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Are gays born gay or do they realize it later in life?

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<< technically NOT people, but we'll make believe >>


yeah, whatever



Anyways.....like I said - I don't care whatever you do, as long as both persons are consenting. And as long as the other person isn't a child, animal, or dead 😉
 
The whole concept of having a life long gay relationship or being &quot;bi&quot; are social constructions, so no, you can't be born that way. That's like saying &quot;I was born to be a rapper&quot; or &quot;I was born to be an auto mechanic&quot;. As much as it pleases us to believe such things, you can't be born into socially constructed roles.


 
my thoughts exactly.

its a choice that is made, not that it is a wrong choice or anything wrong with it, but thats the way it is
 
Well Lord Evermore, I like to think that somewhere out there is a member of EITHER sex waiting for me who is not psychotic....

It has taken me 33 years to let go of that dream!

Seriously folks, the bottom line is that it should not really matter if no one is being hurt, abused, or taken advantage of. I have had friends of all persuasions and would never judge them based on sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is secondary to more important things.
 
I believe most people, at some point in their lives, have wondered whether they are gay or not.

We all have the 'potential' to be homosexuals, and because of our religious beliefs, stereotypes, etc, we decide not to experient and go through that experience.

You are the only one who knows whether you are homo or not, you can be gay and still decide not to live a gay lifestyle.
 
And that thing about the &quot;homosexual&quot; rituals in that certain African tribe, you guys are just applying our western social stigma of homosexuality to what's really nothing more than an obscure custom, they're all hetereosexuals.
 
Sex between people of the same sex is homosexual by definition. While they might not be gay, they most certainly are homosexual.
 
littleman, don't worry! 😀

Mr Isla made 2 beautiful cross-stitches that we have framed. He can also fix any darn thing that breaks... we have no need for mechanics nor repair men because my beloved is so handy. 🙂

Kids should learn how to do both 'male' and 'female' things so that they can rise above the prison society puts us in according to gender.
 
How is it a social construct that I'm highly attracted to a couple of the men that I work with as well as wouldn't mind going out with a few women I know? Where does 'construct' come into that? There certainly wasn't any social design telling me that I should be this way (if anything, all society told me was NOT to be this way).

I don't believe everyone has the potential to be gay. You're either one or the other, by the design of your genes as well as possibly external effects during gestation, and barring trauma during life, you will grow up to be that way, and then will either supress it due to the way you are raised and taught and through fear because of those things, or you will accept it and act on it in a normal way.

There is, under normal circumstances, no 'choice' involved except in whether to accept it as natural and be yourself or to supress it, which is a choice unrelated to the fact of whether one has homosexual feelings or not. I did not CHOOSE to find men attractive, I simply realized one day that I did and always had, and then did not have a desire to supress those feelings. For those that 'choose' to have a gay lifestyle, the choice is not that they will 'become gay' but that they will allow themselves to open up to the feelings that they already have, which had up to that point been supressed for various reasons, mostly due to societal pressure and especially familial pressure. (And again, there are exceptions to everything.)
 


<< So, is it just gay guys you have something against, or lesbians too? >>



I have no problems with either....but there is right and wrong despite what you might feel. If people lived by there emotions and urges the world would be total chaos.
 
There is evidence to support that homosexuality does have a genetic basis. They've done studies on twins, and they found that if one twin was homosexual than more likely than not the other was also. Other studies reflect a higher likelihood of homosexual siblings and relatives, where if one family member is homosexual than there is an increased chance of an uncle or sister also being homosexual.

Sorry that I sound like a textbook right now. In the middle of a genetics essay about gender roles and sexual identities. Remember people, don't hate. Educate.
 
why would humans be the only animal to have homosexual tendencies?


and does anyone know of any documented cases of tribes of natives in pacific islands or african jungles showing lifelong homosexual mates, and not just some odd religious customs?

 


<< and does anyone know of any documented cases of tribes of natives in pacific islands or african jungles showing lifelong homosexual mates, and not just some odd religious customs? >>



Do the FL Keys count?
 


<< and does anyone know of any documented cases of tribes of natives in pacific islands or african jungles showing lifelong homosexual mates, and not just some odd religious customs? >>


Of entire tribes? Of course not - if the whole tribe was gay it would die out pretty damn fast. There are always going to be isolated cases of homosexuality within a group (and these will be small groups, so of course there aren't going to be as many homosexuals as in a larger community). But in many tribes it may just be overlooked or hidden. So there's no real way of documenting it.
 
How is it a social construct that I'm highly attracted to a couple of the men that I work with as well as wouldn't mind going out with a few women I know? Where does 'construct' come into that?

It's the role that is a construct. Outside of our &quot;civilized&quot; society are there life long gays and bisexuals? I would guess not, in which case it would be purely something that is a constructed concept and therefore not something you can be born as.
 
They've done studies on twins, and they found that if one twin was homosexual than more likely than not the other was also.

Well twins and siblings are generally raised in similar enviroments, and in the case of twins they start out with the same genetic blueprint, so that really doesn't mean anything.
 


<< Are gays born gay or do they realize it later in life? >>

Does it really matter? Is it really anyone's business but the individual's?

I personally don't believe that gays are &quot;...born that way&quot;, due to the complete lack of scientific evidence supporting that position. I don't give a sh*t, though, about a person's sexual preference. It's his (or her) own business, and no one else's.
 
You're confusing 'lifelong relationship' and just plain being gay. Just like with straight people, gay people don't necessarily have to have a lifelong relationship.

The discussion is, as far as I know, about whether people are born gay or not, with 'gay' being defined as being attracted to people of the same sex. This has nothing to do with whether or not they have relationships. Therefore, it is completely possible (and in fact true, from personal experience) that people are born gay just as people are born straight.

Aside from that, I also fail to understand what 'role' is constructed. There is no role. I like men, I'm attracted to men, men make get me hot and bothered. So do women. I've been like this since I started thinking about sex in an adult fashion (beyond the pre-pubescent ideas of sex, where I really didn't think about men or women in particular), and so I presume that I've been like this since I was born and that a switch wasn't just suddenly thrown when I hit puberty or a certain age, and I know I didn't 'decide' to be this way one day while I was looking at a dirty magazine.

Outside of a 'civilized' society, you're probably not going to be able to determine anything about homosexuals for many reasons. For all you know, they're killed as soon as they're identified and so they hide completely. Or they simply supress it totally because that's the way the society is. Or they simply DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT even if it's going on. Or they happen rarely in a particular society due to the small size and the admittedly low percentage in our own society ('uncivilized' societies tend to be small because they lack all the things that we have which allow them to grow). And again, we're not talking about whether they have relationships, we're talking only about the fact of whether or not they have homosexual feelings. So simply saying that we don't hear about homosexual relationships outside of our 'civilized' society does NOT prove that there is no such thing as a homosexual in 'uncivilized' societies (or even that other 'civilized' societies don't have them, since they could also radically supress them).
 
There's no way to be certain, but based on the lack of scientific evidence it's safe to assume that people aren't born gay. After all, homosexuality defies one of the most fundamental rules of nature.

When people go through puberty a lot of weird things happen. Without our social concepts of being &quot;gay&quot; or being &quot;bisexual&quot; I think people would just pass through these phases instead of trying to find an identity from it.
 
At the risk of repeating someone. (No, I didn't read all the replies) there was some science guy who set out to prove that being gay, is a genetic thing. he never found anything to support it. With todays teachings in school. it's no wonder more and more are saying they are gay.

Schools are saying, &quot;Try it, and if you like it, then you are gay.&quot;

Not all schools.... but a lot are.
 
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