Are people who oppose death penalty naive?

[idiotekniQues]

your premise, OP, is pathetic. if you aren't for the death penalty that means you can't sympathize with victims? wtf? that is just way way out there in la la land.

while i really want some of these scumbag criminals to die, personally i am against the death penalty for 2 reasons -

1) too many mistakes in the legal system, you end up killing innocents.
2) i do not feel that giving any government the ability to sanction murder of its own citizens is a good idea. it is an extremely slippery slope.

 

[Brigandier]

I am against the death penalty and for a penal system that actually reforms criminals not give them Phd's in mischief making.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: xj0hnx

Originally posted by: Harvey
[*]It has nothing to do saving money because it costs the state more to execute killers than to warehouse them for life.

No, it doesn't cost more to kill them than lock them up for life, the extra cost are the burden of a death row case, and all the extras that come along with it, extra appleals, prosecutors/defense, lengths for the trials, two trials instead of one (guilt, and then punishment), more time for jurors to be selected, and then once they are convicted, and on death row, there's more appleals, more lawyers, and on, and on. That is a distorted, and disingenuous argument at best.

And we as a country do that because we long ago decided the government executing innocent people is a terrible thing.

If you support the death penalty you should be glad that there are all these safeguards. If it ever turns up and becomes well publicized that various states have executed a bunch of innocent people, wave bye-bye to the death penalty. It will be banned all over the country in no time.

I can't wait for that day, because I would love to leave the prestigious list of countries that have the death penalty, like China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and other beacons of human rights.

 

[Underclocked]

Channon Christian


I am FOR the death penalty. I am against prolonged appeals. I am for positive, irrefutable evidence in order to levy the death penalty.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Underclocked
Channon Christian


I am FOR the death penalty. I am against prolonged appeals. I am for positive, irrefutable evidence in order to levy the death penalty.

I'm pretty sure those goals are in direct opposition with one another. The purpose of prolonged appeals is to establish irrefutable evidence in order to levy the death penalty.

 

[Sinsear]

Hang 'em high

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
Death penalty is not about forgiveness-- it's about providing a dis-incentive to future murderers. I'm not worried about forgiving the current criminals actions, I'm concerned about how this makes a future criminal less likely to restrain himself. Look at China-- hardly any homicides there, you can't get out of a murder no ifs-ands-or-buts.

If you want it to be about forgiveness then you should get a church involved, get the criminal coming, see if he converts and shows some real fruit of change. Otherwise no getting off death penalty; also, esp. if death penalty is cheaper than keeping people in prison for life, then they should be put to death.

Millions of homicides occured in China, and the murderers died of old age.

in the USA we have the death penalty, and plenty of killers. Do states without the death penalty have more killers ? No. We have plenty of killers in states like Texas, Florida.

Did homicide rates increase when the death penalty was unconstitutional for a time ? no.

Looking at the death penalty from the criminals point of view, it's logical to assume the death penalty increases homicides, to eliminate witnesses, not deter killing.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Nobody wants the chance of an innocent man getting the death penalty. I think the death penalty should only be applicable in cases where the evidence is incontrovertable that the accused committed the crime, ie DNA evidence, confessions, etc. .......

These are all things that can be manipulated.

I thought it was pretty much fact the only reason for the death penalty is retribution?

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
We should make the death penalty more painful.

Awww look, a 12 year old is posting again and acting all tough infront of adults.

 

[CitizenKain]

Also, everyone who supports the DP in Texas is now a murderer. Too bad no one down there will take responsibility for this, not that most people there could even spell the word.

Texas executed an innocent man

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Also, everyone who supports the DP in Texas is now a murderer. Too bad no one down there will take responsibility for this, not that most people there could even spell the word.

Texas executed an innocent man

:roll:

 

[Underclocked]

That is a terrible shame. But there are cases where there is no doubt in anyone's mind about what happened - Polly Klaas case for example. Channon Christian case is another.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
We should make the death penalty more painful.

Still waiting for Obama to enact re-education camps for conservatives like tinfoil hat wearing righties were complaining about

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
We should make the death penalty more painful.

Still waiting for Obama to enact re-education camps for conservatives like tinfoil hat wearing righties were complaining about

Im still waiting to hear from these righties who said that

Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on Obama's private meetings with Chavez and Hu Jintao on suggestions on how to run a country.

 

[desy]

"The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes."

William Shakespeare

 

[Ryan]

No, I don't think I'm naive. I would honestly rather see someone convicted of murder sit in a 5x5 cell for the remainder of their life. No bed, just a hole in the ground for them to shit in, and a light. The prisoner will have ample time to reflect on how fucked their life is now, hopefully the isolation will bring them to the psychological breaking point where they WISH they were dead.

Death is an easy out.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
We should make the death penalty more painful.

Still waiting for Obama to enact re-education camps for conservatives like tinfoil hat wearing righties were complaining about

Im still waiting to hear from these righties who said that

Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on Obama's private meetings with Chavez and Hu Jintao on suggestions on how to run a country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...nts-re-e_n_183552.html

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Also, everyone who supports the DP in Texas is now a murderer. Too bad no one down there will take responsibility for this, not that most people there could even spell the word.

Texas executed an innocent man

The possiblity of executing innocent people doesn't mean anything to death penalty tards. They don't understand arguments about ethics, morals or conscience because they don't have any. If you want to change their minds, whack 'em where it hurts them the most -- in the wallet.

Texas DNA exonerees find prosperity after prison

By JEFF CARLTON, Associated Press Writer Jeff Carlton, Associated Press Writer ? Fri Sep 4, 1:13 pm ET

DALLAS ? Thomas McGowan's journey from prison to prosperity is about to culminate in $1.8 million, and he knows just how to spend it: on a house with three bedrooms, stainless steel kitchen appliances and a washer and dryer.

"I'll let my girlfriend pick out the rest," said McGowan, who was exonerated last year based on DNA evidence after spending nearly 23 years in prison for rape and robbery.

He and other exonerees in Texas, which leads the nation in freeing the wrongly convicted, soon will become instant millionaires under a new state law that took effect this week.

Exonerees will get $80,000 for each year they spent behind bars. The compensation also includes lifetime annuity payments that for most of the wrongly convicted are worth between $40,000 and $50,000 a year ? making it by far the nation's most generous package.
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[gingermeggs]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
By the way...

Fund health care via live pay-per-view executions? Yes, our society is that fucked up.

Yessss, save up a dozen or so murders and have them fight to the death!
with randomly placed concussive weapons in a football stadium, charge big money for live seats and corporate boxes, then there's the tv licensing fees'
This could pay for uhc?
The last man standing gets a presidential pardon and corporate gifts- like a fully optioned tundra.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
We should make the death penalty more painful.

Still waiting for Obama to enact re-education camps for conservatives like tinfoil hat wearing righties were complaining about

Im still waiting to hear from these righties who said that

Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on Obama's private meetings with Chavez and Hu Jintao on suggestions on how to run a country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...nts-re-e_n_183552.html

Ah yeah...her comments on Americorps. When I read "rightys", normally the "s" and the end of a word indicates plural, or more than one, and I thought maybe it was some movement of some kind, not a single comment. Thanks for clarifying Good thing for the left no single person has made outlandish comments!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
We should make the death penalty more painful.

Still waiting for Obama to enact re-education camps for conservatives like tinfoil hat wearing righties were complaining about

Im still waiting to hear from these righties who said that

Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on Obama's private meetings with Chavez and Hu Jintao on suggestions on how to run a country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...nts-re-e_n_183552.html

Ah yeah...her comments on Americorps. When I read "rightys", normally the "s" and the end of a word indicates plural, or more than one, and I thought maybe it was some movement of some kind, not a single comment. Thanks for clarifying Good thing for the left no single person has made outlandish comments!

Oh don't worry, there are more people on the right saying the exact same crazy things. (Michelle Malkin, etc)

 

[Rezag3000]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i don't give a flying fuck whether someone wants revenge (justice lol) or not. If someone in my family were murdered/raped, i would hope that noone would listen to me either. The law should be fair, impartial, and respect the rights of the (potentially) innocent, not the rage of a family or individuals loss.

wise words

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
We should make the death penalty more painful.

Still waiting for Obama to enact re-education camps for conservatives like tinfoil hat wearing righties were complaining about

Im still waiting to hear from these righties who said that

Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on Obama's private meetings with Chavez and Hu Jintao on suggestions on how to run a country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...nts-re-e_n_183552.html

Ah yeah...her comments on Americorps. When I read "rightys", normally the "s" and the end of a word indicates plural, or more than one, and I thought maybe it was some movement of some kind, not a single comment. Thanks for clarifying Good thing for the left no single person has made outlandish comments!

Oh don't worry, there are more people on the right saying the exact same crazy things. (Michelle Malkin, etc)

Yeah its crazy when non-elected people like commentators express their opinions isnt it?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
We should make the death penalty more painful.

Still waiting for Obama to enact re-education camps for conservatives like tinfoil hat wearing righties were complaining about

Im still waiting to hear from these righties who said that

Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on Obama's private meetings with Chavez and Hu Jintao on suggestions on how to run a country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...nts-re-e_n_183552.html

Ah yeah...her comments on Americorps. When I read "rightys", normally the "s" and the end of a word indicates plural, or more than one, and I thought maybe it was some movement of some kind, not a single comment. Thanks for clarifying Good thing for the left no single person has made outlandish comments!

Oh don't worry, there are more people on the right saying the exact same crazy things. (Michelle Malkin, etc)

Yeah its crazy when non-elected people like commentators express their opinions isnt it?

No, it's crazy when people say crazy things.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
We should make the death penalty more painful.

Still waiting for Obama to enact re-education camps for conservatives like tinfoil hat wearing righties were complaining about

Im still waiting to hear from these righties who said that

Meanwhile I'll keep an eye on Obama's private meetings with Chavez and Hu Jintao on suggestions on how to run a country.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...nts-re-e_n_183552.html

Ah yeah...her comments on Americorps. When I read "rightys", normally the "s" and the end of a word indicates plural, or more than one, and I thought maybe it was some movement of some kind, not a single comment. Thanks for clarifying Good thing for the left no single person has made outlandish comments!

Oh don't worry, there are more people on the right saying the exact same crazy things. (Michelle Malkin, etc)

Yeah its crazy when non-elected people like commentators express their opinions isnt it?

No, it's crazy when people say crazy things.

I agree. We need to do away with free speech altogether to prevent stupidity from spewing out of 99% of the country's mouth.

Speech Czar?