.

 

[ivwshane]

Here's another illegal who committed a heinous crime when he should never have been here in the first place.

Teen Mother and Her 3-Year Old Are Murdered-But the Prime Suspect Never Should Have Been Here

A history of bad behavior ...

Shall I start posting horrendous crimes committed by US citizens as well? Perhaps I can keep it to only posting about white Americans doing heinous things. Would that resonate with you? Of course not!


Ironically the story your dumbass linked to said he was deported.

 

[dank69]

I was referring to the tired old line that criticizing Obama == racism.

That would be a straw man.

 

[CitizenKain]

Oklahoma is leaving the ten commandments in place. They told the state supreme court to fuck off. The rule of law is an anachronism that harkens back to the days when old white men ruled the nation. The nation is heading in a new direction led by our leader Barack Obama. He has set the tone and others are following suit. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Rules are meant to be broken. Let anarchy rein.

So white bigots breaking the law is because of a black guy? The filth in the OK government will get an important lesson in how the law works. They might not learn though, since republicans are generally really stupid people.

On the other hand, we'll maybe get the Baphomet statue going, at least until a rightwing bigot destroys it.

 

[werepossum]

So white bigots breaking the law is because of a black guy? The filth in the OK government will get an important lesson in how the law works. They might not learn though, since republicans are generally really stupid people.

On the other hand, we'll maybe get the Baphomet statue going, at least until a rightwing bigot destroys it.

Yeah, we all know that the really smart people are the ones unable to fund their own health care, education, contraception, day care . . .

 

[nickqt]

Feel free to disagree with him, but nothing he said was racist. Speaking disparagingly against how one perceives Obama's actions in office isn't (in and of itself) racist.

Hilarious.

Oklahoma is leaving the ten commandments in place. They told the state supreme court to fuck off. The rule of law is an anachronism that harkens back to the days when old white men ruled the nation. The nation is heading in a new direction led by our leader Barack Obama. He has set the tone and others are following suit. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Rules are meant to be broken. Let anarchy rein.

Before Obama, all laws were followed. Because white men ran the country.

Today, a non-white man runs the country.

Totally not racist. At all. You're totally right.

 

[senseamp]

What's beautiful about this story is it hits all the buttons of racist right wingers.

 

[boomerang]

So white bigots breaking the law is because of a black guy? The filth in the OK government will get an important lesson in how the law works. They might not learn though, since republicans are generally really stupid people.

On the other hand, we'll maybe get the Baphomet statue going, at least until a rightwing bigot destroys it.

You're less than bright and if you're open to suggestions, mine for you would be to not be so vocal about it.

Let's break down your post.

So white bigots breaking the law is because of a black guy?

White bigots? Where did that come from? That sounds like something some racist would come up with as filler material when trying to say something with some semblance of intelligence escaped them. Early immigrants used to do that when their English was still marginal but they had learned the English version of every cuss word ever invented. But by way of explanation, Obama has ignored the rule of law on a number of occasions as has the DOJ and other government agencies during his tenure. The boss sets the tone. If the boss ignores the law when he wishes, others can make the assumption that they can too. You should have very easily have been able to put all that together without an explanation. But as I've already stated, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.

The filth in the OK government will get an important lesson in how the law works.

The filth? Are you high? Wait, off your meds? On your meds? You've got a lot of anger coursing within you. Makes me wonder why I'm replying to you at all.

They might not learn though, since republicans are generally really stupid people.

Hmm, pot meet kettle? You come across as a very troubled individual.

Well, no sense commenting on that last sentence because that's way too whacked out to make it worth the effort. But best of luck to you.

 

[senseamp]

You'd think between the Confederate flag and Donald Trump situations, right wing media like Fox would get the hint of not stroking racial tensions. But ratings are ratings.

 

[soundforbjt]

You'd think between the Confederate flag and Donald Trump situations, right wing media like Fox would get the hint of not stroking racial tensions. But ratings are ratings.

And it's keeps the base riled up, that's what gets them out to vote.

 

[First]

What's beautiful about this story is it hits all the buttons of racist right wingers.

Seriously, this is pretty amazing stuff. How many Presidential elections do they have to lose before they give up the ghost on the Confederate flag and immigration.

 

[senseamp]

And it's keeps the base riled up, that's what gets them out to vote.

Yes, but in the primaries, they are going to vote to nominate some unelectable loser.